Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

irelandrover

mansize wrote: »

50:50 for me

Sanchez wins the ball and there is a lazy swing at him. Its a penalty every day of the week.As long as there is contact. if there isnt then its a dive an a free out. But it has to be one

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

Execution was just poor tonight, from a lot of players. Any chance we had for a fast break seemed to be blown by poor passing.

I guess Wenger will put in a few changes for this weekend, can't imagine he'll stick with the same team again.

Forgot to mention that. The passing was the worse i've seen from an Arsenal team in a very long time, Sanchez and Coq in particular.

mansize

Has this place gone into meltdown yet???

Marcus Antonius

emmetlego wrote: »

Ahhhh, the boards meltdown...

Lads, will ye ever suck it up. We played bad, it happens. Away to the Toffees loss is not the worst in the world. Especially if we respond well on the weekend against City. Chelsea will have days like that too. We actually deserved something from the game IMO.

The Arsecast mentioned about loyalty to Theo or Ox as Wenger might not buy a winger (Drexler) in Jan... On tonight's performance alone, you'd guess it's possible. Mahrez too! They are too hot and cold (Ox/Theo) and in tight pressing games, they fade a lot. Theo especially!

It wouldn't be a bad loss if Everton had been in form and we weren't (at least at the time) chasing the league. It was however a bad loss tonight. We played badly for the most part but sneaking some points while playing badly is the difference between being in the race or not. Today it didn't go our way. Gotta get back on track against City

Shame we lost, but I love the cup final spirit - seeing Cech come up for the last corner! I love that stuff!

FixitFelix

irelandrover wrote: »

Sanchez wins the ball and there is a lazy swing at him. Its a penalty every day of the week.As long as there is contact. if there isnt then its a dive an a free out. But it has to be one

Haven't seen replay but I think ref might have bottled it

mansize

Sanchez had a poor game- Monreal prob Arsenal's best player for me

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

Shame we lost, but I love the cup final spirit - seeing Cech come up for the last corner! I love that stuff!

I'd rather win 2-0

greendom

just seen the replay for the Everton winner. Ozil was shocking

keano_afc

Got what we deserved really. One of those "not again" performances. Could be the kick up the arse they need. Can't go to places like Goodison and stroll around expecting to win.

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

Has this place gone into meltdown yet???

Nope. Everyone knows what to expect with Arsenal.

greendom

not a pen

There you go...Howard Webb has spoken.

Everton winner was from a corner that wasn't a corner, and Sanchez at the end wasn't a penalty.

greendom

As always its the response on Sunday. A win and I can forgive them the poor performance tonight.

mansize

irelandrover wrote: »

Sanchez wins the ball and there is a lazy swing at him. Its a penalty every day of the week.As long as there is contact. if there isnt then its a dive an a free out. But it has to be one

He ran across the Everton player as he was playing the ball for me

FixitFelix

Basil3 wrote: »

There you go...Howard Webb has spoken.

Everton winner was from a corner that wasn't a corner, and Sanchez at the end wasn't a penalty.

Wasn't a pen, cant be banging in 4 or 5 every week but I think If Özil takes his chance we win easy, but it doesn't always happen that way. Win against City and we're back on track

irelandrover

mansize wrote: »

He ran across the Everton player as he was playing the ball for me

But that is given as a free every single time ive seen it. If there is contact its a free

niallo27

Basil3 wrote: »

There you go...Howard Webb has spoken.

Everton winner was from a corner that wasn't a corner, and Sanchez at the end wasn't a penalty.

In fairness the corner was so hard to call as he headed it on to his shoulder so it looked as if it an Arsenal head.

mansize

niallo27 wrote: »

In fairness the corner was so hard to call as he headed it on to his shoulder so it looked as if it an Arsenal head.

Corners given not given doesn't excuse poor defending of one

mansize

irelandrover wrote: »

But that is given as a free every single time ive seen it. If there is contact its a free

Not a chance every single time, have we given in to hyperbole already?

mansize

mansize wrote: »

I'd rather win 2-0

Can't win them all mate. At least I got to enjoy a bit of a loss.

Arne_Saknussem

Walcott & Oxlade Chaimberlain should only play on the wings at home in games when a big majority of possession is almost guaranteed.

Dolph Starbeam

Just home from the game, lackluster attacking performance, Theo and Ox just don't offer enough going forward.. We should really have punished them the couple times Sanchez and Monreal got in behind.

niallo27

I don't think it's that much of a disaster for Arsenal. Results like this will happen to all the top teams.

jonneymendoza

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Walcott & Oxlade Chaimberlain should only play on the wings at home in games when a big majority of possession is almost guaranteed.

So who should play instead in the wings then?

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

Can't win them all mate. At least I got to enjoy a bit of a loss.

There was nothing enjoyable in that loss for me. Poor passing, little commitment, exposing the frailities of this Arsenal squad

mansize

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't think it's that much of a disaster for Arsenal. Results like this will happen to all the top teams.

It's not a disaster but it allows Chelsea to put daylight between themselves and the rest

FixitFelix

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So who should play instead in the wings then?

That's what transfer windows are for, ship them out and replace with better

tayto lover

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So who should play instead in the wings then?

Ox was poor tonight but in fairness to him he does try.
Walcott is afraid of his own shadow and rarely performs against team who are physically minded.
I think we need a new winger too for his side.

wonga77

Some of the players are so hot and cold its very frustrating. As poor as Ox was at least he tries. Walcott seems to go hiding far too often for my liking and as mentioned, some of the passing was of a terrible standard. Ah well, was always going to be a difficult one. Hopefully theres a response against City on sunday, lose that and we are possibly 9 behind Chelsea and then we are properly screwed

tayto lover

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't think it's that much of a disaster for Arsenal. Results like this will happen to all the top teams.

Well it does confirm to the players that they're not as good as they think they are. It will keep them grounded hopefully and make them realise that you have to work your socks off for success.

FixitFelix

wonga77 wrote: »

Some of the players are so hot and cold its very frustrating. As poor as Ox was at least he tries. Walcott seems to go hiding far too often for my liking and as mentioned, some of the passing was of a terrible standard. Ah well, was always going to be a difficult one. Hopefully theres a response against City on sunday, lose that and we are possibly 9 behind Chelsea and then we are properly screwed

And bypassed by the teams below us

jonneymendoza

tayto lover wrote: »

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So who should play instead in the wings then?

Ox was poor tonight but in fairness to him he does try.
Walcott is afraid of his own shadow and rarely performs against team who are physically minded.
I think we need a new winger too for his side.

Who is available in Jan to replace one of those? GriezMenn?

Arne_Saknussem

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So who should play instead in the wings then?

One of Walcott or Ox with Iwobi, Sanchez, Ramsey or Perez.

Edit: or Welbeck when he's fit. Welbeck - Sanchez - Walcott might work well for away games.

At least give Perez a run on a wing. He could easily interchange with Sanchez.

tayto lover

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Who is available in Jan to replace one of those? GriezMenn?

Don't know. We'll have to wait and see.

gitzy16v

Basil3 wrote: »

At least give Perez a run on a wing. He could easily interchange with Sanchez.

he looked good in the CL out there...gets into better scoring positions than Theo

batistuta9

Basil3 wrote: »

At least give Perez a run on a wing. He could easily interchange with Sanchez.

perez let barkley run through into the box at the end without even trying to stop him.
and people had the audacity to question brian kerr! :pac:

KaiserGunner

We were poor from back to front tonight. Didn't get started even though we took the lead. The defending for the two goals was abysmal, wouldn't see that level of marking at schoolboy level. Damaging defeat, as you expect Chelsea to comfortably beat Sunderland tomorrow night to extend the gap to 6 points. They then have Palace away while we have City away. Could be a massive gap at the top by the time Christmas comes around. Bitterly disappointing night tonight.

gitzy16v

batistuta9 wrote: »

perez let barkley run through into the box at the end without even trying to stop him.
and people had the audacity to question brian kerr! :pac:

Theo was stitched up by baines for the equaliser,I dont place much faith in any of our wingers defensive capabilities.

Skylinehead

Wenger needs to shake up his subs, always on the 70th minute and always the same people for the same other people. Why won't he bring Lucas on, is a hat trick against a decent side not enough?

mansize

wonga77 wrote: »

Some of the players are so hot and cold its very frustrating. As poor as Ox was at least he tries. Walcott seems to go hiding far too often for my liking and as mentioned, some of the passing was of a terrible standard. Ah well, was always going to be a difficult one. Hopefully theres a response against City on sunday, lose that and we are possibly 9 behind Chelsea and then we are properly screwed

trying is no good if the end result is poor.

Ox for the chop

Ol' Donie

mansize wrote: »

It's not a disaster but it allows Chelsea to put daylight between themselves and the rest

Plenty of time for them to f*** up.

Although these are the ones I HATE losing.

greendom

Skylinehead wrote: »

Wenger needs to shake up his subs, always on the 70th minute and always the same people for the same other people. Why won't he bring Lucas on, is a hat trick against a decent side not enough?

game was delicately balanced. He would have made earlier subs if we'd been well ahead or behind. Beyond that he doesn't seem to have much imagination when it comes to changing things from the bench.

extra gravy

greendom wrote: »

game was delicately balanced. He would have made earlier subs if we'd been well ahead or behind. Beyond that he doesn't seem to have much imagination when it comes to changing things from the bench.

He doesn't have much imagination when it comes to tactics either. When Chelsea were struggling to break WBA down at the weekend, Conte changed formation during the game and they went on to get the winner. Of course, our situation this evening was different but Wenger is so far behind managers like Conte in terms of tactical nous. Trusting the players to do the job without direction is all well and good when they're top class intelligent pros but when it's Walcott running around like a headless chicken, it's not much use. I don't think we have a hope of winning the league or CL tbh, we will be outfoxed by managers like Conte.

Quazzie

extra gravy wrote: »

He doesn't have much imagination when it comes to tactics either. When Chelsea were struggling to break WBA down at the weekend, Conte changed formation during the game and they went on to get the winner. Of course, our situation this evening was different but Wenger is so far behind managers like Conte in terms of tactical nous. Trusting the players to do the job without direction is all well and good when they're top class intelligent pros but when it's Walcott running around like a headless chicken, it's not much use. I don't think we have a hope of winning the league or CL tbh, we will be outfoxed by managers like Conte.

This is pretty much it. We've lacked leaders in the team for years, and now we seem to have some in the shape it Cech, Kos, etc, but none of it makes any difference when we don't have leadership or direction from the bench.

greendom

extra gravy wrote: »

greendom wrote: »

game was delicately balanced. He would have made earlier subs if we'd been well ahead or behind. Beyond that he doesn't seem to have much imagination when it comes to changing things from the bench.

He doesn't have much imagination when it comes to tactics either. When Chelsea were struggling to break WBA down at the weekend, Conte changed formation during the game and they went on to get the winner. Of course, our situation this evening was different but Wenger is so far behind managers like Conte in terms of tactical nous. Trusting the players to do the job without direction is all well and good when they're top class intelligent pros but when it's Walcott running around like a headless chicken, it's not much use. I don't think we have a hope of winning the league or CL tbh, we will be outfoxed by managers like Conte.

Conte is the genius at the moment. The manager all others should aspire to be. It wasn't thst long ago that his team was beaten 3 - 0 by Wenger's.

Yes he's changed things since then but he had to as his team had been outclassed on the day.

Team's first away defeat since March, first time we've conceded more than 1 away from home all season and first defeat in the league since August and we're looking longingly at better managers. I'm not joining that bandwagon just yet. If we lose on Sunday though I'll be the first to post about how we should have brought in Guardiola or Klopp or someone else maybe.

Roaster

I see Ozil getting lambasted for the corner. Why the f*** have we got Ozil in the box marking anyone let one of Everton's most dangerous men from set-pieces? He's a timid (albeit very skilful) player. He shouldn't even be in the 18 yard box for corners. Negligence on our part. One of either Kos, Gabriel or Giroud should be picking him up.

marvin80

Poor result last night. If they lose on Sunday they can forget about winning the league.
I know people say it's early days and the other big teams will drop points but Arsenal are not able to defeat the big teams and win tough battles like last night.
The only top team they've beaten this season is Chelsea (when Chelsea were playing sh*t).

Quazzie

greendom wrote: »

Conte is the genius at the moment. The manager all others should aspire to be. It wasn't thst long ago that his team was beaten 3 - 0 by Wenger's.

Yes he's changed things since then but he had to as his team had been outclassed on the day.

Team's first away defeat since March, first time we've conceded more than 1 away from home all season and first defeat in the league since August and we're looking longingly at better managers. I'm not joining that bandwagon just yet. If we lose on Sunday though I'll be the first to post about how we should have brought in Guardiola or Klopp or someone else maybe.

Hardly a bandwagon when many of us have been saying it for 5+ years now.