Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

deaddonkey15

edgecutter wrote: »

Your right, how can any striker on 300k a week get good contact on that kind of ball?

Drop Mensah

Gas how so many people still can't get over his wages. Good contact is one thing, effective contact is another. It's not uncommon to see players send those kind of chances into row z. Not many players would have scored first time from that pass this evening.

Cypher_sounds

Robson99 wrote: »

If Mikateryan can find the form he showed in Germany and have him with Pogba and Herrera in the middle of the park then we would have have great pace in the team

Almost forgot about him.
It would be some shame if he goes through the season without showing what he is capable of.
Surely he will be flying in no time with the likes of Pogba and Ibra around him, hopefully he can be a big player for us.

deaddonkey15

Robson99 wrote: »

Aaah in fairness poor Rooney he done fantastic to get any sort of a touch on it.... and the ball he put out of play when it was simpler to pass well the bloody grounds man should gave put the touchline half way up the stand and it would have stayed in play....
Poor Auld Wayne its never his fault

Armchair analysis at it's finest.

Robson99

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Armchair analysis at it's finest.

Couch actually.

Robson99

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Gas how so many people still can't get over his wages. Good contact is one thing, effective contact is another. It's not uncommon to see players send those kind of chances into row z. Not many players would have scored first time from that pass this evening.

Ya not many.. just the good ones

edgecutter

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Gas how so many people still can't get over his wages. Good contact is one thing, effective contact is another. It's not uncommon to see players send those kind of chances into row z. Not many players would have scored first time from that pass this evening.

Clutching straws?

Rooney also missed a sitter against Northampton, but I'm sure it was down to other players not perfecting their passes to him.

Id take a match thread after a 5-0 loss to liverpool over the continued rooney saga here

Is there mo something in the charter about spamming or did i dream that up cant find it.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

We have a new one trick pony, you don't need to do this any more.

I've changed my mind Bangkok, please save us from these Rooney idiots!

In other news, Lingard continues to prove me right about him. Another bog standard, average, Tom Cleverly level footballer that we can improve upon.

edgecutter

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've changed my mind Bangkok, please save us from these Rooney idiots!

In other news, Lingard continues to prove me right about him. Another bog standard, average, Tom Cleverly level footballer that we can improve upon.

When Mickey is fit we need him back in to get some fitness. Hopefully we will see more of him on Sunday.

As for Jesse, he is a squad player and nothing more. He will work his socks off, but offers very little attacking threat.

deaddonkey15

Robson99 wrote: »

Ya not many.. just the good ones

We'll forget Ibrahimovich's two missed volleys against Leicester then. Can't possibly suggest he's not a good player.

edgecutter wrote: »

Clutching straws?

Rooney also missed a sitter against Northampton, but I'm sure it was down to other players not perfecting their passes to him.

Not clutching straws, pointing out the cut back was a poor one and difficult to convert first time especially when he's more than likely expecting a ball to feet. I'd love to see the reaction of people here had Rooney cut back that ball to Ibrahimovic. I'm sure he'd take all the flak for that too.

edgecutter

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We'll forget Ibrahimovich's two missed volleys against Leicester then. Can't possibly suggest he's not a good player.



Not clutching straws, pointing out the cut back was a poor one and difficult to convert first time especially when he's more than likely expecting a ball to feet. I'd love to see the reaction of people here had Rooney cut back that ball to Ibrahimovic. I'm sure he'd take all the flak for that too.

I am done. You win, Rooney should start and is the best player at United.

DM_7

Bailly is great craic to watch. Smalling also doing well as he gets more games.

Pogba is something else, some great passes and effortless play, other times (less often) looks dog lazy with no effort. Expecting a mental goal from him shortly.

Rashford is so calm. Great to see in a young player.

bucketybuck

edgecutter wrote: »

When Mickey is fit we need him back in to get some fitness. Hopefully we will see more of him on Sunday.

As for Jesse, he is a squad player and nothing more. He will work his socks off, but offers very little attacking threat.

We always need squad players, but he definitely should be way down the list rather than getting regular game time.

edgecutter

bucketybuck wrote: »

We always need squad players, but he definitely should be way down the list rather than getting regular game time.

Agree, but when your English...

Jayop

edgecutter wrote: »

Agree, but when your English...

Ya there's a massive media conspiracy to get Lingard games. Fml

Rayne Wooney

Darmian seems to have been exiled

Had high hopes for him.

Liam O

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Darmian seems to have been exiled

Had high hopes for him.

Miles better than Valencia anyway...

deaddonkey15

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We'll forget Ibrahimovich's two missed volleys against Leicester then. Can't possibly suggest he's not a good player.



Not clutching straws, pointing out the cut back was a poor one and difficult to convert first time especially when he's more than likely expecting a ball to feet. I'd love to see the reaction of people here had Rooney cut back that ball to Ibrahimovic. I'm sure he'd take all the flak for that too.

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/781601486769889280

Giggsy11

Playing Fellaini a big problem for the team. Individually he is doing his job by breaking up play but he is limited on the ball and takes too many touches to pass the ball. Tempo and quick passing is missing when he plays. He is playing in very important position but he isn't good enough to play that role.

Also anyone noticed how pissed Ibra was when he was pressing and Rooney wasnt around 86th min? Very poor from Rooney who just came on and played 20 plus mins.

Giggsy11

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Playing Fellaini a big problem for the team. Individually he is doing his job by breaking up play but he is limited on the ball and takes too many touches to pass the ball. Tempo and quick passing is missing when he plays. He is playing in very important position but he isn't good enough to play that role.

An awful lot came through him last night and yes he was slow in possession.
I'd like to see Herrera & Pogba again this weekend.

Kerrydude1981

M!Ck^ wrote: »

An awful lot came through him last night and yes he was slow in possession.
I'd like to see Herrera & Pogba again this weekend.

For the big games,will we see two sitting CM's Herrera and Schneiderlin/Carrick with Pogba playing ahead of them.

Trigger

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

For the big games,will we see two sitting CM's Herrera and Schneiderlin/Carrick with Pogba playing ahead of them.

I agree, I can see Mata being on the bench for the bigger games or even out wide.. Mata is essential when we are playing teams that put 10 men behind the ball.. he is constantly probing and Trying to get runners in behind.. the goal last night was exactly why he is needed.. perfectly weighted through ball.. pity about the cross as it would have been a super goal if it had of been lower for Rooney to catch properly.

Nalz

M!Ck^ wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/781601486769889280

You can't knock Wayne

You can't mock Wayne

You can't knock Wayne

You can't mock Wayne

You can't knock Wayne

You can't mock Wayne

jaykay74

Is Shaw due back at the weekend ? Press conference today ?

Liam O

5 years since this disgrace threw United into turmoil.



Should have been kicked out for that.

Son Of A Vidic

edgecutter wrote: »

When Mickey is fit we need him back in to get some fitness. Hopefully we will see more of him on Sunday.

I'd like to see him back and hopefully he learned something from the City game. Carrying a knock or not, not closing down his opponent and being repeatedly dispossessed of the football is not acceptable. It's something I hope that Jose has sorted out.

Kerrydude1981

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

I'd like to see him back and hopefully he learned something from the City game. Carrying a knock or not, not closing down his opponent and being repeatedly dispossessed of the football is not acceptable. It's something I hope that Jose has sorted out.

The one thing that surprised me there was that Mickey Ryan coming in from Dortmund, so closing down and pressing opponents should come natural to him,

Son Of A Vidic

M!Ck^ wrote: »

An awful lot came through him last night and yes he was slow in possession.
I'd like to see Herrera & Pogba again this weekend.

Last night really showed the huge difference between Herrera not playing and Fellani playing. Herrera is an automatic starter for me and I'm just hoping Jose was saving him for the weekend.

Cantona's Collars

A lot of rumours floating that a former player with a fondness for super injunctions is on the Telegraphs list.Could be bull as I said it's a rumour so no names here.

Son Of A Vidic

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

The one thing that surprised me there was that Mickey Ryan coming in from Dortmund, so closing down and pressing opponents should come natural to him,

That's true, there is no shortage of physicality in the German league. I think he surrendered the ball something like 11-13 times against City and that's not good at any level of Football. He didn't do that in Germany and hopefully he won't do that again at United.

Rayne Wooney

I think we could probably get away with playing a Pog Herrera combo for the most part, Fellaini does well when breaking up play and is tidy in possession but I'm not sure that's enough for him to earn a starting place in the midfield.

You can see why we bid for Kante, he does what Fellaini does but is a little more adventurous with his passing.

Lord TSC

zerks wrote: »

A lot of rumours floating that a former player with a fondness for super injunctions is on the Telegraphs list.Could be bull as I said it's a rumour so no names here.

As in the guy who likes attending musical groups playing songs for people?

sky88

zerks wrote: »

A lot of rumours floating that a former player with a fondness for super injunctions is on the Telegraphs list.Could be bull as I said it's a rumour so no names here.

well the one i say there were a good few former united players. hopefully its bullcrap

RobertKK

M!Ck^ wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/781601486769889280

It was so nearly another good clearance of the ball by Rooney, but he forgot Rashford is Flashford.

TheDoc

Jayop wrote: »

Someone said this morning that they think certain people love Rooney more than United. I swear a load of you hate Rooney more than you love United. Game won and he only played a few minutes yet yer still at it. He's been dropped, he is out of the starting side for the foreseeable, can ye pick a new subject?

With the outrageous support he gets in the media and pundit arena, it's an issue that fans will keep reacting to, when there is such nonsense occurring on the TV in front of you, it's hard not to react. Especially when you consider these pundits and media outlets influence so much of the fanbase.

TheDoc

As for the match last night, a total snoozefest.

But when the manager has so openly discredited the competition I don't know how we can expect the players to get up for it.

Fellaini was actually fine, he did his job pretty well. But that game really didn't require him, so things looked ponderous and slow. But he wasn't the only one, the entire tempo was flat and there was a massive whif of not arsed coming from the team.

I thought it was ridiculous that Memphis and Schneiderlan were left on the bench, and that Martial was given some time. He has been piss poor this season and Memphis should really be getting minutes in games like this. Schneiderlan also, as there is literally no need for Fellaini to be there.

The_Kew_Tour

We will just call him Brian Briggs

Leroy42

Come on now lads, Fellaini should be nowhere near the starting 11.

He's not as bad as some make out but he is so far from the top level it is crazy. Yes he has played reasonable well in the 1st few weeks, but he has been given an extremely limited task.

Given this limit he should at least be providing something to the team. He is not the fastest, like Carrick, yet doesn't have anywhere close to the passing ability. His first touch is pretty average, he doesn't appear to read the game particularly well so ends of chasing the ball and lunging into tackles. Usually reading of the game can get you past many of the shortfalls, but he really doesn't do a great job on that front. not terrible, but not enough to override the lack of talent in the other areas.

For a big man he doesn't get too many headed goals, has a very limited shot on him. Actually, when you start putting it down there is very little positive that can be said about him


We have him now so better to use him than not but we are going nowhere with him in the team. Neither will we been beaten off the park

RobertKK

United need to move Rooney on after this season. This is about the team, he is not the best in his position at the club at the moment, and we can afford to bring in better next summer.

This is nothing against Rooney, but I support the team and want the team to win, I don't think Rooney is good enough to continue at United after this season.
My preference would be to replace Rooney with someone like Griezmann.

RobertKK

I remember watching Big Brother years ago when Imogen Thomas was on it, I remember there was another girl called Charlie who wanted a PL footballer...
Never heard of Charlie getting her PL footballer, but Imogen seemed to do alright as I heard she was attending gigs in Manchester.

Leroy42

Heard Brad Friedel talking about Rooney yesterday and the commentator was making the point that it is a tricky situation.

BF said that it isn't really, Rooney has had many years at the top and the end comes to every player and football will continue. Utd relied on him in the past as he was the best, they have simply got better players than him in each position, whether through buying them i nor youth development.

Bf couldn't understand why everyone seems to be struggling to see that Rooney has dropped a level, it was totally natural and expected. His view was thanks for the memories but unless you continue to prove you are the best available in your position the next player is always ready.

RobertKK

Leroy42 wrote: »

Come on now lads, Fellaini should be nowhere near the starting 11.

He's not as bad as some make out but he is so far from the top level it is crazy. Yes he has played reasonable well in the 1st few weeks, but he has been given an extremely limited task.

Given this limit he should at least be providing something to the team. He is not the fastest, like Carrick, yet doesn't have anywhere close to the passing ability. His first touch is pretty average, he doesn't appear to read the game particularly well so ends of chasing the ball and lunging into tackles. Usually reading of the game can get you past many of the shortfalls, but he really doesn't do a great job on that front. not terrible, but not enough to override the lack of talent in the other areas.

For a big man he doesn't get too many headed goals, has a very limited shot on him. Actually, when you start putting it down there is very little positive that can be said about him


We have him now so better to use him than not but we are going nowhere with him in the team. Neither will we been beaten off the park

I don't think the Pogba/Fellaini midfield is the best we can do.
Pogba/Herrera is better.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

As for the match last night, a total snoozefest.

But when the manager has so openly discredited the competition I don't know how we can expect the players to get up for it.

Fellaini was actually fine, he did his job pretty well. But that game really didn't require him, so things looked ponderous and slow. But he wasn't the only one, the entire tempo was flat and there was a massive whif of not arsed coming from the team.

I thought it was ridiculous that Memphis and Schneiderlan were left on the bench, and that Martial was given some time. He has been piss poor this season and Memphis should really be getting minutes in games like this. Schneiderlan also, as there is literally no need for Fellaini to be there.

Doc you have some gra for Depay I still hope he comes good but id prefer totry get Martial back to what he has shown as opposed to Depay who has never sparked at united

Liam O

Leroy42 wrote: »

Come on now lads, Fellaini should be nowhere near the starting 11.

He's not as bad as some make out but he is so far from the top level it is crazy. Yes he has played reasonable well in the 1st few weeks, but he has been given an extremely limited task.

Given this limit he should at least be providing something to the team. He is not the fastest, like Carrick, yet doesn't have anywhere close to the passing ability. His first touch is pretty average, he doesn't appear to read the game particularly well so ends of chasing the ball and lunging into tackles. Usually reading of the game can get you past many of the shortfalls, but he really doesn't do a great job on that front. not terrible, but not enough to override the lack of talent in the other areas.

For a big man he doesn't get too many headed goals, has a very limited shot on him. Actually, when you start putting it down there is very little positive that can be said about him


We have him now so better to use him than not but we are going nowhere with him in the team. Neither will we been beaten off the park

Yeah I mean the only thing he is being asked to do is carry the midfield in defence, link up the play, cover for high balls into the box and now seemingly should be rattling in a header or a 30 yard screamer every game.

He has been probably United's most consistent player the last few seasons. I don't know what people are expecting of him. Herrera is a better passer is now somehow an indictment of him, it's not like his passing is bad, in tight areas it's very good compared to a lot of players that have played in CM for United recent years.

Hococop

Leroy42 wrote: »

Heard Brad Friedel talking about Rooney yesterday and the commentator was making the point that it is a tricky situation.

BF said that it isn't really, Rooney has had many years at the top and the end comes to every player and football will continue. Utd relied on him in the past as he was the best, they have simply got better players than him in each position, whether through buying them i nor youth development.

Bf couldn't understand why everyone seems to be struggling to see that Rooney has dropped a level, it was totally natural and expected. His view was thanks for the memories but unless you continue to prove you are the best available in your position the next player is always ready.

Remember watching friedel doing pundit on rte for the WC 2014 and found him very good, very honest

PhlegmyMoses

Liam O wrote: »

Yeah I mean the only thing he is being asked to do is carry the midfield in defence, link up the play, cover for high balls into the box and now seemingly should be rattling in a header or a 30 yard screamer every game.

I mean, apart from the screamers and the headers, and nobody is asking for the screamers, you're talking about basic midfield tasks. He's having a good start to the season and is an able competitor, but there is also merit in the idea that we could maybe replace him with somebody better.

Liam O

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I mean, apart from the screamers and the headers, and nobody is asking for the screamers, you're talking about basic midfield tasks. He's having a good start to the season and is an able competitor, but there is also merit in the idea that we could maybe replace him with somebody better.

Pogba and Herrera will be overrun by any competent 3 man midfield. Grand for the home games against bottom half and I'd encourage that but Fellaini is far far better than Herrera in his defensive tasks and that's needed a lot too. As I said it's hardly like Fellaini is a bad passer, not being as good as Herrera doesn't make him worse at it.

Mitch Connor

Liam O wrote: »

Pogba and Herrera will be overrun by any competent 3 man midfield. Grand for the home games against bottom half and I'd encourage that but Fellaini is far far better than Herrera in his defensive tasks and that's needed a lot too. As I said it's hardly like Fellaini is a bad passer, not being as good as Herrera doesn't make him worse at it.

I'd still play Herrera and Pogba, but put Schneiderlin in with them against the top sides.

I think Pogba and Herrera are good enough going back and forward to play in such a midfield (with then two wingers and a striker).

J. Marston

From Reddit, Ibrahimovic less than impressed with Rooney's attempts at pressing...

http://gfycat.com/WebbedElaborateBubblefish