The Meeting Point; new Catholic sex education course

dr.fuzzenstein

Absolam wrote: »

Nope, I just don't think it's intruding in your bedroom. Still, as you go about you activities, if you do notice an intruder, don't wait until confession to report it, eh? Better safe than sorry.

So you're saying the catholic church does not expect certain behaviors? What is their stance on masturbation, birth control and gay sex?

Absolam

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

So you're saying the catholic church does not expect certain behaviors? What is their stance on masturbation, birth control and gay sex?

I don't believe I said any such thing. Are you a Catholic?

dr.fuzzenstein

Absolam wrote: »

I don't believe I said any such thing. Are you a Catholic?

It's very hard to see what you are saying, you parry and obfuscate without having a clear point. One could almost be excused for thinking that you are making obtuse remarks in an effort to tie anyone who is debating you into logical knots without having any clear agenda or aim in your discussion. If you don't have a point, it is of course pointless debating you, which is of course your point. You "win" in that case, though exactly what it is you win, no one can say. I have a clear stance and you have a lot of dodging and diving.
My point: The catholic church shouldn't be teaching sex education for the exact same reason that Joseph Stalin should not teach a class on civil rights.
What is yours?

Absolam

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It's very hard to see what you are saying, you parry and obfuscate without having a clear point.

Let me try again then?

1) I don't believe I said the Catholic Church does not expect certain behaviors.

2) Are you a Catholic?

If either of those aren't clear still, maybe you can point out the bits you have difficulty with and I'll try to break them down.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

One could almost be excused for thinking that you are making obtuse remarks in an effort to tie anyone who is debating you into logical knots without having any clear agenda or aim in your discussion.

Well, to obviate such an excuse, as I've shown, I'm happy to break down such points as are causing you difficulty; you need only specify where you're having difficulty. If it helps though, I don't have an agenda; if you go back to the beginning you'll find I created the thread for the discussion of the new Catholic sex ed course called the Meeting Point so that it wouldn't derail the School Patronage thread. If you find the discussion a bit aimless, it might just be that what Catholics teach Catholics isn't terribly relevant to atheists and agnostics, so it may be there's a bit of random potshots and virtue signalling at religion generally going on rather than any agendas being pushed particularly. Or pushed particularly well, anyway.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

If you don't have a point, it is of course pointless debating you, which is of course your point. You "win" in that case, though exactly what it is you win, no one can say. I have a clear stance and you have a lot of dodging and diving.

In fairness, I didn't invite you to debate my point, and it's your point that it's pointless debating me, not mine. I certainly never claimed to be looking to "win" anything. You may think you have a clear stance, but so far that stance seems to have nothing to do with the Meeting Point, and a lot to do with the fact that you think someone is watching you while you indulge yourself.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

My point: The catholic church shouldn't be teaching sex education for the exact same reason that Joseph Stalin should not teach a class on civil rights. What is yours?

Well, I'd say Joseph Stalin is dead, and the Catholic Church can offer to teach anything it likes to anyone who wants to listen. But more to the point of the thread, I'd say a Catholic perspective on the morality of sexual activity is relevent and useful to anyone who wishes to be a morally upstanding Catholic, and it's good that there are Catholics prepared to make the effort to help other Catholics achieve their goals, as well as discuss issues with children that the children are likely to be thinking about anyway. I'll applaud equally any group of atheists (or agnostics) who put the time and effort into developing an equivalent moral education programme for people who want their children to receive it in schools with an atheist (or agnostic) ethos, and I'll be happy to discuss it here (and in the other forum) if they do.

dr.fuzzenstein

Finally some colors on the mast.
To which it reiterate my point that I'd rather not the Catholic church teach anything about sex to anyone, at least not without a disclaimer. Some gullibly people could wind up taking it seriously.

Absolam

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Finally some colors on the mast.
To which it reiterate my point that I'd rather not the Catholic church teach anything about sex to anyone, at least not without a disclaimer. Some gullibly people could wind up taking it seriously.

I imagine we all value your commitment to freedom of speech. In the meantime I'm sure they're as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours

dr.fuzzenstein

Absolam wrote: »

I imagine we all value your commitment to freedom of speech. In the meantime I'm sure they're as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I do disagree with the notion that we have to respect said opinion. I believe it is important to make people aware of other people's agenda, which may be clothed in "genuine concern".

Hotblack Desiato

Nobody would care too much about the RCC's opinion on this issue if they didn't have a state-funded platform to spout it in the vast majority of our schools. That's the real problem.

Absolam

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Nobody would care too much about the RCC's opinion on this issue if they didn't have a state-funded platform to spout it in the vast majority of our schools. That's the real problem.

I bet those who want to hear it (or want their children to hear it) would care. But it's not like that platform isn't available to anyone who wants to make the same effort, and has sufficient support. In fact, isn't that the point of having State funded education rather than State education; it's up to parents to decide on the moral instruction for their children rather than the State.

Absolam

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I do disagree with the notion that we have to respect said opinion. I believe it is important to make people aware of other people's agenda, which may be clothed in "genuine concern".

Well, I can't say I think you need to respect their opinion, only their freedom to express it, which is just the same as yours. I've no doubt they'd have their own reservations about your opinions and agenda, even clothed as they are in your genuine concern.

gctest50

Absolam wrote: »

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Well, I'd say Joseph Stalin is dead, and the Catholic Church can offer to teach anything it likes to anyone who wants to listen. But more to the point of the thread, I'd say a Catholic perspective on the morality of sexual activity is relevent and useful to anyone who wishes to be a morally upstanding Catholic, and it's good that there are Catholics prepared to make the effort to help other Catholics achieve their goals, as well as discuss issues with children that the children are likely to be thinking about anyway. I'll applaud equally any group of atheists (or agnostics) who put the time and effort into developing an equivalent moral education programme for people who want their children to receive it in schools with an atheist (or agnostic) ethos, and I'll be happy to discuss it here (and in the other forum) if they do.

Absolam wrote: »

Catholic Church can offer to teach anything it likes to anyone who wants to listen.....

Worst shower to teach anything near sex education to anyone - all that letting on to live the vita apostolica while feeling each others bollocks.


And when they indulge in what seems to be their other favorite pastime and get caught out, they just drag it on and on like this brave bloke points out :

Absolam

gctest50 wrote: »

Worst shower to teach anything near sex education to anyone - all that letting on to live the vita apostolica while feeling each others bollocks. And when they indulge in what seems to be their other favorite pastime and get caught out, they just drag it on and on like this brave bloke points out :

This certainly seems to be the thread for juicy language I think we're all aware of the scandals to be fair, and those who want to take the Church up on the offer regardless probably feel justified in doing so. Those who don't, equally so, I imagine.

gctest50

Absolam wrote: »

This certainly seems to be the thread for juicy language I think we're all aware of the scandals to be fair, and those who want to take the Church up on the offer regardless probably feel justified in doing so. Those who don't, equally so, I imagine.

Oh the juicy language oh its the thread for it, it is, it is

Dodging and diving again



Worst shower to teach anything near sex education to anyone

Cabaal

robindch wrote: »

That's all that all religions want to do - to acquire more believers,

Not just believers but also land, money etc
Its not just about the people, its also about wealth and assets

Cabaal

Whats worrying about that last video is the person beside the camera man appears to be laughing,
The guy is **** while kids are singing, thats f*cked up

Absolam

gctest50 wrote: »

Oh the juicy language oh its the thread for it, it is, it is Dodging and diving again Worst shower to teach anything near sex education to anyone

I get the impression you feel you've something to get off your chest? Are you perhaps unhappy with the behavior of some members of the Church? It's just a wild guess you understand. How does it involve the new Meeting Point course, as a matter of interest, sort of thing?

Absolam

Cabaal wrote: »

Not just believers but also land, money etc
Its not just about the people, its also about wealth and assets

And there's no doubt at all that The Meeting Point illustrates that perfectly... in some fashion?

Bristolscale7

Has someone already pointed out that "The Meeting Point" sounds like a casual sex app?

Absolam

Recedite did allude to googling it leading him to a dating website, if that helps? Though in fairness he didn't make a case for how the allusion was constructive, or that it in any way added useful information to the forum. But I think you thanked the post all the same

dr.fuzzenstein

I like the way your sig sums up the bible

Absolam

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I like the way your sig sums up the bible

That's very kind of you I'm sure, and it's nice that you're trying to add something to the conversation.

robindch

That Vatican-sponsored course on sex, btw, is available from here:

http://www.educazioneaffettiva.org/first-unit/?lang=en

A quick thirty seconds look suggests that it's beyond useless, not to mention a little creepy in places.

silverharp

robindch wrote: »

That Vatican-sponsored course on sex, btw, is available from here:

http://www.educazioneaffettiva.org/first-unit/?lang=en

A quick thirty seconds look suggests that it's beyond useless, not to mention a little creepy in places.

I had a flick though some of the tabs, it just seemed very obtuse , Im pretty sure the "youtube" generation would just be wondering "get to the bloody point!"

recedite

The camping pics on the website seem to be some sort of analogy for the course itself.
The group of youths start off with their tents in good working order, but gradually they become more and more confused, until by the time they have completed the final "6th Unit" they are hopelessly lost

looksee

You would have to feel sorry for the teacher given the job of teaching that course. It probably has issues with the translation, but the number of double entendres just waiting to be found by the students would reduce the class to hysteria in no time.

robindch

recedite wrote: »

The camping pics on the website seem to be some sort of analogy for the course itself.

Not so sure - there seem to be two girls and two tents but three guys - and four out of the five are wearing rubber protection.

There's a message right there, but it doesn't look all that catholic to me - a project for "sexual formation" indeed!