AMD Zen Discussion Thread

Homelander

The reviews for it are pretty good. It's only a bit faster than i5-10600K but a) cheaper b) comes with cooler c) less power.

It wouldn't really make any sense at all to get the i5. When you factor in the cooler cost and more expensive motherboard, it'll cost a fair packet more.

MidlanderMan

ozmo wrote: »

Thanks - Ill wait til the dust settles - but saw this on a Finish site...

link
€ 324.90 inc vat - so not so much a rip off as amazon...


But the note attached might be of interest to someone...

NOTE! Ryze 5000 series processors only run directly on X570 and B550 series motherboards with BIOS AGESA version 1.0.8.0 or later.
B450 motherboards will receive Ryzen 5000 Series compatible BIOS updates no earlier than January 2021.


I would have had wait til January to get it working...

I paid £270 from amazon.co.uk. The one you found was probably a third party seller on Amazon.

Overheal

Was gonna get a noctua cooler but since im stuck with a wraith cooler may as well give it a lash

Mech1

Overheal wrote: »

Was gonna get a noctua cooler but since im stuck with a wraith cooler may as well give it a lash

I have a Wraith Prism on my R5 3700xt working well 65C hottest ive seen so hoping to pair it with the 5600x.

.G.

Andrew76 wrote: »

What did it say was your estimated delivery date out of curiosity?

I didn't have one. No mention of it on my order email.

InDarkWoods

MidlanderMan wrote: »

I paid £270 from amazon.co.uk. The one you found was probably a third party seller on Amazon.

I got a 5600X from a third party seller on Amazon UK when it was around £363. It was also around £12 postage. Around £100 more, and I can still cancel it, but it's saying it'll arrive around the 10th of this month.

I do wish I could've gotten it at the official price, but I have parts waiting in my apartment for the past two months waiting for Navi and Zen, so eh.

_CreeD_

Theoretically have an order on a 5900x with Scan, no emails on delivery dates yet and it doesn't show in my order history but I did get the invoice and my card has been charged. I emailed their support on the history issue and they just stated the obvious, lots of orders being processed, be patient....

Overheal

Mines already shipped

SeanW

MidlanderMan wrote: »

I paid £270 from amazon.co.uk. The one you found was probably a third party seller scalper on Amazon.

FYP. From now on it looks like short supply and scalping is going to be the order of the day. If that is so, then the smart thing to do will be to assume that getting things at launch is going to be unlikely and to assume you'll be waiting a few weeks (more in the case of a paper launch) to get what you need.

SickBoy

_CreeD_ wrote: »

Theoretically have an order on a 5900x with Scan, no emails on delivery dates yet and it doesn't show in my order history but I did get the invoice and my card has been charged. I emailed their support on the history issue and they just stated the obvious, lots of orders being processed, be patient....

Similar situation here with Scan.
Ordered 5950x.
Checked out with Amazon pay.
Have order number and invoice number when checkout completed but it's not showing in my order history.
Got no email from Scan but did get email from Amazon confirming they are processing payment.
Finished transaction at roughly 14:02.

.G.

My order didn't show in my scan history until about 4pm. My email receipt says I checked out at 14.15

Shlippery

yer alright, thanks Amazon.

Andrew76

Shlippery wrote: »

yer alright, thanks Amazon.

That's coming from a 3rd party rather than Amazon themselves, some price hike though. :eek:

Shlippery

Oh I know, chancers, was hoping they'd notify when they were stocking it themselves, not just any cowboy operation!

CJhaughey

Overheal wrote: »

Personally I'm going Ryzen 5600X + Radeon 6800

My thoughts exactly.
I was looking at a few today, started at €350 sold out and reappeared at €365
I had one in my basket on Scan but after messing about it was gone, there was 721 people looking for one then!

Thor

.G. wrote: »

My order didn't show in my scan history until about 4pm. My email receipt says I checked out at 14.15

Same here, only showed hours later and has different time on order, but i think thats just their weird way of doing it.

That being said. Scan previously stated they wouldnt oversell stock they didnt have like what happened with the 3080 launch.

Welll... customer care just said.

we closed the preorders once the 6-week forecast amount was reached. this is the same as the 3090 and 3070 launch previously.

So they new countless orders would go through right after their few stock was sold in an effort to get more folks orders in. All the retailers know that most wont cancel the orders as they loose their chances of getting new stock.

Homelander

Worst is that people will pay it as well. Never understand people paying way over the odds for low-mid range stuff. I mean fair enough, anyone buying an RTX3090 isn't too stuck for cash, but spending £400 on a £280 processor is a bit silly for the sake of a month or two.

If it was me I would just buy a Ryzen 3100 to see me through, still a solid performer. And also would hold value really well.

Andrew76

Thor wrote: »

Same here, only showed hours later and has different time on order, but i think thats just their weird way of doing it.

That being said. Scan previously stated they wouldnt oversell stock they didnt have like what happened with the 3080 launch.

Welll... customer care just said.



So they new countless orders would go through right after their few stock was sold in an effort to get more folks orders in. All the retailers know that most wont cancel the orders as they loose their chances of getting new stock.

I got the order confirmation email at 2:04pm and two status update emails before 3pm, paid by card rather than Paypal but they took payment at the point of order. It's still sitting at awaiting picking with a delivery date of next Monday but as long as I get it before Christmas I'm happy - still have a PSU, RAM and SSD to get before I can actually use the thing.

GHOST MGG

Andrew76 wrote: »

I got the order confirmation email at 2:04pm and two status update emails before 3pm, paid by card rather than Paypal but they took payment at the point of order. It's still sitting at awaiting picking with a delivery date of next Monday but as long as I get it before Christmas I'm happy - still have a PSU, RAM and SSD to get before I can actually use the thing.

I just got my email from scan as well...with it confiming order was paid and order has been picked with a estimated delivery of the 10th november..a hell of a lot better than the original email that stated 30th november:)

MidlanderMan

Any recomendations for a decent reasonably priced 240mm AIO for a 5600x?

doesn't need to be overkill, it's a 65w chip, just want something reliable and quiet.

SickBoy

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Any recomendations for a decent reasonably priced 240mm AIO for a 5600x?

doesn't need to be overkill, it's a 65w chip, just want something reliable and quiet.

Are you dead set on an All In One water cooler?
I'd recommend something like a Noctua NH-U12S for a 5600x

InDarkWoods

SickBoy wrote: »

Are you dead set on an All In One water cooler?
I'd recommend something like a Noctua NH-U12S for a 5600x

This is EXACTLY what I'm about to build.

Chromax Black, small and quiet (which should be plenty for a 65w chip), less moving parts and PoFs, and most importantly not a nightmare to manoeuvre around like the DH-15 I have at the moment.

Overheal

I was looking at the low profile noctua but wondering about the difference in performance to the big boy

InDarkWoods

Overheal wrote: »

I was looking at the low profile noctua but wondering about the difference in performance to the big boy

Probably depends on the size of your case and its levels of airflow, how much noise you're happy with, and the kind of chip you're getting.

I've a DX500 on the way, some big 140mm Noctua fans, and the U12S. My current machine has the D15 because I hate fan noise, but I have a R5 1600... not exactly a pumping out a lot of heat.

With the performance per watt gains and reductions in temp of Zen 3, I'm fairly confident that a smaller, more manageable U12S will do the trick (EDIT: I should also add that I bought a second fan for use on the U12S, as seen in the video link).

There was a great video of a guy that even put one on a 3900X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmgkyUXH6K0

.G.

Thor wrote: »

Same here, only showed hours later and has different time on order, but i think thats just their weird way of doing it.

That being said. Scan previously stated they wouldnt oversell stock they didnt have like what happened with the 3080 launch.

Welll... customer care just said.



So they new countless orders would go through right after their few stock was sold in an effort to get more folks orders in. All the retailers know that most wont cancel the orders as they loose their chances of getting new stock.

Yeah I think my order status is lying to me. I had it in the basket about 1.58pm but by the time it checked out it was well after 2. I didn't receive any other emails bar the confirmation, so no status updates or anything like that yet it says "awaiting despatch" on their website.

Think I'm going on the long finger.

K.O.Kiki

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Any recomendations for a decent reasonably priced 240mm AIO for a 5600x?

doesn't need to be overkill, it's a 65w chip, just want something reliable and quiet.

Get a Scythe Mugen 5 or Fuma 2.

But if going AIO, Arctic Liquid Freezer II if your case can hold it (radiator is thick).

wotzgoingon

Just looking at the gaming benchmarks on GN. They only used 3200MHz RAM in their gaming tests so not showing AMD in the best light. 3600MHz with the 1800MHz IF for 1:1:1 would show higher gains than was shown in their benchmarks. I was also reading on another forum that AMD after launch are looking to get 1900MHz IF stable how true that is I'm not sure. On Zen 2 1900MHz was best of the best and not stable for many people and 2000MHz will be the new best of the best with 1900MHz stable.

.G.

.G. wrote: »

Yeah I think my order status is lying to me. I had it in the basket about 1.58pm but by the time it checked out it was well after 2. I didn't receive any other emails bar the confirmation, so no status updates or anything like that yet it says "awaiting despatch" on their website.

Think I'm going on the long finger.

Just got a status update email with delivery for November 10th

Slutmonkey57b

Overheal wrote: »

I was looking at the low profile noctua but wondering about the difference in performance to the big boy

I've an L12s on a 3600 which is keeping things under 60c at full load. If you've got good airflow in the case it should hold its own against most tower coolers. If anyone is going small form factor itx I would recommend b550 though - absolutely massive difference in temperatures generated by the vrm between an aorus b450 and an Asus b550 strix, which will affect cooling and performance.

tazzzZ

.G. wrote: »

Just got a status update email with delivery for November 10th

Yep I just got the same there a little earlier. My original email had est delivery of 30th...i assumed I missed the initial shipment. Delighted it could arrive so soon

Andrew76

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

I've an L12s on a 3600 which is keeping things under 60c at full load. If you've got good airflow in the case it should hold its own against most tower coolers. If anyone is going small form factor itx I would recommend b550 though - absolutely massive difference in temperatures generated by the vrm between an aorus b450 and an Asus b550 strix, which will affect cooling and performance.

You mean lower temperatures on the 550? I have this one on its way to me, YT reviews suggest it’s fairly decent?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B089T3SCJT

Slutmonkey57b

Andrew76 wrote: »

You mean lower temperatures on the 550? I have this one on its way to me, YT reviews suggest it’s fairly decent?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B089T3SCJT

That's what I replaced the aorus board with, it's excellent. Was worried about the noise risk from the small VRM fan but it's silent. The bottom and side of the case around the b450 were physically hot to the touch due to the VRM's but no such problems on the 550 board. Compared to the gigabyte: the bios is a little less user friendly, manual fan profiles have fewer adjustment points, and the wifi aerial isn't as physically stable on its feet but it's definitely a better board.

Mech1

Yes! just got a update from Amazon.com my R5 5600x delivery has been brought forward to Nov 25th.

Andrew76

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

That's what I replaced the aorus board with, it's excellent. Was worried about the noise risk from the small VRM fan but it's silent. The bottom and side of the case around the b450 were physically hot to the touch due to the VRM's but no such problems on the 550 board. Compared to the gigabyte: the bios is a little less user friendly, manual fan profiles have fewer adjustment points, and the wifi aerial isn't as physically stable on its feet but it's definitely a better board.

Ah cool that’s good to hear. Hoping for as quiet as I can get.

MidlanderMan

Mech1 wrote: »

Yes! just got a update from Amazon.com my R5 5600x delivery has been brought forward to Nov 25th.

Mine is sitting in the Addresspal depot in the UK. Might actually get my other parts first.

Overheal

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Mine is sitting in the Antidepressant depot in the UK. Might actually get my other parts first.

FTFY



Like a big shipment of silicon prozac

K.O.Kiki

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/components/cpu-memory-motherboard-bundles/amd-ryzen-5000-series-bundles.html

AWD seemingly have ASUS motherboard + Ryzen 5000 bundles available.

Overheal

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/components/cpu-memory-motherboard-bundles/amd-ryzen-5000-series-bundles.html

AWD seemingly have ASUS motherboard + Ryzen 5000 bundles available.

Newegg had some ... PSU+CPU bundles. Can't even look at them now that the CPU is out of stock. PSU maker must be annoyed.

InDarkWoods

So I ended up cancelling and requesting a refund for the 56000X I got from a third-party seller on Amazon. £373 was just too much over the MSRP—I think patience is the name of the game here.

Just gotta keep an eye open and check in on this thread until I finally get one for a reasonable price.

JoyPad

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/components/cpu-memory-motherboard-bundles/amd-ryzen-5000-series-bundles.html

AWD seemingly have ASUS motherboard + Ryzen 5000 bundles available.

I ended up ordering a bundle on Scan, including an ASUS ROG Strix X570-F motherboard, 32GB RAM 3200MHz, Corsair AIO Cooler, and 5950X. Price is much better than the sum of the parts, and I can use them all.

Unfortunately, Scan will send the CPU installed and the cooler attached. I already had a cooler that I was planning to use, but we'll see how easy it is to detach, re-paste, replace.

Squidgy Black

JoyPad wrote: »

I ended up ordering a bundle on Scan, including an ASUS ROG Strix X570-F motherboard, 32GB RAM 3200MHz, Corsair AIO Cooler, and 5950X. Price is much better than the sum of the parts, and I can use them all.

Unfortunately, Scan will send the CPU installed and the cooler attached. I already had a cooler that I was planning to use, but we'll see how easy it is to detach, re-paste, replace.

Get yourself some thermal paste remover off Amazon or some isopropyl alcohol from a chemist to remove the thermal paste, otherwise it's a bit of a mess

Thor

Anyone really looking to get one, just wait a week or so. I have sources in AMD and stock is plenty and will be arriving steadily.

This wont be a wait weeks for a unit type deal as it was with 3080, some might feel the same sting that was met with that launch be be itching to get a chip by all means.

MidlanderMan

InDarkWoods

Thor wrote: »

Anyone really looking to get one, just wait a week or so. I have sources in AMD and stock is plenty and will be arriving steadily.

This wont be a wait weeks for a unit type deal as it was with 3080, some might feel the same sting that was met with that launch be be itching to get a chip by all means.

That's heartening to hear. Any idea where's the best place to keep an eye out? Amazon UK is usually my go-to....

Samuel T. Cogley

Think we've found the new new Sandybridge.

The 5600X performance is just stunning. I really hope they dont hobble the 5600. Hopefully Intel will cut prices a d the 5600 will be the answer.

Squidgy Black

I know my 3600 is fine for 1440p with the 3080, but it's mighty tempting to go 5600x or even 5600 if they release it as I've been looking at getting rid of my b450m-a for a bit considering it's lack of VRMs and horrible fan/usb connector placement....

Someone please convince me it's not worth it.

liamog

I've a 5950x on order with Scan ordered at 14:06, I've not had dreaded it's a pre-order yet, but still at the awaiting picking stage.

GHOST MGG

liamog wrote: »

I've a 5950x on order with Scan ordered at 14:06, I've not had dreaded it's a pre-order yet, but still at the awaiting picking stage.

They are certainly taking there time with letting customers know where they stand,25 hours after the order

CJhaughey

Thor wrote: »

Anyone really looking to get one, just wait a week or so. I have sources in AMD and stock is plenty and will be arriving steadily.

This wont be a wait weeks for a unit type deal as it was with 3080, some might feel the same sting that was met with that launch be be itching to get a chip by all means.

I also heard there was plenty of chips to go around. AM4 is a great platform isn't it?, to span from a 220GE to a 5950X on the same slot is nothing short of amazing.
How many different sockets would Intel have used?

eigenboggle

GHOST MGG wrote: »

They are certainly taking there time with letting customers know where they stand,25 hours after the order

They must be absolutely flat out dealing with all the RTX cards, both nvidia and partner cards, and now the ryzen 5000s launching on top of it all!