UFC 202 Event Thread: Diaz v McGregor 2 (Information in OP)

That_Guy

callaway92 wrote: »

Highly unfair. Rogan commentated on it brilliantly.

I don't think it's unfair at all. I'm not slating Rogan but he calls out that people are rocked/hurt like he's on autopilot these days when fighters actually haven't been hurt at all.

Like I say, he's got a lot of sway in what he says but until you watch close fights back without sound, you are being told things that aren't necessarily true and you're not being forced to make up your own mind as to what's happening.

I saw the fight twice and I saw two slightly different fights when I watched it back the second time.

Zero-Cool

McGregor via Submission

Sorry Depp, hadn't seen you already post the Zahabi breakdown. In my defense it's hard to see anything in the amount of shiit posted in the last few pages.

Sofiztikated

Golden Millar: Using your soccer analogy, you do know that goal difference can determine who wins a competition?

And IF there had been the fantastical 6th round, who is to say that it wouldn't have been stopped because Diaz could barely see with the red stuff coming out of his face?

Why not use the scoring system, should a fight go the distance? It's better for the fighters, it's better for the sport.

The last fight, Diaz was the better fighter. He won. This time, McGregor was. He won. I won't make excuses for McGregor, nor Diaz.

cletus

https://youtu.be/XhKOz3OXVPQ

Here, in fact, is everything you need to know about the fight

Firas hasn't a patch on this guy

(Caution language nsfw)

jcd5971

themandan6611 wrote:

re-watched a few times, the last one from the view of Diaz's team with McGregor's corners commentary. Roddy has some knowledge, he was reading the thing amazing, dillon hadn't a clue and wallace was very quiet, when Kavanagh spoke (not often) was always positive and spot on

Where is that footage I'd love to.see it from the corners pov rather than rogan spouting vomit

Lukker-

Connor Wallace and his coach deserve enormous credit for helping develop McGregor's jab. His stand up looks much more rounded with it, especially against south paws and it will stand to him for the rest of his career IMO.

His head movement and evasiveness was the best we've seen from him so far too.

jcd5971

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Hard to take this result seriously when you consider that if the fight went on another round McGregor would have been on the canvas half choked to death. He was a beaten man by the end and the clock saved him from getting a proper pounding thereafter. But this is the problem with MMA and boxing etc. The round and fights have been shortened so much that if you're "technically" the better fighter you can get success from an early flurry and hide and run for the rest of the fight. The paramenters in boxing and other combat sports are always being moved to take the advantage away from the grinder and the guys who fight an honest fight with heart.

The reality is McGregor can't actually go toe to toe with Diaz and come out on top if they are put in a ring and it's a fight to a KO or TKO. It's one thing winning on points if you're clearly the better fighter and the other guy is struggling, but there's little to celebrate from the winning camp if it's a close call and the tide is going against you. Disingenuous really.

riiight

Call Me Jimmy

Depp wrote: »

love firas' breakdowns, great watch if youve a few minutes spare!

Interesting to see him say what i was thinking in regard to some people saying its rigged. Obviously it wasn't rigged in the traditional sense, but the knowledge that he gets another pay multi million dollar pay day if he loses could have had an effect on him. What do people think?

Swashbuckler

Call Me Jimmy wrote:

Interesting to see him say what i was thinking in regard to some people saying its rigged. Obviously it wasn't rigged in the traditional sense, but the knowledge that he gets another pay multi million dollar pay day if he loses could have had an effect on him. What do people think?

Nope nope nope nope nope.

Frank Bullitt

Lukker- wrote: »

Connor Wallace and his coach deserve enormous credit for helping develop McGregor's jab. His stand up looks much more rounded with it, especially against south paws and it will stand to him for the rest of his career IMO.

His head movement and evasiveness was the best we've seen from him so far too.

Was just thinking that as well. That was the best version of Conor by far, he was very refined with his striking, and he took the 3rd round shots really well and didn't panic like the first fight.

"You win or you learn", never a truer word spoken.

That_Guy

Cody Garbrandt on the MMA Hour absolutely selling the shít out of a fight with Dominick Cruz.

"He (Cruz) doesn't engage. He's just a bitch. Reebok should give him some trainers because all he does his run"

Muahahaha

Diaz via Decision

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Well no, the longer a fight goes on the more Diaz gets on top. The fact McGregor needs specialised set tactics and Diaz will just goes out and fights is telling i.e McGregor can't go and beat him straight up. Kind of goes against all the talking McGregor does about being able to beat any man at any time. Would he go for another 5 rounds with Diaz today? Doubtful. Would Diaz be ready to rock? Certainly

Jaysis Ive never heard so much tripe and we have had a lot on here the last few days. What you are essentially saying is that your football team lost in 90 minutes but hey, if we had extra time and penalties we would have won.

Your logic is completely warped. Conor prepared for a 5 round fight as did Nate. Both knew that they had to get the job done in 5 or not at all.

TBH you sound like someone who has lost a huge wedge of cash on this fight and you are now in the denial stage of your loss. You are actually deluding yourself for all here to see.

If you are actually serious and not deluded why dont you post up a round by round analysis of the fight and show people why you think Diaz won? That would be the thing to do, not go around saying "but if Diaz had more time, but, but, but...." :rolleyes:

ziggyman17

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Fair enough. I based my analysis on the fact that after all McGregors talk that he'd actually go for it toe to toe, like he always claims he would anytime and anywhere. I hadn't factored in he'd spent half the fight running scared and clock watching, so I apologise. I was wrong that I ever thought McGregor had the balls to go toe to toe with Diaz for 5 rounds

lertsnim

cletus wrote: »

Do you fight yourself? If so do you employ similar stratagies to the ones you've outlined in this thread?

They seem a bit brain damaged so maybe they do

That_Guy

So I said, Conor just ran away the whole fight...

CSF

This is not a poster you want to be replying to.

That_Guy

Vince McGregor....

https://twitter.com/SandhuMMA/status/767749929569845248/video/1

Outlaw Pete

McGregor via Submission

Lukker- wrote: »

His head movement and evasiveness was the best we've seen from him so far too.

For sure, but this occasion would be a close second though.

DeVore

Diaz via Decision

cletus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/XhKOz3OXVPQ

Here, in fact, is everything you need to know about the fight

Firas hasn't a patch on this guy

(Caution language nsfw)

Hahaha, that's hilarious...

TimRiggins

McGregor via Submission

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Sorry Depp, hadn't seen you already post the Zahabi breakdown. In my defense it's hard to see anything in the amount of shiit posted in the last few pages.

Just wait until Brendan Schaub puts out his post fight analysis.

"I'm in the bar, wearing a hoody, looking like a cutie".

mailburner

McGregor via Submission

these back in style now?

Zero-Cool

McGregor via Submission

TimRiggins wrote: »

Just wait until Brendan Schaub puts out his post fight analysis.

"I'm in the bar, wearing a hoody, looking like a cutie".

:pac: I actually read that in schaub's voice

TimRiggins

McGregor via Submission

One thing that really impressed me about McGregor, amongst other things was McGregor's work in the clinch. I thought he actually got the better of Nate there and a few times he reversed Nate and then pushed him up against the fence. Even when he was very tired in the latter rounds he was still very strong there.

StringerBell

Diaz via Decision

I don't think he got the better of the clinch, but he was very good in it and was able to use to it to recover a little also, some fantastic work slipping and rolling with the punches, got in some nice elbows and strikes himself in return too. Diaz controlled them but he held his own very well, Danis clearly did good work with him.

jigglypuffstuff

Diaz via Decision

I dont know why so many are arguing that Nate won this fight??

Id the first to admit that I scored it as a draw, but seriously in contests as close as this one it could easily have been tipped in one fighters favour rather than the draw. Two judges seen it that way so it is what it is. Watching back over it, its totally understandable how they gave it to Conor..

Let Conor have his win..there isnt a person alive that can deny him after that performance...Nate took Conor out in the first fight, Conor worked his way back and showed that he fought smarter than Nate in this one and got the win. It makes going forward more interesting too. Its good for business, good for fighters, good for fans..all in all its the best result we could have asked for

I love watching Nate Diaz, hes probably the most entertaining in ring fighter ive watched, just a pure animal, nothing less. He humbled Conor bigtime last March and he's finally getting the money and respect he deserves, but this one was not his

This fight was McGregors, and if it wasnt that...it was a draw..either way Nate Diaz didnt win this fight...and this is coming from a person who wrote Conor off in this fight. Newfound respect for him after that war, always liked him, but he was a different man in that ring this time

Lets hope Conor fights Alvarez next, wins the 155 strap and we get Diaz V McGregor 3 for the 155 belt :cool:

eddie73

It is a pity that fighters grow older and have to retire. I would watch these 2 fight forever. There is no other game out there, I think that the UFC got extremely lucky to get Diaz by default rather than by choice to fight Conor due to fighters dropping out.

The fight was a roller coaster. Diaz was knocked down 3 times. The bell saved Conor twice. I still think Conor just shaded it. God help whoever he fights in 155 or 145 now. Delighted that Diaz is getting well paid as he brings the word competition to a whole new level.

Mellor

McGregor via Submission

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Ye 10 seconds at the end of the fight where he had become dead on his feet, and prior to that was trying to run away and run down the clock with the cage holding him up. Diaz was put down 3 times and was still ready for more. Was Conor?

Prior to that takedown, Conor was winning the 5th round too.
Stats show he landed more significant strikes, then the burst at the end level Diaz up a bit.
The only round that was clear for Diaz was the 3rd.
With the 1st and 4th being clear for Conor.

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Fair enough. I based my analysis on the fact that after all McGregors talk that he'd actually go for it toe to toe, like he always claims he would anytime and anywhere. I hadn't factored in he'd spent half the fight running scared and clock watching, so I apologise. I was wrong that I ever thought McGregor had the balls to go toe to toe with Diaz for 5 rounds

You said he couldn't beat him with any tactics. You were wrong.

This idea that he ran away is retarded. The ducked out and re-centred a few times when he was against the cage. He was a few seconds of the fight, and shouldn't prevent a better striker from beat anyone. Part of being a good striker is distance control and creating angles.

Mellor

McGregor via Submission

Also, I repeated questioned the Dizs bro triathlete-cardio-for-days mantra before the fight.
Running for an hour or more is easy once you get your pace right. You can't control the pace in the fight.
He's cardio has always great in 3 round fights. He had only ever been in one 5 round fight. Diaz was visibly tired in the championship rounds. The notion that he can forever is evidently not true. Good cardio absolutely, but endless, not a hope.

StringerBell

Diaz via Decision

pone2012 wrote: »

I dont know why so many are arguing that Nate won this fight??

How many do you see doing that?

Outlaw Pete

McGregor via Submission

The Golden Miller wrote: »

..no matter what McGregor can throw at Diaz he'll never really be able to beat him.

Ha.

What you fail to appreciate is that Conor fought for five rounds. He didn't try to KO Diaz. It's clear he never loaded up on punches and each time he put Nate on his ass he didn't try and finish him with GnP. Just wanted him to get back to his feet so he could put his plan back in action, which is precisely what he did.

I would suggest that if we do get a third fight, Conor will fight somewhere between the two approaches. I don't think he would be as reckless as the first fight, but he won't fight to go five again either (he'll still be prepared to though) but at 155 I'd say Conor will absolutely fancy his chances of knocking Nate out and will therefore try and do so, especially now given that he has been accused of running etc.

I wasn't really feeling the idea of a trilogy fight before this fight tbh but now I for sure am. Would love to see Conor knock Nate out. It's all that's missing now and the only thing that will shut certain people up, unfortunately.