Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

jayo26

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Jayop

Ah Jayo.

Why for the love of God, Whyyyyyyy???




Also, was it a pen tonight by them? I missed it and a lad in work reckons it was harsh.

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

Ah Jayo.

Why for the love of God, Whyyyyyyy???




Also, was it a pen tonight by them? I missed it and a lad in work reckons it was harsh.

It was sloppy play led up to the pen but they deserved to go in as a draw at half time.

Flint Fredstone

Jayop wrote: »

Ah Jayo.

Why for the love of God, Whyyyyyyy???




Also, was it a pen tonight by them? I missed it and a lad in work reckons it was harsh.

No argument from me on the penalty. A fraction late but he looked to have caught him.

Jayop

No bother, was just wondering if we had been rode by the ref 4 games in a row rather than just 3.

StringerBell

jayo26 wrote: »

Silly inaccurate pic





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Silly incorrect picture is a silly incorrect picture.

adox

Jayop wrote: »

No bother, was just wondering if we had been rode by the ref 4 games in a row rather than just 3.

The game was verging on getting out of control due to the ref letting Northampton away with some industrial challenges.

Tackle on Memphis got a yellow that should have been a red and then three of four challenges after that with no cards.

brinty

jayo26 wrote: »

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FFs jayo
How many games has each played
What's the average goals per game ratio
Stats man

Won't you think of the stats

adox

They are a league 1 side, not league 2!!!

tastyt

As a non united fan but a big Rooney fan I find whats happening hard to watch and listen to.

I feel sorry for Rooney. Now its easy to say hes on x a week dont feel sorry for him and blah blah blah. But the mans powers are fading dramatically in front of our eyes. He was once a force of nature, pace , power, anger, goals, assists, moments of absolute brilliance like the bicycle against city and volley against Newcastle.

The reason I find it hard to watch is that he will always try, you can see he is desperate to be what he once was but he cant turn back the clock. I think he definitely needs a change of club and it might invigorate him like it did torres, maybe a move back to Everton.

Unfortunately it will probably end for united fans with Rooneys reputation in tatters but he was a brilliant player and I hope that in time hel be remembered like that. I totally understand United fans frustrations now though and mourinho is doing him no favours by not giving him time out of the side

Jayop

Just seen the Carrick goal. That lad should have been getting at least 6 every seasons. Never shot often enough.

newballsplease

tastyt wrote: »

As a non united fan but a big Rooney fan I find whats happening hard to watch and listen to.

I feel sorry for Rooney. Now its easy to say hes on x a week dont feel sorry for him and blah blah blah. But the mans powers are fading dramatically in front of our eyes. He was once a force of nature, pace , power, anger, goals, assists, moments of absolute brilliance like the bicycle against city and volley against Newcastle.

The reason I find it hard to watch is that he will always try, you can see he is desperate to be what he once was but he cant turn back the clock. I think he definitely needs a change of club and it might invigorate him like it did torres, maybe a move back to Everton.

Unfortunately it will probably end for united fans with Rooneys reputation in tatters but he was a brilliant player and I hope that in time hel be remembered like that. I totally understand United fans frustrations now though and mourinho is doing him no favours by not giving him time out of the side

The fact that hes being playing constantly since he was 16 years old is showing.
His legs are gone...his pace,his touch etc.
I dont think its a confidence issue... i just think hes not near the same player as he used to be and theres no going back. Hes 31 in a month but hes playing like a 36 year old.
A move is best for all.
Anyone know when his contract is up?

Pro. F

M!Ck^ wrote: »

1 What's worse is I have watched him drift into midfield 4 times now and he's the striker

2 Strayed a mile offside when Fosu mensah headed into the crossbar

3 Ballooned a cross under no pressure

4 Took the fee kick and Hit it straight at the wall

And that's just in 40 minutes

5 And have a guess who gave the ball away, just prior to that penalty, outside the oposition penalty area

1: A striker dropping deep occasionally, like the majority of strikers do in every game. And when the team are dominating the opposition and getting the midfielders and wide players into the box frequently it is even more normal for the striker to drop out at times. Rooney was still showing for passes off the shoulder and getting in position for the final ball in the box loads.

2: He was offside when Fosu-Mensah headed the ball because he had made a run for the pass from Schneiderlin. Schneiderlin chipped the pass out wide instead. This is the type of thing that happens hundreds of times in the top leagues every week and is not an error on anybody's part.

3: The cross he sliced was from chasing a through ball and just getting on to it as it was going over the bye-line. He was also crossing it off his left foot. Slicing that cross in that situation was a complete non-issue.

4: No, he hit it at the gap that Young was endeavouring to make at the end of the wall. When a free is that close to goal there is no option but to keep it low and then it's a bit of a lottery as to where it will bounce. That free-kick was perfectly fine.

5: A forward giving the ball away outside the opposition penalty area is not a problem. Except for tiki-taka teams, it happens all the time, from even the best forwards. The ball still had to travel past our midfield, past our defence, into our box, get cleared poorly, get pounced on by the opposition again when our defenders didn't react quick enough and then get passed inside the box again before the penalty was given away. But sure yeah, the forward who gave the ball away at the other end of the pitch was important in that goal.

spiralism

tastyt wrote: »

As a non united fan but a big Rooney fan I find whats happening hard to watch and listen to.

I feel sorry for Rooney. Now its easy to say hes on x a week dont feel sorry for him and blah blah blah. But the mans powers are fading dramatically in front of our eyes. He was once a force of nature, pace , power, anger, goals, assists, moments of absolute brilliance like the bicycle against city and volley against Newcastle.

The reason I find it hard to watch is that he will always try, you can see he is desperate to be what he once was but he cant turn back the clock. I think he definitely needs a change of club and it might invigorate him like it did torres, maybe a move back to Everton.

Unfortunately it will probably end for united fans with Rooneys reputation in tatters but he was a brilliant player and I hope that in time hel be remembered like that. I totally understand United fans frustrations now though and mourinho is doing him no favours by not giving him time out of the side

I'd feel more sorry for him if he wasn't destabilising the dressing room at a crucial time by ratting to his journo buddies the minute something goes wrong, all the while putting in consistent 3/10 performances. He's done a lot for the club for sure but at the moment he's undoubtedly doing a lot more harm than good.

Jayop

spiralism wrote: »

I'd feel more sorry for him if he wasn't destabilising the dressing room at a crucial time by ratting to his journo buddies the minute something goes wrong, all the while putting in consistent 3/10 performances. He's done a lot for the club for sure but at the moment he's undoubtedly doing a lot more harm than good.

My God.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Pro. F wrote: »

Yes, yes and no.

Out of all the Rooney talk over, this is the one that really stands out to me, tbh.

Wayne Rooney's touch has never, is not and will never be as good as Zlatan Ibrahimovic's. That's just completely false.

spiralism

Jayop wrote: »

My God.

Do elaborate. He's been playing like absolute ****e and that's clear as day. And as for being the leak, who else is it? It's a senior player who was there in the Fergie days. That immediately narrows it to a handful of players. Rooney is the only one of those with previous for being disruptive and is badly underperforming, this takes focus off him.

In addition his agent has links with the journalist leaking the majority of stories and there were also links from the England squad in the euros, to the same journalist no less. Going off the basis that it's the same leak as it's the same journalist, that leaves Rooney and Smalling, as Young and Carrick weren't in the England squad at the euros. One has previous and his agent is close to the journalist breaking the story. Hmm.

spiralism

spiralism wrote: »

Do elaborate. He's been playing like absolute ****e and that's clear as day. And as for being the leak, who else is it? It's a senior player who was there in the Fergie days. That immediately narrows it to a handful of players. Rooney is the only one of those with previous for being disruptive and is badly underperforming, this takes focus off him.

In addition his agent has links with the journalist leaking the majority of stories and there were also links from the England squad in the euros, to the same journalist no less. Going off the basis that it's the same leak as it's the same journalist, that leaves Rooney and Smalling, as Young and Carrick weren't in the England squad at the euros. One has previous and his agent is close to the journalist breaking the story. Hmm.

"Well it wasn't Phil Jones, his jaw would fall off if he talked" - Some reddit poster :pac:

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

1: A striker dropping deep occasionally, like the majority of strikers do in every game. And when the team are dominating the opposition and getting the midfielders and wide players into the box frequently it is even more normal for the striker to drop out at times. Rooney was still showing for passes off the shoulder and getting in position for the final ball in the box loads.

2: He was offside when Fosu-Mensah headed the ball because he had made a run for the pass from Schneiderlin. Schneiderlin chipped the pass out wide instead. This is the type of thing that happens hundreds of times in the top leagues every week and is not an error on anybody's part.

3: The cross he sliced was from chasing a through ball and just getting on to it as it was going over the bye-line. He was also crossing it off his left foot. Slicing that cross in that situation was a complete non-issue.

4: No, he hit it at the gap that Young was endeavouring to make at the end of the wall. When a free is that close to goal there is no option but to keep it low and then it's a bit of a lottery as to where it will bounce. That free-kick was perfectly fine.

5: A forward giving the ball away outside the opposition penalty area is not a problem. Except for tiki-taka teams, it happens all the time, from even the best forwards. The ball still had to travel past our midfield, past our defence, into our box, get cleared poorly, get pounced on by the opposition again when our defenders didn't react quick enough and then get passed inside the box again before the penalty was given away. But sure yeah, the forward who gave the ball away at the other end of the pitch was important in that goal.

Denial I say

Why bother dissecting? Anyone with a pair of eyes would agree with what I pointed out.
Even someone who can post and watch the TV simultaneously. Shining a positive light on mediocrity.

Someone should applaud you for your effort over the last few weeks but it's not going to be me.

I wouldn't mind but I was one of those who has defended Rooney in the past but enough is enough.

IMO I have figured out why these arguments go on the way they do.

Someone uses the word lazy, go through the post with a fine tooth comb identify the word lazy as the next angle to bore people to death with 20+ posts until the poster gives up.

I'd say 9/10 fans really know what he means. He's frustrated at watching a player who no longer has what it takes to play in the first 11 for Man Utd.

My last post post on Rooney with you. Don't post to me about him again please. Think it's best.

beno619

baz2009 wrote: »

Out of all the Rooney talk over, this is the one that really stands out to me, tbh.

Wayne Rooney's touch has never, is not and will never be as good as Zlatan Ibrahimovic's. That's just completely false.

Don't disagree but if we were talking about what Zlaten has displayed as a United player they are not far off.

Been a bit disappointed with his touch and use of the ball so far.

The_Kew_Tour

Rushford deserves credit for the attitude for 3rd goal too

Deserves to start at weekend for that alone. Showing leadership there.

Liam McPoyle

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Rushford deserves credit for the attitude for 3rd goal too

Deserves to start at weekend for that alone. Showing leadership there.

Carrick and Ander deserve a start at the weekend.

Morgan staked a claim.

As did Rashers.

Going to be very interesting to see how we line out but I fear we already know the first name on the team sheet already....

Rossi IRL

Id play a midfield 3 of at the weekend

Carrick
Herrera - Podba

Stick Rashford in left wing and Miki in right wing if he is fit.

Polo_Mint

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Miki in right wing if he is fit.

I'm curious about this

I haven't seen anything from Miki so far to suggest he should start in the first XI

https://twitter.com/KickAssCantona/status/778717427601317889

Liam McPoyle

Polo_Mint wrote: »

I'm curious about this

I haven't seen anything from Miki so far to suggest he should start in the first XI

Barring a disastrous first half against The Arabs he has done pretty well in any of his cameos I thought. Even at that the entire team were shockingly bad in that 45.

bangkok

Finally a few people starting to see the light, carrick Herrera pogba midfield is the best we have at the club

DM_7

Carrick is good but he was playing with Morgan, Herrera and Blind around him.

For the next game I bet Fellaini would look very good with Pogba, Herrera and Blind around him (based on his start to the season).

DM_7

DM_7 wrote: »

Carrick is good but he was playing with Morgan, Herrera and Blind around him.

For the next game I bet Fellaini would look very good with Pogba, Herrera and Blind around him (based on his start to the season).

Competition is healthy to a certain degree but Jose needs to focus on what his best 11 are. He doesn't know yet.

bangkok

DM_7 wrote: »

Carrick is good but he was playing with Morgan, Herrera and Blind around him.

For the next game I bet Fellaini would look very good with Pogba, Herrera and Blind around him (based on his start to the season).

Fellaini or anybody for that matter at the club don't have the passing skills of carrick.

sReq | uTeK

Just my 2 cents on the game last night.

People are saying Rooney crossed well, ran well , defended well but couldn't pass the ball 5 yards. However, the only thing of importance to me is that Overall I thought he was pretty average.

I thought Herrera was very neat and tidy in possession, one of his passes for Rojo in the 1st half in behind the defence with his 1st touch was sublime, I also think he's a real goal threat and he's not afraid to have a shot.

Carrick was good, but he's always consistently good, and with the amount of time given to him by northhampton you'd expect him to control the game. I don't think he gets that amount of time if he plays with Herrera with Pogba ahead.

Morgan was good, broke up play but carried the ball and drove when he had the chance. Few misplaced passes but nothing too much to worry about.

Fosu-Mensah, all i remember was his hands going up on numerous occasions trying to play offside only for him to jog back (or so it looked) when the decision wasn't given. Thought he was very poor with the ball. He was unlucky not to score. On last nights evidence I wouldn't be putting him at right back.

A win we needed badly, if we can follow this up with a result against the league champs on saturday it will be a good week.

VW 1

Polo_Mint wrote:

I haven't seen anything from Miki so far to suggest he should start in the first XI

Based on his couple of cameos and one start while injured for United, or on his overall ability when you include his Dortmund time also? He's a highly skilled operator settling into a new team, he will become a fixture in our best XI by seasons end.

He has done well in the cameos given and struggled in the start he got, supposedly due to injury.

Pro. F

baz2009 wrote: »

Out of all the Rooney talk over, this is the one that really stands out to me, tbh.

Wayne Rooney's touch has never, is not and will never be as good as Zlatan Ibrahimovic's. That's just completely false.

In the past I would agree. But this season Ibra and Rooney have been pretty much the same at holding onto and laying off the ball with their first touch.

StringerBell

I know a lot of ye like it, but is there any chance a mod could make referring to Rashford as "Rashers" a stoning offence?

Little help here TSC?

StringerBell

StringerBell wrote: »

I know a lot of ye like it, but is there any chance a mod could make referring to Rashford as "Rashers" a stoning offence?

Little help here TSC?

Awww

Booo

StringerBell

Its beginning to make my eyeballs bleed when I am catching up on the thread

Pro. F

StringerBell wrote: »

Its beginning to make my eyeballs bleed when I am catching up on the thread

Remember the nickname Viper? I think that was it. Remember who that was for?

StringerBell

Pro. F wrote: »

Remember the nickname Viper? I think that was it. Remember who that was for?

No, it rings a bell but it seems to have been permanently blocked out from my memory

Was it Adnan? I remember a spate of nicknames at one point but thankfully it seems to have become one of those repressed memories!

Pro. F

It was Ronaldo's nickname from this thread. Sometimes spelled "v7per" for added 1337-ness. Only Ronaldo could have carried it off. But, you have to think Rashford deserves more than to be called after a breakfast meat.

magnumbud

nail on the head

TheDoc

Nalz wrote: »

Missed the game, my first arrived today at 11:43am. Another United fab enters the world.

Delighted

Heard a certain player was below par again? Howd the rest do? Rojo do anything to warrant his place in the squad?

Wahay congrats man!

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

Finally a few people starting to see the light, carrick Herrera pogba midfield is the best we have at the club

35 year old champion league and serial league winner, puts in a good performance against league 1 side.....

I'll be surprised to see Carrick feature against Leicester.

Hererra and Schneiderlan from their Europa and last night performances have definitely given Mourinho something to think about.

Rooney just further compounded his misery and has made Mourinho's decision just easy at this stage. He should be on the bench for Saturday.

Other than that no real changes I'd say. Rashford probably further pushing his place in the team, at the likely expense of Martial.

Probably expect a return of Bailly and Smalling at the weekend.

Memphis gradually rebuilding himself, quietly positive about him again. It wasn't mind blowing, but it was a step in the right direction.

StringerBell

Pro. F wrote: »

It was Ronaldo's nickname from this thread. Sometimes spelled "v7per" for added 1337-ness. Only Ronaldo could have carried it off. But, you have to think Rashford deserves more than to be called after a breakfast meat.

Ah yeah its all flooding back V7per Bit better then Rashers in fairness!

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

Fellaini or anybody for that matter at the club don't have the passing skills of carrick.

Blind is just as competent as Carrick. And Blind has the added benefit of not ****ting a brick when he gets put under a bit of pressure.

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

In the past I would agree. But this season Ibra and Rooney have been pretty much the same at holding onto and laying off the ball with their first touch.

They really havn't.

Feels like you've put so much effort into defending Rooney your starting to make your own outrageous statements you accuse others off.

Zlatan's interplay and one touch layoffs have been so far superior to Rooney.

Granted Zlatan has had some lose touches too here and there, Rooney hasn't been close. Just not close.

unplayable

Who is gonna play left back on sat with shaw out because rojo surely can't? What about blind left back with bailly and smalling CB.

Then
Carrick
Herrera pogba
Rashford someone (prob Rooney even though he shouldn't play)
Ibra

unplayable details who should play and shouldn't play on Saturday
I found a giggle somewhere

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

They really havn't.

...

Zlatan's interplay and one touch layoffs have been so far superior to Rooney.

Granted Zlatan has had some lose touches too here and there, Rooney hasn't been close. Just not close.

They really have.

Zlatan has had more than a few loose touches and poorly placed lay-offs. But he has been more often playing in a more difficult role in that regard (right at the point). Overall, the two of them have been similar in terms of quality of first touch.

TheDoc wrote: »

Feels like you've put so much effort into defending Rooney your starting to make your own outrageous statements you accuse others off.

Blah, blah, blah.

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

Blind is just as competent as Carrick. And Blind has the added benefit of not ****ting a brick when he gets put under a bit of pressure.

Blind isn't as good a passer as Carrick and he isn't as good as Carrick at dealing with the ball under pressure. I'm not a fan of Carrick, but he is a far superior DM to Blind.

Rossi IRL

TheDoc wrote: »

Blind is just as competent as Carrick. And Blind has the added benefit of not ****ting a brick when he gets put under a bit of pressure.

Im fairly sure blind "****ted a brick" when he backed out of the 50/50 with de bruyne which they scored from.