Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

Assuming they do the same pre-match build up before each match, I don't know that Wenger is the difference between when they come firing out of the blocks and when they don't.

It's definitely to do with a lack of leadership core in the squad, but that's a general problem in pro sport that I alluded to earlier.

What are the consequences for the players after a loss like last night?
Who is dropped after hiding for 90 minutes?
What happens as punishment for players making half-hearted attempts to block shots or crosses or turning their backs on shots?

You are right that there is no leadership on the pitch.
Who's job is it to buy leaders?

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

What are the consequences for the players after a loss like last night?
Who is dropped after hiding for 90 minutes?
What happens as punishment for players making half-hearted attempts to block shots or crosses or turning their backs on shots?

You are right that there is no leadership on the pitch.
Who's job is it to buy leaders?

As I said, it's a problem in professional sport. Look at the top 6 teams. Which team has 3 or 4 all out leaders? It just doesn't exist. I think Mustafi tries to lead, and Xhaka was a decent acquisition to add steel to the team.

Who would you say hid last night? Who made the half hearted attempt to block a shot? Who turned their back? Ramsey is the obvious scapegoat, but he's injured anyway and didn't do any of those things.

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

As I said, it's a problem in professional sport. Look at the top 6 teams. Which team has 3 or 4 all out leaders? It just doesn't exist. I think Mustafi tries to lead, and Xhaka was a decent acquisition to add steel to the team.

Who would you say hid last night? Who made the half hearted attempt to block a shot? Who turned their back? Ramsey is the obvious scapegoat, but he's injured anyway and didn't do any of those things.

I have seen Mert, Gibbs and Ramsey turn their backs in different games.

Ramsey's performance was a disgrace last night. If he's injured then who chose him to play? Surely Wenger picked the team. Luckily for Ramsey he was not the only poor player on the field last night and it will again be forgotten by Wenger.

Never mind deflecting with your "problem in professional sport". It's down to Wenger and most of us know that.

mansize

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38832573


Monday night on BBC

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

I have seen Mert, Gibbs and Ramsey turn their backs in different games.

Ramsey's performance was a disgrace last night. If he's injured then who chose him to play? Surely Wenger picked the team. Luckily for Ramsey he was not the only poor player on the field last night and it will again be forgotten by Wenger.

Never mind deflecting with your "problem in professional sport". It's down to Wenger and most of us know that.

What part of having to play Ramsey due to Xhaka's brainless red do you blame on Wenger???

mansize

Xhaka has taken more from the team than he's contributed so far

I'm at a loss to see where Cech's extra points came...

domrush

mansize wrote: »

What part of having to play Ramsey due to Xhaka's brainless red do you blame on Wenger???

I assume he's getting at Ox's superb performance at CM in the cup.

Is it really necessary to post three times in a row as well?

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

What are the consequences for the players after a loss like last night?
Who is dropped after hiding for 90 minutes?
What happens as punishment for players making half-hearted attempts to block shots or crosses or turning their backs on shots?

You are right that there is no leadership on the pitch.
Who's job is it to buy leaders?

You can't just "buy" leaders tbf.

mansize

domrush wrote: »

I assume he's getting at Ox's superb performance at CM in the cup.

Is it really necessary to post three times in a row as well?

If you have an issue with my posting report it, back seat modding was forbidden I was led to believe.

I don't have Multiquote on m.boards

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

What part of having to play Ramsey due to Xhaka's brainless red do you blame on Wenger???

He didn't play Ramsey last Sat.
We won apparently. Shock and awe.

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

But Wenger said that the players were " not mentally ready " for the game ??? After more than a week off ??? AND preparing the team is HIS job.

He never blames himself. I actually detest him and hate seeing him on t.v.

You detest Wenger??? That's a very strong word. Detest??? Really??? I don't like Donald Trump I don't detest him... I do however detest Mr Putin, for reasons non football related- but giving his good friend Mr Abramovich all that oil kinda is...

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

You can't just "buy" leaders tbf.

Rubbish. Of course you can. Other teams have.

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

He didn't play Ramsey last Sat.
We won apparently. Shock and awe.

So he was rested, to play last night. They can't play every game (except Sanchez)

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

You detest Wenger??? That's a very strong word. Detest??? Really??? I don't like Donald Trump I don't detest him... I do however detest Mr Putin, for reasons non football related- but giving his good friend Mr Abramovich all that oil kinda is...

I do indeed. He's holding back this great club.

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

Rubbish. Of course you can. Other teams have.

Who has acquired an already established leader then???

domrush

mansize wrote: »

Who has acquired an already established leader then???

Ibra

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

Who has acquired an already established leader then???

City bought Yaya Toure a few years ago just to name one. Great leader in the following year.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

I do indeed. He's holding back this great club.

Waste of time even explaining to certain people why you might be feeling such an understandable emotion.....but hey, Arsene is great sure only for him we wouldnt be able to field a team to play a match every week even if they are a team of bottle jobs and fraudsters who he insists on keeping around :rolleyes:

mansize

domrush wrote: »

Ibra

I wouldn't consider him a leader. He's very individualistic

mansize

Skylinehead wrote: »

What's this "joint second" ****e? We're 3rd.

Funny how you didn't just down someone else's throat when they posted it last night... 🤔🤔🤔

Gringo180

mansize wrote: »

Funny how you didn't just down someone else's throat when they posted it last night... 🀔🀔🀔

Are you the gay lad that used to post under another username? You dont half stir it up on here, you must post a thousand times a day :pac:

Skylinehead

mansize wrote: »

Funny how you didn't just down someone else's throat when they posted it last night... 🤔🤔🤔

what

mansize

Skylinehead wrote: »

what

I wasn't the first to say "joint second" I previously had referred to our position as third

Skylinehead

mansize wrote: »

I wasn't the first to say "joint second" I previously had referred to our position as third

Oh the crimes against humanity :rolleyes:

I didn't even refer to you, stop thinking you're being persecuted.

Pudders

So thoughts on last night.

The stewards now take umbrellas and give you raffle tickets to collect after the match. Wtf is that about. Same stewards were rushing people in without checking them. So a bomb is fine but oh no way bring in an umbrella.

I am not sure how wet people realised it was. I got soaked walking home.

Monreal, Coq and Gabriel were ****ing atrocious.
Ramsey, lucky he went off injured he was so rubbish.

Not sure who was making the sub decisions but good to see not waiting for the Wenger 70 minute mark.

This team have no bottle. It is down to Wenger.

Please go. Do us all a favour.

Bridge93

Pudders wrote: »

So thoughts on last night.

The stewards now take umbrellas and give you raffle tickets to collect after the match. Wtf is that about. Same stewards were rushing people in without checking them. So a bomb is fine but oh no way bring in an umbrella.

I am not sure how wet people realised it was. I got soaked walking home.

Monreal, Coq and Gabriel were ****ing atrocious.
Ramsey, lucky he went off injured he was so rubbish.

Not sure who was making the sub decisions but good to see not waiting for the Wenger 70 minute mark.

This team have no bottle. It is down to Wenger.

Please go. Do us all a favour.

I'd imagine they don't want people putting their umbrellas up and blocking the view of others. You can say people won't and for the most part that's true. But there's always a few ***** who will try and it just starts conflict

mansize

Skylinehead wrote: »

Oh the crimes against humanity :rolleyes:

I didn't even refer to you, stop thinking you're being persecuted.

Apologies if you weren't indeed referring to me.

I don't feel persecuted. We're just nobodies posting on a Bulletin board.

It's not Putin's Russia or Syria

mansize

Egypt get to the final!

Pudders

Bridge93 wrote: »

Pudders wrote: »

So thoughts on last night.

The stewards now take umbrellas and give you raffle tickets to collect after the match. Wtf is that about. Same stewards were rushing people in without checking them. So a bomb is fine but oh no way bring in an umbrella.

I am not sure how wet people realised it was. I got soaked walking home.

Monreal, Coq and Gabriel were ****ing atrocious.
Ramsey, lucky he went off injured he was so rubbish.

Not sure who was making the sub decisions but good to see not waiting for the Wenger 70 minute mark.

This team have no bottle. It is down to Wenger.

Please go. Do us all a favour.

I'd imagine they don't want people putting their umbrellas up and blocking the view of others. You can say people won't and for the most part that's true. But there's always a few ***** who will try and it just starts conflict

In the upper deck? You'd want to be a right clown!

Bridge93

Bridge93 wrote: »

I'd imagine they don't want people putting their umbrellas up and blocking the view of others. You can say people won't and for the most part that's true. But there's always a few ***** who will try and it just starts conflict

Same as the selfie stick ban id imagine. An umbrella can constitute a weapon. The majority suffering over a few

pudzey101

mansize wrote: »

Egypt get to the final!

any news on elneny ? will he miss it , badly needed back at our current midfield crisis

mansize

pudzey101 wrote: »

any news on elneny ? will he miss it , badly needed back at our current midfield crisis

Currently injured

L'prof

mansize wrote: »

pudzey101 wrote: »

any news on elneny ? will he miss it , badly needed back at our current midfield crisis

Currently injured

Was he an unused sub today for Egypt? Might be on he mend?

mansize

L'prof wrote: »

Was he an unused sub today for Egypt? Might be on he mend?

Arsenal midfielder Mohamed Elneny will not feature tonight due to a calf injury and striker Marwan Mohsen is on the bench because of a knee niggle.

mansize

mansize wrote: »

You can't just "buy" leaders tbf.

So is the manager meant to train people into leaders if you cant buy them, or do they appear like magic from nowhere?

mansize

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So is the manager meant to train people into leaders if you cant buy them, or do they appear like magic from nowhere?

Leaders evolve- like Kos

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

So is the manager meant to train people into leaders if you cant buy them, or do they appear like magic from nowhere?

Leaders just don't exist in the modern game like they used to. I don't think you can just buy in a leader, it would have to be someone who has the respect of the other players, and knows the club inside and out. It really has to be someone who is in the club for a long time, who grows into the role.

The All Blacks are a prime example of a team with a core of leaders (although you could say this has been lost in recent years). Players like Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Jerome Kaino, Keiran Read. Players that will call out other players, make sure they're doing what they need to be doing, and punish them if they don't. The coach/manager could step away from the team and he would know that these players are still making sure sh*t gets done.

Maybe that is the biggest problem with Wenger? Because leaders don't exist in the way they used to, the players are more reliant on the manager to lead.....and he's just not that type of guy.

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

Leaders just don't exist in the modern game like they used to. I don't think you can just buy in a leader, it would have to be someone who has the respect of the other players, and knows the club inside and out. It really has to be someone who is in the club for a long time, who grows into the role.

The All Blacks are a prime example of a team with a core of leaders (although you could say this has been lost in recent years). Players like Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Jerome Kaino, Keiran Read. Players that will call out other players, make sure they're doing what they need to be doing, and punish them if they don't. The coach/manager could step away from the team and he would know that these players are still making sure sh*t gets done.

Maybe that is the biggest problem with Wenger? Because leaders don't exist in the way they used to, the players are more reliant on the manager to lead.....and he's just not that type of guy.

Will you quit mentioning rugby for feck sake. This is a soccer forum.
Leaders have always been in the game. They are strong players who know the game and who call out non-triers or players who keep making mistakes.
The problem with Arsenal, as I see it, is that the Manager is not doing it and therefore current no players want to take it on in case they fall foul of Wenger.
AND of course you can buy leaders. Other teams have done so.

Your problem is that you are too faithful to someone who is well past his sell by date. We will not win the EPL again under Wenger.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Will you quit mentioning rugby for feck sake. This is a soccer forum.
Leaders have always been in the game. They are strong players who know the game and who call out non-triers or players who keep making mistakes.
The problem with Arsenal, as I see it, is that the Manager is not doing it and therefore current no players want to take it on in case they fall foul of Wenger.
AND of course you can buy leaders. Other teams have done so.

Your problem is that you are too faithful to someone who is well past his sell by date. We will not win the EPL again under Wenger.

Sorry mate, didn't know it's against the rules to mention other sports.

I'm yet to see anyone give decent evidence of teams bringing in leaders, or teams that have a core group of leaders. I'm sure other teams have done it, though.

Thanks for pointing out my problem. It's appreciated.

Quazzie

Basil3 wrote: »

Sorry mate, didn't know it's against the rules to mention other sports.

I'm yet to see anyone give decent evidence of teams bringing in leaders, or teams that have a core group of leaders. I'm sure other teams have done it, though.

Thanks for pointing out my problem. It's appreciated.

Do you not think leadership should start with the manager?

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

Do you not think leadership should start with the manager?

Yes, leadership should come from the manager. As I said earlier, it's probably more important now than it used to be, because there's less strong leaders in the Premier League in general. I'd say this is one of Wenger's failings.

batistuta9

what's a leader anyway? how do you define that.

& if no clubs have any leaders, then wouldn't they be unnecessary

batistuta9

batistuta9 wrote: »

what's a leader anyway? how do you define that.

& if no clubs have any leaders, then wouldn't they be unnecessary

I'd say someone who leads by example, has the respect of their teammates, calls out other players, knows the club in and out. To me, it would be players like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Giggs, Scholes etc. A dying breed.

For Arsenal, I reckon you have to look further back to when we had a group of strong leaders.

mansize

Thought police out in force

Peter O Mahoney is a great leader
Martin Johnson was a great captain, a bit out of his depth at managerial level

I find people are often far too simplistic when it comes to judging a manager.

mansize

Basil3 wrote: »

I'd say someone who leads by example, has the respect of their teammates, calls out other players, knows the club in and out. To me, it would be players like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Giggs, Scholes etc. A dying breed.

For Arsenal, I reckon you have to look further back to when we had a group of strong leaders.

Were Lampard and Giggs leaders?

mansize

mansize wrote: »

Were Lampard and Giggs leaders?

I'd say they had huge influence in the dressing room, and were the type of players you could count on when the team were up against it. So yeah, I'd say so.

batistuta9

Basil3 wrote: »

I'd say someone who leads by example, has the respect of their teammates, calls out other players, knows the club in and out. To me, it would be players like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Giggs, Scholes etc. A dying breed.

For Arsenal, I reckon you have to look further back to when we had a group of strong leaders.

i don't know, think it's a bit of BS term that gets thrown around to elevate players more.
they usually always happen to be the best players in the team - coincidence

what about cech or sanchez, would you consider them leaders?

Arne_Saknussem

batistuta9 wrote: »

i don't know, think it's a bit of BS term that gets thrown around to elevate players more.
they usually always happen to be the best players in the team - coincidence

what about cech or sanchez, would you consider them leaders?

Sanchez yes, Ozil no.

mansize

batistuta9 wrote: »

i don't know, think it's a bit of BS term that gets thrown around to elevate players more.
they usually always happen to be the best players in the team - coincidence

what about cech or sanchez, would you consider them leaders?

Again I'd put Sanchez in the same bracket as giggs or Lampard, a lead by example kinda guy but not a team motivator

mansize

I would consider Sanchez to petulant to be a leader in the tradional sense