Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

Cantona's Collars

Anyone here actually buzzing for the derby? The last 3 seasons we were going into such games with trepidation, jaysus,we were even nervous waiting to face the likes of Swansea. The positivity makes a nice change.

StringerBell

Pro. F wrote: »

He will keep coming up in here. Having another thread is fine, but people aren't going to stop talking about him in this thread and they shouldn't be expected to.

There is perpetual discussion about all sorts of things in this thread. Should all those posts be directed to seperate threads too?

Nope, and obviously talking about a United player, in the United thread is going to happen, but when its just the same back and forth over and over and its hardly like anybody is going to give any ground I think its reasonable to take that kind of thing to the Rooney thread.

What was the point of creating the thread otherwise? Just close it if it is not going to help by taking some of the brunt of it

zerks

zerks wrote: »

Anyone here actually buzzing for the derby? The last 3 seasons we were going into such games with trepidation, jaysus,we were even nervous waiting to face the likes of Swansea. The positivity makes a nice change.

Grand to be positive but there are alot of areas to improve and it's still very early days for Jose.
Big test, a win would be huge but it's going to be tough. City have vastly strengthened since last season as have we.
The question I ask is will Jose play defensively and try grind the win? History suggests he may do so.

Pro. F

StringerBell wrote: »

Nope, and obviously talking about a United player, in the United thread is going to happen, but when its just the same back and forth over and over and its hardly like anybody is going to give any ground I think its reasonable to take that kind of thing to the Rooney thread.

What was the point of creating the thread otherwise? Just close it if it is not going to help by taking some of the brunt of it

I do think creating the Rooney thread was pointless. It just causes the conversation to happen in two places rather than one.

Michael D Not Higgins

zerks wrote: »

Anyone here actually buzzing for the derby? The last 3 seasons we were going into such games with trepidation, jaysus,we were even nervous waiting to face the likes of Swansea. The positivity makes a nice change.

Choo choo motherf*ckers!

Mitch Connor

StringerBell wrote: »

Nope, and obviously talking about a United player, in the United thread is going to happen, but when its just the same back and forth over and over and its hardly like anybody is going to give any ground I think its reasonable to take that kind of thing to the Rooney thread.

What was the point of creating the thread otherwise? Just close it if it is not going to help by taking some of the brunt of it

there was no point to creating the other thread.

Rooney will be discussed in here, regardless. It is the natural place for discussion to take place.

I have my opinion on Rooney - and I know deaddonkey and ProF (as two examples defending Rooney) aren't for changing on theirs at the moment (just the same as me) so i just don't engage the conversation any more. It is all that can be done.

If I feel Rooney has played well, I will say it in here.
If I feel Rooney has done crap, I will say it in here.
If I feel he has done crap overall, but scored a good goal or played a nice assist, I will say it in here too.

The other thread is pointless - just something people can point at and say "go post there" - it serves basically no other purpose with respect to this thread.

jayo26

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Grand to be positive but there are alot of areas to improve and it's still very early days for Jose.
Big test, a win would be huge but it's going to be tough. City have vastly strengthened since last season as have we.
The question I ask is will Jose play defensively and try grind the win? History suggests he may do so.

I have no problems with defensive tactics against strong teams it was just not on doing it against teams like Bournemouth.

StringerBell

Pro. F wrote: »

I do think creating the Rooney thread was pointless. It just causes the conversation to happen in two places rather than one.

I agree actually in practice.

In that the thread should just be closed because it is going to be no help whatsoever, much like Mitch I have my own view on Rooney, you have yours, Doc has his and I just don't engage about him anymore.

I apologize for allowing the boredom/frustration of skim reading through the never ending Rooney posts to get to me this morning.

brinty

StringerBell wrote: »

I agree actually in practice.

In that the thread should just be closed because it is going to be no help whatsoever, much like Mitch I have my own view on Rooney, you have yours, Doc has his and I just don't engage about him anymore.

I apologize for allowing the boredom/frustration of skim reading through the never ending Rooney posts to get to me this morning.

Don't ever apologise for something on here mate, it'll fall on deaf ears. You're one of the best posters we have and I for one enjoy reading your views because they're generally well thought out and put forwarded.

I understand the non-engagement on Rooney and I'm doing likewise.

It would be great to have a bit of chat and excitement about the friggin derby this weekend and what we might see. I think Mo might get a start if the big man is still out. sit him at the base of midfield

aperture_nuig

brinty wrote: »

Don't ever apologise for something on here mate, it'll fall on deaf ears. You're one of the best posters we have and I for one enjoy reading your views because they're generally well thought out and put forwarded.

I understand the non-engagement on Rooney and I'm doing likewise.

It would be great to have a bit of chat and excitement about the friggin derby this weekend and what we might see. I think Mo might get a start if the big man is still out. sit him at the base of midfield

On that, do you think Morgan or Herrera are more likely to start? Herrera obviously gives you that bit more going forward, but you'd have to be wary of the pace in that City attack if Herrera pushes up and loses the ball. I'd assume (barring injuries) that we'll see most of the same XI that's started the season, I can't see Mou completely changing the team just to try to counter city's setup.

brinty

brinty wrote: »

Don't ever apologise for something on here mate, it'll fall on deaf ears. You're one of the best posters we have and I for one enjoy reading your views because they're generally well thought out and put forwarded.

I understand the non-engagement on Rooney and I'm doing likewise.

It would be great to have a bit of chat and excitement about the friggin derby this weekend and what we might see. I think Mo might get a start if the big man is still out. sit him at the base of midfield

Fully fit and available dude

brinty

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Fully fit and available dude

Thats my guy M!Ck^

brinty

aperture_nuig wrote: »

On that, do you think Morgan or Herrera are more likely to start? Herrera obviously gives you that bit more going forward, but you'd have to be wary of the pace in that City attack if Herrera pushes up and loses the ball. I'd assume (barring injuries) that we'll see most of the same XI that's started the season, I can't see Mou completely changing the team just to try to counter city's setup.

I think if Fellaini is out it'll be Mo, gives you a better balance in that he'll sit back and break things up. Has the legs too.

Trond

Gutted Bailly isnt available. Possibly offset by Aguero's absense.

Silva is by far their main danger man at the moment and will need serious attention. Anyone know who the ref is ?

Mitch Connor

Trond wrote: »

Gutted Bailly isnt available. Possibly offset by Aguero's absense.

Silva is by far their main danger man at the moment and will need serious attention. Anyone know who the ref is ?

Is Bailly injured? There are no internation matches that would keep him out of the Derby (they were due to play last night, match cancelled).

Mark Clattenberg is the ref at the weekend.

Trond

Trond wrote: »

Gutted Bailly isnt available. Possibly offset by Aguero's absense.

Silva is by far their main danger man at the moment and will need serious attention. Anyone know who the ref is ?

Pep has him playing more like a CM so not 100% sure who will be marking him
I expect Mike to slot in for Baily if he is unavaiable (not sure about that) with Blind holding his position
Shaw & Tony V unchanged
Felaini to sit in front of back 4
Pogba to free roam in mid
Martial to retain left wing based on encouraging performance for France
Rooney to hold #10 with in Ibra up front
Lingard might get the nod @ right wing, bit of pace which is good.

ElChe32

Wait..what happened Bailly?

Trond

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Pep has him playing more like a CM so not 100% sure who will be marking him
I expect Mike to slot in for Baily with Blind holding his position
Shaw & tony V unchanged
Felaini to sit in front of back 4
Pogba to free roam in mid
Martial to retain left wing based on encouraging performance for France
Rooney to hold #10 with in Ibra up front
Lingard might get the nod @ right wing, bit of pace which is good.

I think playing either Rashford or Martial on the left and hopefully Lingard on the right could be key. Need to push them up as far as possible and leave them there. Im far from convinced Peps system suits his current full backs.

Once teams get familiar with playing against their system I can see both Zabaleta and Clichy being shipping out.

Trond

ElChe32 wrote: »

Wait..what happened Bailly?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-liverpool-bailly-11840115

bangkok

Manchester derby weekend, probably one of the best goals scored in premier league history......

https://youtu.be/gKLC7ITp3T0

aperture_nuig

Trond wrote: »

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-liverpool-bailly-11840115

That's in January though?

Delboy5

Trond wrote: »

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-liverpool-bailly-11840115

Thats next January or February....

Trigger

Trond wrote: »

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-liverpool-bailly-11840115

That's the ACON in January :pac:

ElChe32

Yeah that's January Trond...don't be putting the heart sideways in me please.

Trigger

4 posts in a row all saying the same thing.. can't edit now Trond

ElChe32

bangkok wrote: »

Manchester derby weekend, probably one of the best goals scored in premier league history......

https://youtu.be/gKLC7ITp3T0

I'll never forget that goal, was nursing a horrible hangover in a pub in Bucharest, surrounded by a group of City fans on a stag do. Roared the place down. Magic.

Headshot

I vote that we ban Trond for scaring the ****e out of us.

Trond

hehehe wdf! Not sure what happened there!!!

I heard he was injured last night. My apologies!

deaddonkey15

bangkok wrote: »

Manchester derby weekend, probably one of the best goals scored in premier league history......

https://youtu.be/gKLC7ITp3T0

A great goal.

brinty

Trond wrote: »

hehehe wdf! Not sure what happened there!!!

I heard he was injured last night. My apologies!

Could happen to anyone...

Poor adox will be along now in a couple of hours breaking this news!!!!!

Trigger

brinty wrote: »

Could happen to anyone...

Poor Zerks will be along now in a couple of hours breaking this news!!!!!

If you are going to make the Joke at least use the correct person ffs Brinty :P

brinty

astradave wrote: »

If you are going to make the Joke at least use the correct person ffs Brinty :P

I knew i had the wrong name when i was putting it in.

Sorry zerks...

Vic Vinegar

brinty wrote: »

I knew i had the wrong name when i was putting it in.

Sorry zerks...

But yet you still wrote it...

The_Kew_Tour

My favourite Derby win was the 1994 one on a Thursday night beating them 5-0.

Thursday my mum used get me Match Magazine. So get shopping and magazine and in it is a game for Nintendo. I think it was Donkey Kong(open for correction)

So I'm there at 9.30pm that night about go bed for school thinking this is best day ever. United win 5-0 and I got free game for Nintendo!! Life does not get much better.....

Only to realise on the Saturday when I opened it that the game was just a Demo. A fecking demo .

When things are too good to be true, it usually is. I was only 10 though.

StringerBell

Vic Vinegar wrote: »

But yet you still wrote it...

Sometimes you have gone too far to turn back

brinty

Vic Vinegar wrote: »

But yet you still wrote it...

don't know if you're trying to be funny or not???

i was typing the name and saying i'm fairly sure this isn't right, it happens

brinty

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My favourite Derby win was the 1994 one on a Thursday night beating them 5-0.

Thursday my mum used get me Match Magazine. So get shopping and magazine and in it is a game for Nintendo. I think it was Donkey Kong(open for correction)

So I'm there at 9.30pm that night about go bed for school thinking this is best day ever. United win 5-0 and I got free game for Nintendo!! Life does not get much better.....

Only to realise on the Saturday when I opened it that the game was just a Demo. A fecking demo .

When things are too good to be true, it usually is. I was only 10 though.

Was that the night Kanchelskis banged in a hat trick
Man he'd do some damage in the modern game with the speed he had.
Think the chant that night was... whats the time... five past Tracy!!!!

StringerBell

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My favourite Derby win was the 1994 one on a Thursday night beating them 5-0.

Thursday my mum used get me Match Magazine. So get shopping and magazine and in it is a game for Nintendo. I think it was Donkey Kong(open for correction)

So I'm there at 9.30pm that night about go bed for school thinking this is best day ever. United win 5-0 and I got free game for Nintendo!! Life does not get much better.....

Only to realise on the Saturday when I opened it that the game was just a Demo. A fecking demo .

When things are too good to be true, it usually is. I was only 10 though.

Ah the Demolition Derby, good times

The_Kew_Tour

brinty wrote: »

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My favourite Derby win was the 1994 one on a Thursday night beating them 5-0.

Thursday my mum used get me Match Magazine. So get shopping and magazine and in it is a game for Nintendo. I think it was Donkey Kong(open for correction)

So I'm there at 9.30pm that night about go bed for school thinking this is best day ever. United win 5-0 and I got free game for Nintendo!! Life does not get much better.....

Only to realise on the Saturday when I opened it that the game was just a Demo. A fecking demo .

When things are too good to be true, it usually is. I was only 10 though.

Was that the night Kanchelskis banged in a hat trick
Man he'd do some damage in the modern game with the speed he had.
Think the chant that night was... whats the time... five past Tracy!!!!

It sure was. He was immense that night

brinty

The_Kew_Tour wrote:

It sure was. He was immense that night

That whole season
Then he went to Everton and the Russian mafia links started appearing

Cantona's Collars

astradave wrote: »

If you are going to make the Joke at least use the correct person ffs Brinty :P

:p

Cantona's Collars

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aguero-elbow-man-city-halsey-11844777

Calls for Aguero's ban to be temporarily lifted while Mark Halsey's claims are investigated.

Flint Fredstone

zerks wrote: »

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aguero-elbow-man-city-halsey-11844777

Calls for Aguero's ban to be temporarily lifted while Mark Halsey's claims are investigated.

Couldn't even make it further than the first few paragraphs. The whine of it all.
Justice was served, end of story.

StringerBell

zerks wrote: »

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aguero-elbow-man-city-halsey-11844777

Calls for Aguero's ban to be temporarily lifted while Mark Halsey's claims are investigated.

I can imagine a few of my City supporting mates (well, all 2 of them) turning up to the FA offices likes this alright

^LOL straws be grasped
tut tut Mark

Michael D Not Higgins

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Couldn't even make it further than the first few paragraphs. The whine of it all.
Justice was served, end of story.

Yeah they conveniently leave out the fact that Aguero did something wrong and was rightly punished for it. What's their explanation for the ref seeing it and not doing anything?

RobertKK

In other news...
Luke Shaw talks about rejecting Jose and Jose criticising over what he wanted to be paid.
"We spoke about it. He said it to me at first. I was just going to leave it, but he had a joke about it. There are no hard feelings," Shaw said.
"I just thought that I had a better chance of playing at United (than at Chelsea). Patrice Evra was leaving (United), whereas Chelsea had a solid back four that I knew Jose liked.
"So even though Chelsea were much closer to my home, I felt United were the better choice. I was never focused on the money. It was about football."

Raiola says he is happy for Pogba and Ibrahimovic (he forgot to mention Mkhitaryan) as they are at a winning project.
Raiola also said he doesn't like Klopp and how he treated poor Mario B "I’m not judging him as a trainer - I don't like him as a trainer at all - but you have to let him play.”

Raiola also said the Pogba deal was being worked on for over a year.
"Pogba was a deal that we were working on already for a year – maybe longer.” “It was a complex deal as it involves a lot of parties and involves a lot of high stakes rights and it is difficult to get them all aligned.”
“I work for the player, that is always very clear, so try to do what is in the interests of the player, what is his wishes, and I try to keep that always in mind.”

A £200 million signing just a few years away says Raiola: “How the economy is evolving, especially in the Premier League, we will not be far away - within three or four years - from a £200m deal.

Raiola is reported to have received a £7 million fee for the transfer of Mkhitaryan. A very profitable summer for Mino.

bangkok

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Yeah they conveniently leave out the fact that Aguero did something wrong and was rightly punished for it. What's their explanation for the ref seeing it and not doing anything?

To be honest I think the ref did see but thought nothing of it at the time. Seen the reply after the game and said to himself I should have given him a red. He is only human, he made a mistake. Then he told the fa he didn't see, aguero gets the ban he fully deserved.

Michael D Not Higgins

bangkok wrote: »

To be honest I think the ref did see but thought nothing of it at the time. Seen the reply after the game and said to himself I should have given him a red. He is only human, he made a mistake. Then he told the fa he didn't see, aguero gets the ban he fully deserved.

That's plausible and maybe a lot of refs actually do do that, but it leaves a system where refs either admit a mistake and leave the player unpunished while they are open to scrutiny or pretend you didn't see it and leave the slow motion replays to the committee.

If anything, they should be campaigning for a better review system.

Flint Fredstone

Was there not a rule change that allows the FA to take action even if the ref has seen it but didn't action it? Or did I imagine that?