UFC 202 Event Thread: Diaz v McGregor 2 (Information in OP)

jimmay

Does anyone have a UFC fightclub presale code they're not using for 202? Much appreciated.

Nathan G

Paully D wrote: »

Gunnar would slot in nicely.

That would make for an interesting fight

m.j.w

jimmay wrote: »

Does anyone have a UFC fightclub presale code they're not using for 202? Much appreciated.

Im looking for one myself. Have any luck getting one?

Thegalwayman

Impossible to get tickets at any price on the presale

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jmx009

Paully D wrote: »

JokerD wrote: »

Dong Hyun Kim out of Magny fight with an injury. New opponent being looked for.

Gunnar would slot in nicely.

Interesting fight but i would say it will be a tough one for Gunnar.

shrewdness

Magny now facing Lorenz Larkin.

JokerD

Thegalwayman wrote: »

Impossible to get tickets at any price on the presale

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I had no luck on PC but iPad worked. Phone has been good before also.

Helpneeded86

First in for the code gets it.

Devastator

McGregor via Submission

Remember a few months ago when we were talking about the likehood(or sheer wishing) ticket prices would go down with a move into the new bigger arena? Well weren't we fcuking gullible :rolleyes::D

I'm not going but had a little nosey to compare prices.
194 cost me $290
196 cost me $335
both 2nd cheapest ticket options as we know the cheapest are never there!

202, again 2nd cheapest tickets would cost me $390 :eek::mad:
* all above prices inc booking fee


If anyone needs a code PM me, be lubed up and ready :pac:

JokerD

Devastator wrote: »

Remember a few months ago when we were talking about the likehood(or sheer wishing) ticket prices would go down with a move into the new bigger arena? Well weren't we fcuking gullible :rolleyes::D

I'm not going but had a little nosey to compare prices.
194 cost me $290
196 cost me $335
both 2nd cheapest ticket options as we know the cheapest are never there!

202, again 2nd cheapest tickets would cost me $390 :eek::mad:
* all above prices inc booking fee


If anyone needs a code PM me, be lubed up and ready :pac:

Supply and demand people will say but it's ridiculous pricing. Last week the cheapest ticket for 202 was $205....today it was $215. The jump to the next price bracket is then $365 which is still upper tier. I believe the cheapest ticket for this is more expensive than the cheapest for 200.

It's out of hand for sure imo. Listening to the fans at 200 I couldn't believe the booing of DC and also how many free seats there was early on(I know this is common) I wonder how many fans are just being priced out of attending. Is there a large portion of these audiences just there for the spectacle and not the skill?

Devastator

McGregor via Submission

JokerD wrote: »

Supply and demand people will say but it's ridiculous pricing. Last week the cheapest ticket for 202 was $205....today it was $215. The jump to the next price bracket is then $365 which is still upper tier. I believe the cheapest ticket for this is more expensive than the cheapest for 200.

It's out of hand for sure imo. Listening to the fans at 200 I couldn't believe the booing of DC and also how many free seats there was early on(I know this is common) I wonder how many fans are just being priced out of attending. Is there a large portion of these audiences just there for the spectacle and not the skill?

Well theres about 4000 extra seats in this new venue over the MGM. I don't think demand is that great. Yes he was a late notice replacement, but California isn't that far from Vegas for fans to travel is it? On morning of 196 there were LOADS of tickets still available. I had to goto ticket office to collect my ticket and got talking to load of lads just queuing to buy them, when they got to the desk the girl was like "theres seats everywhere, what kinda area do you want to sit in" while pointing to seating plan :pac:

4th McGregor fight in Vegas in 13 months, its a lot for us to pay for. There was considerable difference I noticed between 194 & 196, and even lads saying at 194 was a good bit quieter than 189.

You may have a point about the spectacle. Quite a few cards now when watching on tv its really empty during the pre lims, whereas not so long ago(2yrs?) the arenas were packed out from early. Thankfully the Rotterdam event wasn;t like this and was packed by time I arrived(during 2nd fight)

JokerD

Devastator wrote: »

Well theres about 4000 extra seats in this new venue over the MGM. I don't think demand is that great. Yes he was a late notice replacement, but California isn't that far from Vegas for fans to travel is it? On morning of 196 there were LOADS of tickets still available. I had to goto ticket office to collect my ticket and got talking to load of lads just queuing to buy them, when they got to the desk the girl was like "theres seats everywhere, what kinda area do you want to sit in" while pointing to seating plan :pac:

4th McGregor fight in Vegas in 13 months, its a lot for us to pay for. There was considerable difference I noticed between 194 & 196, and even lads saying at 194 was a good bit quieter than 189.

You may have a point about the spectacle. Quite a few cards now when watching on tv its really empty during the pre lims, whereas not so long ago(2yrs?) the arenas were packed out from early. Thankfully the Rotterdam event wasn;t like this and was packed by time I arrived(during 2nd fight)

There's some great value events about, it's just the price of following McGregor. in Vegas isn't cheap and it's getting worse.

Mellor

McGregor via Submission

Devastator wrote: »

202, again 2nd cheapest tickets would cost me $390 :eek::mad:
* all above prices inc booking fee

I always assumed the cheapest seats in the MGM are a few restricted view seats. But maybe not.
I had assume that the cheapest tierin the arena would actually exist

Devastator

McGregor via Submission

JokerD wrote: »

There's some great value events about, it's just the price of following McGregor. in Vegas isn't cheap and it's getting worse.

Almost impossible if you're converting sterling now after the eu vote :mad:

Mellor wrote: »

I always assumed the cheapest seats in the MGM are a few restricted view seats. But maybe not.
I had assume that the cheapest tierin the arena would actually exist

Doubt there are restricted views in the MGM the way its designed.
IF there are actually cheapest tier tickets available it literally must be only the very back row. For 196 it gave me 3rd row from back for $330, although I got that refunded and got a resale seat 7 rows off the floor which was eyelevel with Octagon

martyos121

McGregor via Submission

Devastator wrote: »

Doubt there are restricted views in the MGM the way its designed.
IF there are actually cheapest tier tickets available it literally must be only the very back row. For 196 it gave me 3rd row from back for $330, although I got that refunded and got a resale seat 7 rows off the floor which was eyelevel with Octagon

If there were cheapest tier tickets, they weren't even back row for 194. I was second from the back and got talking to the lad behind me in the last row. He paid the same as me. It's a racket, but it's still worth it for what you get out of it IMO.

Devastator

McGregor via Submission

martyos121 wrote: »

If there were cheapest tier tickets, they weren't even back row for 194. I was second from the back and got talking to the lad behind me in the last row. He paid the same as me. It's a racket, but it's still worth it for what you get out of it IMO.

Well thats what I had presumed but didn't know for certian. Thanks for confirming it.

Mellor

McGregor via Submission

Devastator wrote: »

Doubt there are restricted views in the MGM the way its designed.
IF there are actually cheapest tier tickets available it literally must be only the very back row. For 196 it gave me 3rd row from back for $330, although I got that refunded and got a resale seat 7 rows off the floor which was eyelevel with Octagon

I was thinking behind the screens or something. Can't remember if they blocked any view. Not the back row anyway

Carroller

Mellor wrote: »

I always assumed the cheapest seats in the MGM are a few restricted view seats. But maybe not.
I had assume that the cheapest tierin the arena would actually exist

I was there for Lawlor v Condit. Cheapest ticket was $115 and was behind the screen with more than 1/4 of the octagon cut off. Luckily it wasnt near full we could move down to lower tier for a great view.

That was of course the MGM and not the T-Mobile

babymanval

Will Conor walkout by the champion walk or the fighter walkway at 202?

Gamebred

Not sure if its the norm but the prices for this looking at the map on ticket master are extortionate,

10K for ringside gtfo imagine paying that,mid tier octagon level going for 850 dollars pmsl.

Deadst4r

McGregor via Submission

Gamebred wrote: »

Not sure if its the norm but the prices for this looking at the map on ticket master are extortionate,

10K for ringside gtfo imagine paying that,mid tier octagon level going for 850 dollars pmsl.

People thought the prices would drop when the fights moved to T mobile as the capacity is bigger than MGM. :ermm:

ardinn

Deadst4r wrote: »

People thought the prices would drop when the fights moved to T mobile as the capacity is bigger than MGM. :ermm:

Sure they have to let conor break another gate record.


Duh!!

Billy86

Just took a check on the odds out of interest, and I was shocked to see McGregor is the favourite.

I like both of them, would prefer McGregor to win, but I have a bad feeling Nate is going to just bounce him around the place at will to be honest. The size difference, his ability to take so many strikes, and the ground difference are just too much.

qwabercd

ardinn wrote: »

Sure they have to let conor break another gate record.


Duh!!

Yeah...because they're pricing it that way just so Conor can break a record and not to line their own pockets..

Gamebred

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialCSF/videos/1130761847012052/


That boxer has released an edited version of him looking the better now Ha


Eating jabs for fun in this one Conor but not a beatdown, I think people need to realise stand up dynamics in mma and boxing are 2 different worlds.

Subcomandante Marcos

Diaz via Submission

Gamebred wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialCSF/videos/1130761847012052/


That boxer has released an edited version of him looking the better now Ha


Eating jabs for fun in this one Conor but not a beatdown, I think people need to realise stand up dynamics in mma and boxing are 2 different worlds.

The difference in the hand speed in insane. Conor doesn't throw or know how to deal with a good jab and CVB has a wicked pop to his jabs, they are super quick.

CatFromHue

I'm not sure if that video release has anything to do with the SA chap. Looks like that website just put up the original video that was doing the rounds a while ago.

wonderfullife

McGregor via Submission

Billy86 wrote: »

Just took a check on the odds out of interest, and I was shocked to see McGregor is the favourite.

I like both of them, would prefer McGregor to win, but I have a bad feeling Nate is going to just bounce him around the place at will to be honest. The size difference, his ability to take so many strikes, and the ground difference are just too much.

TL;dr - Conor to win in comprehensive manner.

There's a number of ways to break down this fight.

The current odds are 4/5 McG, Evens Nate.

Now, IMO, if Conor was willing to fight a boring fight he'd be something like 1/10 favourite.

His movement, footwork, speed, agility are all light years ahead of Nate.

He could, very easily, fight a boring decision win by utilising those tools - focusing on legs kicks, counter-punching, circling and staying largely out of the pocket.

Given he has built his name and career on bravado, he won't do this.

So we're down to what he WILL do.

He will move forward, he will be the aggressor, he will take the fight to Nate, he will keep his hands low as normal.

And for most of the first fight even that was dominating.

He dominated Round 1, and was well on top Round 2.

Over-confidence and then panic set in.

Even after Nate landed the combo, which clearly wobbled Conor, he regained enough composure against the fence.

He could have easily seen the round out by circling and getting on his bike.

Alas, as he said, he was knackered and panicked.

As for the ground game, i really don't think you can accurately say Nate is infinitely superior on the ground.

For sure, Nate is a black belt and Conor is a brown belt, so it's fair to assume he's superior. On the other hand, both Gunnar Nelson and Dillon Danis have said Conor is very competitive against black belts.

Also in Round 1, Conor won the only jiu jitsu exchange when he used the X-Guard sweep to assume top control.

You can't really read much into what happened at the end of Round 2 because he was running on fumes.

The biggest factor in the first fight was the weight.

When Conor signed for Nate 11 days from the fight, he weighed 161lbs the day he signed (multiple sources).

So he had 11 days to GAIN 9 lbs to make championship weight of 170. Even then he weighed in at 168.

Every fight of his career up to Nate was the complete opposite. Fight week was about cardio, minimal food, shedding weight etc.

It can't be easy for any fighter to eat up to a weight after going through 75% of a weight cut. Mentally, as much as anything, you have to switch focus completely from eating little/running a lot to eating a lot/running a little. That's a very unique circumstance for a fighter and one will never be repeated.

The circumstances this time are wildly different.

He has 3 months to make weight in a balanced way while maintaining his cardio. Working closely with nutrionists as good as George Lockhart, working with the Irish Strength Institute guys, working with specialists.

Remember, his VO2 Max levels circa 2014 were incredible and comparable to top soccer players.

That went by the wayside for the Nate fight due to the crash-weight gain.

He will likely tip the scales at 168 again but it'll be a vastly different way of getting there.

Instead of stuffing his face with cheesecake, steaks and donuts he's having 3 months of proper nutrition and calories to ensure he makes weight with his cardio high.

Cardio, IMO, was the main factor in the first fight.

Conor is a high output fighter, if you take out someone like Diego Sanchez from the mix, he's amongst the highest output fighters of all time.

He comes out hard and fast.

I believe he can maintain that output for 5 rounds, if necessary, when he makes the weight correctly.

And, if Coach Kavanagh is to be believed, his current VO2 Max is higher currently than ever. Which is a scary thought.

Nate has very little to offer. He's not a KO-artist. He's taller, for sure, has the reach, for sure, but that wasn't enough for most of the first fight. It's also not something that stopped Conor before, people tend to forget how tall Max Holloway is and Conor comfortably dealt with the height/reach there when his cardio was good.

Nate's not a wrestler and most of his UFC submissions are from gassed fighters taking Nate to the ground. I don't see him even getting Conor to the ground once in the next fight. Conors takedown defences are slated due to the Mendes fight but being realistic that was because he gave Mendes zero respect.

I feel Conor is the vastly superior fighter and will thoroughly dominate the rematch from start to end now he has time to make weight professionally.

As for his ability to absorb strikes...he has a granite chin. The combo Nate landed would drop most lightweights and even welterweights. He landed absolutely flush on the chin and Conor took 2 steps back, a deep breath and threw back.

It's a fight so anything can happen....but for gambling purposes i'd put the house and the grannys house on Conor to win. He's too fast, too mobile, too agile and even given the horrendous buildup to the first fight, he had Nate busted up and hitting fresh air with most of his offence.

Those odds are going to end up looking ridiculous once he does win.

Subcomandante Marcos

Diaz via Submission

Jesus silly season has begun. The new king fanboy has arrived.

wonderfullife

McGregor via Submission

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Jesus silly season has begun. The new king fanboy has arrived.

Constructive......

How about replying as to the merits of the post?

What part of the analysis do you disagree with?