Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

beno619

murpho999 wrote: »

Come in peace.

Are Utd fans happy with the current style of play.

Never seen such a negative United side come to Anfield like that before.

Can't imagine Utd fans enjoy that sort of play and tactics. More used to Utd going to Anfield and other way grounds and tryng to win.

Yep. Good result.

You were the form team and at home.

adox

murpho999 wrote: »

Come in peace.

Are Utd fans happy with the current style of play.

Never seen such a negative United side come to Anfield like that before.

Can't imagine Utd fans enjoy that sort of play and tactics. More used to Utd going to Anfield and other way grounds and tryng to win.

But that's not our current style of play.
I've no problem with those sort of tactics in this sort of game, especially in the context of the season.

Utd looked the more threatening in the first half and Liverpool looked clueless.
Liverpool were the better team in the second half but hardly convincing.

It may not be flashy stuff but there's a certain comfort in knowing your team can be so disciplined like that for 90 minutes. It's the sort of stuff you build foundations on and Utd have been looking for that for the last three seasons.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

Come in peace.

Are Utd fans happy with the current style of play.

Never seen such a negative United side come to Anfield like that before.

Can't imagine Utd fans enjoy that sort of play and tactics. More used to Utd going to Anfield and other way grounds and tryng to win.

You know deep down murpho that you were the in form team.
We played exactly as we should have, if we played an open style we would have been caught out
We setup to Nick it and we nearly did only for ibra missed a sitter

Mantis Toboggan

We all knew what to expect when Jose arrived.

Was a Mourinho masterclass in fairness, great discipline, my only problem is that Liverpool were awful for most of the game and we barely created a chance.

jayo26

murpho999 wrote: »

Come in peace.

Are Utd fans happy with the current style of play.

Never seen such a negative United side come to Anfield like that before.

Can't imagine Utd fans enjoy that sort of play and tactics. More used to Utd going to Anfield and other way grounds and tryng to win.

That's was not overly negative we were more adventurous in the first half but pool defended well we didn't get a chance and we tried to get at ye when milner was taken off we just couldn't work anything but it wasn't for the want of trying to move forward.

If we had to of went all out attack we would of been caught with pace it would be stupid tactics.

Jayop

Yep no problem being defensive in a game like that away from home. Only gave up two chances all game. Still think had we taken off Ibra and Pogba with 15 or 20 left we could have created more on the break.

ericzeking

I would have brought Rooney on up top if he was coming on and brought off Zlatan...I fear the ego of zlatan may be restrictive to how we are able to change it. Does Jose have the balls to call him ashore when required?
Pogba too, can he be subbed off given the fee?
I thought we needed pace up top and a spark from the special Juan in behind.

I really don't know about playing 6 at the back given the money we've spent either.

Herrera, Fellaini, Valenci & DDG very good

markcahill1985

jayo26 wrote:

That's was not overly negative we were more adventurous in the first half but pool defended well we didn't get a chance and we tried to get at ye when milner was taken off we just couldn't work anything but it wasn't for the want of trying to move forward.

jayo26 wrote:

If we had to of went all out attack we would of been caught with pace it would be stupid tactics.

We often played like that under Fergie to
be fair. The 1-0 where O Shea scored last minute was the same and we didn't create a chance only for that one. Had Ibra taken that chance and we won one nil we would be saying it was a tactical masterclass.

Happy with a point. Not many will get one at Anfield this year

Harry Palmr

M!Ck^ wrote: »

You know deep down murpho that you were in the in form team.
We played exactly as we should have, if we played an open style we would have been caught out
We setup to Nick it and we nearly did only for ibra missed a sitter

De Gea made two top saves to stop Liverpool winning that game. Yes LFC were terrible until Lallana came on and it all clicked again (Sturridge will be an ex Liverpool player by Sept 1st 2017),

edgecutter

Jayop wrote: »

Yep no problem being defensive in a game like that away from home. Only gave up two chances all game. Still think had we taken off Ibra and Pogba with 15 or 20 left we could have created more on the break.

We just didn't have the bench. If Mickey and Martial were fit we would have had something.

Liam McPoyle

adox wrote: »

But that's not our current style of play.
I've no problem with those sort of tactics in this sort of game, especially in the context of the season.

Utd looked the more threatening in the first half and Liverpool looked clueless.
Liverpool were the better team in the second half but hardly convincing.

It may not be flashy stuff but there's a certain comfort in knowing your team can be so disciplined like that for 90 minutes. It's the sort of stuff you build foundations on and Uts have been looking for that for the last three seasons.

This, exactly this.

We were completely different from the team that played Leicester as the opposition were completely different.

Jose adapted the squad perfectly.

Klopp has been shown up as being quite dimensional in that if they aren't allowed to press they have no plan B what so ever.

I said before the match Id be happy with a point and i am happy.

It was a disciplined approach and was what was needed to negate the LFC style of play.

Someone mentioned previously that Fergie played ugly when he needed to.

Ive no issue at all.

Giggsy11

Love how much other fans are concerned about ManUtd fans and the style of play we deserve.

murpho999

M!Ck^ wrote: »

You know deep down murpho that you were the in form team.
We played exactly as we should have, if we played an open style we would have been caught out
We setup to Nick it and we nearly did only for ibra missed a sitter

Fair enough, I still don't think it's the normal Utd approach and wonder will fans tire of it if it continues.

bucketybuck

2 months into the season a new manager with a team that hasn't hit form goes to their in-form rivals stadium, plays a very disciplined game and leaves with a point.

For some people, the only problem with that scenario is who the manager was.

I have zero problem with how Jose approached this game, a loss tonight would have seen a bunch of "Is Jose done" bull**** and he was right to see the bigger picture. All we are seeing from games like this is the implementation of a sound defensive structure and work ethic to the team, thats where every manager at any team would start and something Van Gaal got two mind numbing years to try and achieve.

Considering the context, anybody moaning because they didn't see a free flowing attacking performance really needs to catch themselves on.

Happy with the result and performance given the fixture. The match was dull for the most part, but it was actually a joy to watch Ander Herrera go about his game. Without doubt my favourite player at the club, first time I've had one in a fair while.

murpho999

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Love how much other fans are concerned about ManUtd fans and the style of play we deserve.

It's called a discussion, don't see what the problem is with it if done in the right way, which I have tried to do.

edgecutter

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Love how much other fans are concerned about ManUtd fans and the style of play we deserve.

They were expecting to hammer us and being Josed again hurts.

ericzeking

edgecutter wrote: »

We just didn't have the bench. If Mickey and Martial were fit we would have had something.

I really, really hope Martial was injured

how.gareth

J. Marston wrote: »

Ronaldo, £85 million. Instant impact.
Bale, £85-90 million. Instant impact.
Suarez, £70 million. Instant impact.

Tall Paul, £90 million. Intricate haircuts.

Jasis Christ wtf?

Lord TSC

I mean, the draw seems to have gotten Pool fans saltier than a loss would have....

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

De Gea made two top saves to stop Liverpool winning that game. Yes LFC were terrible until Lallana came on and it all clicked again (Sturridge will be an ex Liverpool player by Spet 1st 2017),

This is fine, he made two great saves from half chances.
Utd still had the better of the clear cut chances.
It really didn't click though. Other than those two shots that was it. You are convincing yourself that lallana made a huge difference when he really didn't.

Jayop

edgecutter wrote: »

We just didn't have the bench. If Mickey and Martial were fit we would have had something.

Mata and Rooney. Ibra was awful. Fluffed our only chance and was offside the rest of that game. If Rooney put in a performance like that the thread would have jumped by twenty pages.

Tom.D.BJJ

Very tough game to watch. Six across the back at times.

Herrera was very good.

We need to see better

Giggsy11

murpho999 wrote: »

It's called a discussion, don't see what the problem is with it if done in the right way, which I have tried to do.

I'm not talking about you. Match day thread is absolutely gold with half baked facts.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

Fair enough, I still don't think it's the normal Utd approach and wonder will fans tire of it if it continues.

Jose approached this game specifically.
He hasn't setup this way for any other game so far. He played too lose against city in the first half and we lost because of it.
Against teams Utd expect to win he has approached the games in a more attacking manner.
In the big games he will play it with more care.
He's only been in charge a couple of months just to remind

edgecutter

Jayop wrote: »

Mata and Rooney. Ibra was awful. Fluffed our only chance and was offside the rest of that game. If Rooney put in a performance like that the thread would have jumped by twenty pages.

No, just no.

Rooney just hasn't got it and the game would have bypassed Mata. We needed pace on the wings for the counter.

Flint Fredstone

Lord TSC wrote: »

I mean, the draw seems to have gotten Pool fans saltier than a loss would have....

I have them crying all over my Whatsapp. It's not fair, United didn't let us play... duh.

Unearthly

Was very happy with the way the game went till last 30 minutes. They didn't create much but I was a bit nervous. If Zlatan had scored that header it would have been the perfect away performance

Flint Fredstone

murpho999 wrote: »

It's called a discussion, don't see what the problem is with it if done in the right way, which I have tried to do.

I'd be worried if he did it against Watford at home. You seem surprised that Jose Mourinho went to Anfield not to concede. You have heard of him before yeah?

Mr.Crinklewood

ericzeking wrote: »

I really, really hope Martial was injured

He was

Kerrydude1981

murpho999 wrote: »

Come in peace.

Are Utd fans happy with the current style of play.

Never seen such a negative United side come to Anfield like that before.

Can't imagine Utd fans enjoy that sort of play and tactics. More used to Utd going to Anfield and other way grounds and tryng to win.

Im not too worried about it,if Utd showed up tonight and played an open game then that would be just playing right into Liverpools hands,its something that Jose has done in all the teams he has managed,in big games he sets up to give himself the best chance possible at getting at least a point

Ibra had a great chance and I thought Utd were the better team in the first half and looked very comfortable.

Its winning the bread and butter league games that Utd need to get back doing,get a run going

Jayop

edgecutter wrote: »

No, just no.

Rooney just hasn't got it and the game would have bypassed Mata. We needed pace on the wings for the counter.

We had pace on the wings and when the change was made it didn't add more pace. Not sure how the gane would bypass Mata or how you come to that conclusion considering how well he played multiple times against them. We needed someone to show some composure late in the game. Pogba was a passenger by then and Mata would have been at least as involved and better able to pick a pass.

PhlegmyMoses

Lord TSC wrote: »

I mean, the draw seems to have gotten Pool fans saltier than a loss would have....

Yeah, I'm not seeing what they saw. A parked bus? Maybe in the last 20 but other than that it was just a compact shape, tireless work ethic and discipline away from home in a big game. I don't remember Ibra or Pogba sitting behind the ball with us camped in front of our 18 yard line hoofing stuff away from minute one. It was definitely a performance with defensive shape and solidity as the mainstays, but far from a hugely negative performance, that we scraped out of by the skin of our teeth. If one of your two best chances was a 30 yard shot, you didn't create much.

Liam McPoyle

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Love how much other fans are concerned about ManUtd fans and the style of play we deserve.

Its gas.

You have AIG and yon City fan bemoaning the loss of "The United Way"

AIG flip flops who he supports more than a fish on a boat and the other lad, who supports a team that is kept afloat by money from slave traders.

As if they can possibly afford to comment on any other teams "way"

You couldnt make it up.

Headshot

Gary is so much better than Giggs.

Giggs is your typical company man, wont say anything that may get him in hot water where as Gary has no problem

edgecutter

Jayop wrote: »

We had pace on the wings and when the change was made it didn't add more pace. Not sure how the gane would bypass Mata or how you come to that conclusion considering how well he played multiple times against them. We needed someone to show some composure late in the game. Pogba was a passenger by then and Mata would have been at least as involved and better able to pick a pass.

Mata could have had an influence, but Rooney was more hinderance than help with not tracking Milner.

edgecutter

Headshot wrote: »

Gary is so much better than Giggs.

Giggs is your typical company man, wont say anything that may get him in hot water where as Gary has no problem

Thank god he was never given the job.

Jayop

edgecutter wrote: »

Mata could have had an influence, but Rooney was more hinderance than help with not tracking Milner.

Hence why I said I'd have replaced the completely ineffectual Ibra with Rooney up top. Had we Martial or another striker on the bench I'd have said them but Rooney was the only option. Putting Rooney on the wing was foolish at that stage.

bangkok

Headshot wrote: »

Gary is so much better than Giggs.

Giggs is your typical company man, wont say anything that may get him in hot water where as Gary has no problem

gary used to say nothing about any english players when he was england coach

edgecutter

Jayop wrote: »

Hence why I said I'd have replaced the completely ineffectual Ibra with Rooney up top. Had we Martial or another striker on the bench I'd have said them but Rooney was the only option. Putting Rooney on the wing was foolish at that stage.

Would Rooney have pressed?

Jayop

edgecutter wrote: »

Would Rooney have pressed?

He's done so for about 14 years so I'd imagine he'd have managed 20 minutes pressing at anfield. Honestly I'd have done better than Ibra in that second half. Can't believe he's getting pass in here.

PhlegmyMoses

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

Its gas.

You have AIG and yon City fan bemoaning the loss of "The United Way"

AIG flip flops who he supports more than a fish on a boat and the other lad, who supports a team that is kept afloat by money from slave traders.

As if they can possibly afford to comment on any other teams "way"

You couldnt make it up.

The City fans on here have been by and large hilarious since Pep took charge. It's like when somebody goes to a few philosophy lectures in college and suddenly feels more enlightened than everybody else.

The_Kew_Tour

It's a result business. But we got 3 points last season which we basically stole at Anfield.

That was a good performance.

As a unit that was best performance I have seen from United since Fergie days.

Lord TSC

Jayop wrote: »

He's done so for about 14 years so I'd imagine he'd have managed 20 minutes pressing at anfield. Honestly I'd have done better than Ibra in that second half. Can't believe he's getting pass in here.

Is he getting a pass? Everyone seems in agreement he had a dire game...

edgecutter

Jayop wrote: »

He's done so for about 14 years so I'd imagine he'd have managed 20 minutes pressing at anfield. Honestly I'd have done better than Ibra in that second half. Can't believe he's getting pass in here.

He isn't getting a pass, he was dreadful and I would have rather Rashford to move up top. Rooney is like a pinball, you never know where the ball is going to go with his touch.

Trigger

murpho999 wrote: »

Fair enough, I still don't think it's the normal Utd approach and wonder will fans tire of it if it continues.

Fergie played the exact same way numerous times in big games.. if Jose sets up differently and beats the smaller teams well like he is known to do the fans will have no problem whatsoever..

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Is he getting a pass? Everyone seems in agreement he had a dire game...

He still pressed tirelessly all game and worked his defender
I honestly don't see Rooney having the physique or Fitness to do the same
I was gutted he missed that chance however

Jayop

edgecutter wrote: »

He isn't getting a pass, he was dreadful and I would have rather Rashford to move up top. Rooney is like a pinball, you never know where the ball is going to go with his touch.

A pinball would have been better than eternally offside.

the whole year inn

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

The City fans on here have been by and large hilarious since Pep took charge. It's like when somebody goes to a few philosophy lectures in college and suddenly feels more enlightened than everybody else.

Well thats pure lies.Can you give any examples of this.

Jayop

Lord TSC wrote: »

Is he getting a pass? Everyone seems in agreement he had a dire game...

And that's it, not page after page of teeth gnashing. It was a lazy second half by him.