AMD Zen Discussion Thread

DVD-Lots

So with the price of the 2600 down to £160 on Amazon at the moment, is it worth shelling out nearly double that for the 2700x if I am pairing with a GTX 1070? Currently only have a 1080p monitor but will be looking to upgrade to 1440 in the next few months. I'm not a hardcore gamer and looking more at VR than AAA+ games.

Cuddlesworth

DVD-Lots wrote: »

So with the price of the 2600 down to £160 on Amazon at the moment, is it worth shelling out nearly double that for the 2700x if I am pairing with a GTX 1070? Currently only have a 1080p monitor but will be looking to upgrade to 1440 in the next few months. I'm not a hardcore gamer and looking more at VR than AAA+ games.

If its a choice between a 2700x or a 2600 with a manual overclock for gaming at 1440p, I'd buy the 2600 hands down.

If I was trying to buy within a budget looking to keep the cpu for 3 years, I would buy the 2600 and get a much better graphics card with the spare cash.

If I was simply trying to purchase a cpu for gaming, I would get a 8700K and OC it.

K.O.Kiki

https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8085/11/28-ddr4-memory-kits-comparison-test-the-best-memory-for-coffee-lake-and-ryzen-compatibility-with-amd-ryzen

Good info (especially the RAM compatibility page).

Mr Crispy

Nice one. I found this B-Die finder tool useful as well.

K.O.Kiki

Intel reveals 28-core CPU, runs on LGA3647.

AMD reveals 32-core Threadripper 2, sticks to X399 chipset.

Slutmonkey57b

That's a pretty pathetic PR reveal from Intel there. Phase change cooling on a part pulling almost 2kw system power?

Subcomandante Marcos

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

That's a pretty pathetic PR reveal from Intel there. Phase change cooling on a part pulling almost 2kw system power?

And a cpu that can't be used in any commercial system.

AMD stealing all the thunder so far in 2018.

Cuddlesworth

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

That's a pretty pathetic PR reveal from Intel there. Phase change cooling on a part pulling almost 2kw system power?

Lets not go crazy, it was a 28 core hex channel chip running at 5ghz. That's damm impressive.

Still going to get mauled in the core war cause Intel don't have the glue...

SickBoy

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Lets not go crazy, it was a 28 core hex channel chip running at 5ghz. That's damm impressive.

Still going to get mauled in the core war cause Intel don't have the glue...

It's bull**** and Intel have been called out on it.

Cuddlesworth

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm aware of the water chiller. And the VRM with like 8 high speed fans on it. And the fact it would trip breakers in my house with the power it was sucking down. But a 28 core CPU running at 5ghz all core is impressive.

The end chip is going to be worse then threadripper though. Which is why Intel had to go to great lengths to show anything that was performing better then AMD's new chip could. Because OC'ing it to a extreme is the only thing it does better.

jebidiah

Friend is looking to build a machine with a ryzen 7 2700 and a B350 motherboard.

Apart from the compatibility with Bios versions, is there a massive benefit in the 450/470 boards with the 2700?

Would he be better off with a 1700?

Xenoronin

The 450/470 range of motherboards only matters for XFR to my knowledge. This is the automatic overclocking feature of the CPUs with the suffix of X, i.e. 2700X. I believe they also may have better power delivery which might aid in overclocking. This is from memory so take it with a pinch of salt.

jebidiah

Processor (CPU) AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Eight Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.35GHz/20MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard ASUS® PRIME B350M-A (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM) 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card 8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1070 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk 10TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA PRO 3.5", 7200 RPM 256MB CACHE
Power Supply CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler


His current build from a pc building service in Ireland will cost €1660 (for business so he wants to buy it there)

From my knowledge he needs to up the memory speed to 3000MHz. And maybe based on Xenoronin's reply drop the x and just get a 2700?

L

Xenoronin wrote: »

The 450/470 range of motherboards only matters for XFR to my knowledge. This is the automatic overclocking feature of the CPUs with the suffix of X, i.e. 2700X. I believe they also may have better power delivery which might aid in overclocking. This is from memory so take it with a pinch of salt.

There's also StoreMI which seems pretty cool.

K.O.Kiki

jebidiah wrote: »

Processor (CPU) AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Eight Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.35GHz/20MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard ASUS® PRIME B350M-A (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM) 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card 8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1070 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk 10TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA PRO 3.5", 7200 RPM 256MB CACHE
Power Supply CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler


His current build from a pc building service in Ireland will cost €1660 (for business so he wants to buy it there)

From my knowledge he needs to up the memory speed to 3000MHz. And maybe based on Xenoronin's reply drop the x and just get a 2700?

What site? Those prices are relatively competitive but most Irish PC sites are just buying their stuff from UK/Europe anyway.

If he self-built he could afford X470 motherboard & 1070 Ti.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CZGRV6

Also, 10Tb HDD but no SSD??

I'd drop to Ryzen 2700 just to be able to budget SSD & X470.

Lukker-

jebidiah wrote: »

Friend is looking to build a machine with a ryzen 7 2700 and a B350 motherboard.

Apart from the compatibility with Bios versions, is there a massive benefit in the 450/470 boards with the 2700?

Would he be better off with a 1700?

XFR 2 can give a pretty good boost in overclocking, and kind of negates the need for all core OC'ing.

jebidiah

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

What site? Those prices are relatively competitive but most Irish PC sites are just buying their stuff from UK/Europe anyway.

If he self-built he could afford X470 motherboard & 1070 Ti.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CZGRV6

Also, 10Tb HDD but no SSD??

I'd drop to Ryzen 2700 just to be able to budget SSD & X470.

Thanks for your reply. First off he is buying it to replace his current work/editing machine which is quite dated. So he has an SSD to carry over and some other storage too.

Second, its from pc specialist in the uk.

Third he wants to be able to source things ex vat as it is for his own business. Is there a site that makes that easier? He is registered AFAIK (I dont know how it works)

I prefer the list you have sent, but he wants to go M-ITX for this build. The only M-ITX option is a 175 quid rgb board from Asus which I dont think he needs...:pac:

Would an x370 board be a good option? Even an m-itx b350?

Edit, he doesn't "want" to overclock (ill change his mind) in which case is the stock cooler going to be ok for video editing? To save for another part over say a noctua?

Also edit, wrong thread?

Lukker-

jebidiah wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. First off he is buying it to replace his current work/editing machine which is quite dated. So he has an SSD to carry over and some other storage too.

Second, its from pc specialist in the uk.

Third he wants to be able to source things ex vat as it is for his own business. Is there a site that makes that easier? He is registered AFAIK (I dont know how it works)

I prefer the list you have sent, but he wants to go M-ITX for this build. The only M-ITX option is a 175 quid rgb board from Asus which I dont think he needs...:pac:

Would an x370 board be a good option? Even an m-itx b350?

Edit, he doesn't "want" to overclock (ill change his mind) in which case is the stock cooler going to be ok for video editing? To save for another part over say a noctua?

Also edit, wrong thread?

Stock cooler is fine if he's not overclocking. X370 is a fine option if you are not overclocking. But if he's doing heavy/extended work loads I'd avoid the B350 just because the x370/x470 will have considerably better VRM's. Good RAM is also going to be a big boost.

jebidiah

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VFcv4q

If anyone would care to comment. Not sure about the power supply. Could the top down cooler provide cooling to vrms?

Lukker-

jebidiah wrote: »

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VFcv4q

If anyone would care to comment. Not sure about the power supply. Could the top down cooler provide cooling to vrms?

For better airflow you might consider a blower GPU fan instead. Having an exhaust that can dump the hot air out the back will probably keep the VRM temps down as much as adding more intakes.

Lukker-

If you wanna go for a non reference GPU fan design I would go for a case with mesh design instead, like the Thermaltake v1, as having a blower GPU dumping the hot air out is less important as the air can escape from nearly anywehre in the case.

Inviere

Lukker- wrote: »

If you wanna go for a non reference GPU fan design I would go for a case with mesh design instead, like the Thermaltake v1, as having a blower GPU dumping the hot air out is less important as the air can escape from nearly anywehre in the case.

I've the V1, and a blower/reference 1070. Case is kept quite cool and all runs quite happily (I've an X31 cooling the 7700K inside)

K.O.Kiki

Lukker- wrote: »

If you wanna go for a non reference GPU fan design I would go for a case with mesh design instead, like the Thermaltake v1, as having a blower GPU dumping the hot air out is less important as the air can escape from nearly anywehre in the case.

I disagree on ever buying a blower card.
Mount a small fan to vent air out & enjoy the superior cooling & quieter fanspeeds of a dual-fan GPU.

Lukker-

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I disagree on ever buying a blower card.
Mount a small fan to vent air out & enjoy the superior cooling & quieter fanspeeds of a dual-fan GPU.

Just adding an extra exhaust won't necessarily mean you can dump all that air out. It can create negative air pressure, which will make the temp even hotter.

For tight airflow mini ITX cases, many more experienced builders than myself recommend blower cards. (they are the only time I recommend them)

jebidiah

Lukker- wrote: »

Just adding an extra exhaust won't necessarily mean you can dump all that air out. It can create negative air pressure, which will make the temp even hotter.

For tight airflow mini ITX cases, many more experienced builders than myself recommend blower cards. (they are the only time I recommend them)

When I built my own machine I went for an matx in a larger fractal design case. Based on a video from bitwit. There was a small difference in temps/noise with a blower card in the nano s case due to one of the fans on the GPU being almost in contact with the PSU.

I do like the v1 though. As it hides the PSU and gives the GPU room to breath.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far all!

K.O.Kiki

Lukker- wrote: »

Just adding an extra exhaust won't necessarily mean you can dump all that air out. It can create negative air pressure, which will make the temp even hotter.

For tight airflow mini ITX cases, many more experienced builders than myself recommend blower cards. (they are the only time I recommend them)

Could go for Cougar QBX / QBX Kaze.*
(have to research your PSU beforehand!)

Great ventilation & fan support in a small case.

Other reason to suggest OEM over blowers is that the blowers frequently have trouble maintaining their cooling capability, leading to severe thermal throttling.

jebidiah

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Could go for Cougar QBX / QBX Kaze.*
(have to research your PSU beforehand!)

Great ventilation & fan support in a small case.

Other reason to suggest OEM over blowers is that the blowers frequently have trouble maintaining their cooling capability, leading to severe thermal throttling.

K.O.kiki in your original parts list you selected the KFA2 1070ti, at the moment on pcpartpicker there is an MSI Duke and EVGA Black Edition 1070ti for around the same or less (fluctuating price since yesterday)

Is there much difference between the three?

Again, should I start a new thread?

Lukker-

jebidiah wrote: »

K.O.kiki in your original parts list you selected the KFA2 1070ti, at the moment on pcpartpicker there is an MSI Duke and EVGA Black Edition 1070ti for around the same or less (fluctuating price since yesterday)

Is there much difference between the three?

Again, should I start a new thread?

Just on brand names alone, I don't know too much about KFA2. They offer a 2 year warranty, whereas EVGA definitely do 3 year warranty, MSI I'm not so sure but I reckon it's 3 too.

K.O.Kiki

BloodBath

Third gen 7nm Ryzen is shaping up very nicely. Large improvements across the board outside of a simple process node reduction.

This is the chip that is going to put them on top. RIP intel.