Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

paulbok

bangkok wrote: »

Manchester derby weekend, probably one of the best goals scored in premier league history......

https://youtu.be/gKLC7ITp3T0

Yeah, great goal and all, but what else did he do all game? :-SS











/Runs, doesn't look back

bangkok

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Was there not a rule change that allows the FA to take action even if the ref has seen it but didn't action it? Or did I imagine that?

Yea that rule came in after Wigan Newcastle game a few years ago.

Flint Fredstone

bangkok wrote: »

Yea that rule came in after Wigan Newcastle game a few years ago.

So that would make this whole charade pointless?

magnumbud

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Was there not a rule change that allows the FA to take action even if the ref has seen it but didn't action it? Or did I imagine that?

i think he has to not mention it in his report afterwards. if say he said he saw it and didnt think it was worth taking action i still think their hands are tied which is a very stupid rule really

Mitch Connor

I think in cases of extreme conduct (basically the press/media/mothers of the children kick up enough fuss) they can step in according to some rule they mad up.

Jayop

bangkok wrote: »

To be honest I think the ref did see but thought nothing of it at the time. Seen the reply after the game and said to himself I should have given him a red. He is only human, he made a mistake. Then he told the fa he didn't see, aguero gets the ban he fully deserved.

You can see something and not see it at the same time. You can see the challenge and see the flailing arm but not see it as being an intentional elbow. In that instance you are absolutely right to say you didn't see it properly and have it reviewed.

Mitch Connor

Jayop wrote: »

You can see something and not see it at the same time. You can see the challenge and see the flailing arm but not see it as being an intentional elbow. In that instance you are absolutely right to say you didn't see it properly and have it reviewed.

But you can't say that at the moment. Oncethe ref says they saw it that should be the end of it according to the rules as they are.

I do think the ref should be able to admit they got it wrong and apply retrospective punishment. The current situation is stupid.

Jayop

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But you can't say that at the moment. Oncethe ref says they saw it that should be the end of it according to the rules as they are.

I do think the ref should be able to admit they got it wrong and apply retrospective punishment. The current situation is stupid.

Well if the ref sees me putting my hands on your face, but doesn't see that I stuck a finger in your eye, did he see the incident or not?

Michael D Not Higgins

Jayop wrote: »

Well if the ref sees me putting my hands on your face, but doesn't see that I stuck a finger in your eye, did he see the incident or not?

And therein lies the confusion of the rules. Does the ref just have to have not seen anything or just not seen the actual infringing contact?

Jayop

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

And therein lies the confusion of the rules. Does the ref just have to have not seen anything or just not seen the actual infringing contact?

I thought it was the latter. Didn't someone get a ban a while back for stamping on januzaj at Fulham even though the ref seen the challenge but not the stamp?

Jayop

Actually it seems I'm wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/06/sascha-reither-ban-stamp-adnan-januzaj-fulham

Riether becomes the first player punished by the FA under its new retrospective action scheme, amended in July to allow the authorities to hand down sanctions when a match official's view of an incident has been obstructed, with three former referees now reviewing video evidence of incidents not seen. Marouane Fellaini and Pajtim Kasami were also involved in the melee at Fulham last Saturday, leaving Probert's view obscured.

Fulham were understood to be considering challenging the charge after Chelsea's Fernando Torres escaped retrospective punishment in September. Torres scratched the face of Tottenham's Jan Verthongen but avoided a sanction because the FA said that officials saw a "coming together" between the players

Michael D Not Higgins

So if a ref were to see an incident but wasn't sure of what exactly happened, what is he to do? Let the player get away with it or leave it for the review panel and their slow motion replays to deal with?

I'm not even surprised the referees and PGMOL are trying to protect themselves from criticism by doing this. It lets justice be done the only way it can within the current rules. No ref wants to be shown a replay later and then admit they were wrong.

Jayop

It's stupid but I don't know if that still applies just like that.

jayo26

The thing about it is at least the United fans debate it where as the others just scream conspiracy

Way I see it is he was absolutely guilty no doubt about it the thing that makes it sweeter is that they feel hard done by it.

Jayop

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/promising-manchester-united-youngster-becomes-irish-citizen-receives-ireland-u21-call/94319?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Promoted+Post&utm_campaign=SportsJOE_sep16

United's U21 keeper has just got an Irish passport and a call up to the U21 side. Can't say I've managed to catch any U21 games recently so I don't know what this lad is like.

jayo26

Rashford leads the attack for the English u21s tonight with some other well known Tallents in the side also Martin oddeguard starts for Norway I have never actually seen him play apart from one football manager of course




Game on bt sport 5.45

Jayop

Loftus Cheek and Rashford should be in the senior squad. Two mega talented kids that they should build the side around.

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

Loftus Cheek and Rashford should be in the senior squad. Two mega talented kids that they should build the side around.

I don't think two years of u21 football do them any harm at all give them valuable tournament experience.

Chris_Bradley

Looking forward to this City game on Sat.

Genuine chance of stuffing them with or without Aguero imo.

Jayop

jayo26 wrote: »

I don't think two years of u21 football do them any harm at all give them valuable tournament experience.

The England team is full of Sr Pro's that they know are not good enough. Henderson starts every game and clearly isn't any good at that level. Loftus Cheek is the future and should be given a chance to shine. Rashford is someone who even if he doesn't start can make a huge impact off the bench and will score goals. I'd have both of them in my sr England squad

Trigger

Jayop wrote: »

The England team is full of Sr Pro's that they know are not good enough. Henderson starts every game and clearly isn't any good at that level. Loftus Cheek is the future and should be given a chance to shine. Rashford is someone who even if he doesn't start can make a huge impact off the bench and will score goals. I'd have both of them in my sr England squad

I don't know what it is but I just can't see Big Sam give the young players many chances. Think he will stick with experience for this campaign anyways

Jayop

astradave wrote: »

I don't know what it is but I just can't see Big Sam give the young players many chances. Think he will stick with experience for this campaign anyways

Yep, stick with the same team that failed before. Sure fire success! :pac:

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

The England team is full of Sr Pro's that they know are not good enough. Henderson starts every game and clearly isn't any good at that level. Loftus Cheek is the future and should be given a chance to shine. Rashford is someone who even if he doesn't start can make a huge impact off the bench and will score goals. I'd have both of them in my sr England squad

Problem with that is Rashford needs game time for long term development as does rlc. Both look to be top class Tallent but neither are regular starters for club or country and more games theyou actually play the better.

Jayop

jayo26 wrote: »

Problem with that is Rashford needs game time for long term development as does rlc. Both look to be top class Tallent but neither are regular starters for club or country and more games theyou actually play the better.

It's the bench on the first team Vs starting for the ressies argument. Personally a mix of both is the best, but providing they're getting an average of ~20 minutes a game for the first team then I'd leave them there. You'll learn more training with the first team, and playing with/against better players even for small amounts of time imo.

RobertKK

Jayop wrote: »

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/promising-manchester-united-youngster-becomes-irish-citizen-receives-ireland-u21-call/94319?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Promoted+Post&utm_campaign=SportsJOE_sep16

United's U21 keeper has just got an Irish passport and a call up to the U21 side. Can't say I've managed to catch any U21 games recently so I don't know what this lad is like.

Interesting, on the Paddy Crerand show someone rang in from Ireland to say this was the first time since 1935 that the United did not have an Irish player in the squad with the sale of Paddy McNair.
OK he is in the underage squad.

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

It's the bench on the first team Vs starting for the ressies argument. Personally a mix of both is the best, but providing they're getting an average of ~20 minutes a game for the first team then I'd leave them there. You'll learn more training with the first team, and playing with/against better players even for small amounts of time imo.

Very rarely will 18 year old get into an international team apart from the exception. Playing games is what developed them and 20 mins the odd time for England won't.

On average they play say 10 games a year if he got on as a sub in about 6 or 7 of them that's only about 140 minutes of football. Play in the u21s he could have about 900 minutes and tournament experience.

He is already training with the first team at United so he is learning alot there.

If he was a regular starter in the United team like he was last year I'd say Yeh give him a go in the seniors but he ain't and by looks of it he won't be this year but that's no harm he is only 18 leave him developed physically some more also.

Jayop

I'd say Rashford will start around 10 games this season for United. League cup and if we manage to qualify early from the Europa group, those games as well as any games that Zlatan isn't fit for. Add those 900 minutes to all the sub apps he'll make especially if he does well then he should get a nice amount of game time.

I take your point though Jayo.

RobertKK

Love Rashford, great goal.

Jayop

RobertKK wrote: »

Love Rashford, great goal.

ell of course he was going to score. It's a debut ffs.

RobertKK

Good international real bar Henrikh getting injured.
Couple of assists for Pogba, Martial scoring, Rashford scoring,.
Rashford should be starting on Saturday with Martial and Rooney as he won't be dropped when he is getting important assists.

Jayop

https://twitter.com/Vthota111/status/773209016646377473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

TheDoc

zerks wrote: »

Anyone here actually buzzing for the derby? The last 3 seasons we were going into such games with trepidation, jaysus,we were even nervous waiting to face the likes of Swansea. The positivity makes a nice change.

Yup, really anticipating it here.

Mostly because I can see us winning, and potentially blowing City away. I know its rough to say and probably a bit jinxy, but find their team shockingly over rated. When you look at that squad on paper outside of that front 4, it's not really this glistening strong squad it's made out.

Without Aguero I think we will handle Inacho(spellcheck) comfortably and it will be about dealing with Sterling, De Bruyne and Silva. Again I'm confident from what our team has shwon so far, some good defensive solidity. And I think our front line could really rip them to shreds. That defence is pretty frail, and the high line they are using will be a wet dream to Martial/Rashford.

I'll be surprised if Guardiola doesn't deploy a more defensive lineup, but if he does his usual, I think we could really win this with a big statement.

So many good little matchups around the pitch also. I kinda love how English media,fans and pundits have been going generally mental about John Stones(to whom I struggle to understand the hype) when we have had Blind doing the same, and substantially better, in our team for two years now

TheDoc

Jayop wrote: »

The England team is full of Sr Pro's that they know are not good enough. Henderson starts every game and clearly isn't any good at that level. Loftus Cheek is the future and should be given a chance to shine. Rashford is someone who even if he doesn't start can make a huge impact off the bench and will score goals. I'd have both of them in my sr England squad

Henderson is definitely one of ones that consistently puzzles me. Seems to have so much general support in England too.

It's mental he starts for England and plays for Liverpool...mental

Jayop

TheDoc wrote: »

Henderson is definitely one of ones that consistently puzzles me. Seems to have so much general support in England too.

It's mental he starts for England and plays for Liverpool...mental

Runs a lot, puts in tackles and shouts at people.

Commitment innit.

Lord TSC

I am really looking forward to playing a team that doesn't park ten men behind the ball. Granted, we will probably do so ourself, but I look forward to seeing how we do against a team playing open football...

Jayop

Lord TSC wrote: »

I am really looking forward to playing a team that doesn't park ten men behind the ball. Granted, we will probably do so ourself, but I look forward to seeing how we do against a team playing open football...

lol I was gearing up to type that after reading the first line.

TheDoc

Jayop wrote: »

Runs a lot, puts in tackles and shouts at people.

Commitment innit.

pash-un

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

Henderson is definitely one of ones that consistently puzzles me. Seems to have so much general support in England too.

It's mental he starts for England and plays for Liverpool...mental

I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't think he's that bad either. Who do you think should be playing instead of him for England?

jayo26

Rashford is seriously some Tallent so excited.

Manutd_4life

Fantastic goal. Big Sam looked impressed. Not sure what he was saying but it kinda looked like 'Good Boy'

He should definitely be in the England squad but atm he needs to be playing and at 21s he will be

keane2097

Pro. F wrote: »

Was Keane2097's post deleted?

Just in case anyone thinks there's anything unfair going on here, I deleted that post myself.

I've made the same point in the past, couldn't expect any good to come of it with the rabble and it was probably needlessly insulting to at least some people I think are mostly nice.

Jayop

Pro. F wrote: »

I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't think he's that bad either. Who do you think should be playing instead of him for England?

Depends if he's deployed as an attacking CM or a defensive one. For me he's better further forward will less responsibility but he rarely seems to play there any more being deployed in a deep playmaker role that he's completely unsuited for.

England don't have much strength in depth in CM at the minute, especially going forward.

Dier
Alli
Wiltshire
Barkley
Drinkwater
Delph
Mason
Loftus-Cheek

Hopefully I didn't leave anyone out but that's the options they have and they're pretty poor really. That's why they should probably scrap the likes of Henderson and set their stall out with a Barkley or try RLC.

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

I'd say Rashford will start around 10 games this season for United. League cup and if we manage to qualify early from the Europa group, those games as well as any games that Zlatan isn't fit for. Add those 900 minutes to all the sub apps he'll make especially if he does well then he should get a nice amount of game time.

I take your point though Jayo.

Looking at that team tonight they are a seriously talented bunch of lads what they should be doing is keeping a squad like them together for 15 to 20 games at least allow them to go to the u21s tournaments then take the top five or six players and integrate them into the seniors they know each other but also won't be any pushovers when it comes to the other senior players.

Lord TSC

Jayop wrote: »

lol I was gearing up to type that after reading the first line.

Wouldn't be at all shocked if both Pep and Jose play a very conservative game and would be happy to take a draw to avoid the fallout of losing that match.

jayo26

Ahh lads Rashford is just something else I'm obsessed what a goal he just scored

Rossi IRL

Rashers should start.

Drop Martial or Rooney and give the lad a run of games.

MuPpItJoCkEy

Rashford scores again. Love it!

jayo26

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Rashers should start.

Drop Martial or Rooney and give the lad a run of games.

He seems to be drifting in from the left tonight and he just has tons of space to do what he wants.

Rossi IRL

Hattrick for Rashers

jayo26

Got his ha trick with a penalty great performance from him.