Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

mansize

mansize wrote: »

I don't use hyperbole in my arguments

You barely use sentences in your "arguments"

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

You barely use sentences in your "arguments"

Yes, unlike yours which are dissertations.

wonga77

mansize wrote: »

I don't use hyperbole in my arguments

No you just constantly change the goalposts to suit you opinion and throw out one liners. Something that has been observed by most people at some stage.

I dont agree with some of the stuff today, in particular by Basil and Donie but at least you can engage with them

wonga77

wonga77 wrote: »

I see the Ox has made a boo boo on twitter,

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/alex-oxlade-chamberlain-likes-arsenalfantv-arsenal-video-calling-arsene-wenger-sacked-a7562956.html

A Freudian slip perhaps?

tayto lover

Albert_Camus wrote: »

No offense but I'd imagine this is spoken by someone not in charge of a multi million pound business. They ain't trying out a new take away.

No it's not a chip shop.
It's a football club and clubs usually sack non-performing managers.

Albert_Camus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A Freudian slip perhaps?

This is gas.. ye now respect the ox

wonga77

Deleted User wrote: »

A Freudian slip perhaps?

Not quite as good as Lescotts excuse

https://twitter.com/Alex_OxChambo/status/827940500267204609

Albert_Camus wrote: »

This is gas.. ye now respect the ox

Nah, id say you need to check the batteries on your sarcasm detector :P

Albert_Camus

Albert_Camus wrote: »

This is gas.. ye now respect the ox

I never said. Personally i think Ox is as much a problem as a the manager that is loyal to him. Personally i dont think the team are playing for the manager and more fool the manager for sticking by them

mansize

wonga77 wrote: »

No you just constantly change the goalposts to suit you opinion and throw out one liners. Something that has been observed by most people at some stage.

I dont agree with some of the stuff today, in particular by Basil and Donie but at least you can engage with them

I haven't changed my opinion. I can't argue with - people who don't want change are cowards- without any reasoning why, that's a cheap jibe not an argument

I gave a robust defence after the midweek loss I didn't see as the usual crew were calling me out.

My arguments remain constant

Wenger has been a successful manager.
He has operated within constraints not of his making and still delivered UCL KO football every year.

The thing that changes is the flavour of the month people le want him replaced with.

Is Klopp still a missed opportunity???

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

No it's not a chip shop.
It's a football club and clubs usually sack non-performing managers.

He is delivering success, even if it's not the success you crave. You don't have a decision on that. That's up to the board

tayto lover

So you want things to stay as they are Mansize??
Can you honestly see Wenger winning another league title or is qualifying for the CL good enough to satisfy you?

Albert_Camus

tayto lover wrote: »

So you want things to stay as they are Mansize??
Can you honestly see Wenger winning another league title or is qualifying for the CL good enough to satisfy you?

Ah to live in you're simple life view...It must be bliss.

Everyone is at fault and if only they'd listen to you.

tayto lover

Albert_Camus wrote: »

Ah to live in you're simple life view...It must be bliss.

Could you try to make your points clearer please. There's plenty of space on the net.

Albert_Camus

tayto lover wrote: »

Could you try to make your points clearer please. There's plenty of space on the net.

Actually I agree with ya. They should get a different manager. Different players and show passion and bottle and not turn their backs on the ball.

Let's get this done.

mansize

mansize wrote: »

I haven't changed my opinion. I can't argue with - people who don't want change are cowards- without any reasoning why, that's a cheap jibe not an argument

I gave a robust defence after the midweek loss I didn't see as the usual crew were calling me out.

My arguments remain constant

Wenger has been a successful manager.
He has operated within constraints not of his making and still delivered UCL KO football every year.

The thing that changes is the flavour of the month people le want him replaced with.

Is Klopp still a missed opportunity???

Your surely gone above your data allowance with all of those sentences :eek:

We have copped that your arguments remain constant in the face of glaring evidence against Wenger. Wont change the fact that Wenger is finished.

tayto lover

Albert_Camus wrote: »

Actually I agree with ya. They should get a different manager. Different players and show passion and bottle and not turn their backs on the ball.

Let's get this done.

I think we have a poster with two handles on the thread lads.

wonga77

mansize wrote: »

I haven't changed my opinion. I can't argue with - people who don't want change are cowards- without any reasoning why, that's a cheap jibe not an argument

I gave a robust defence after the midweek loss I didn't see as the usual crew were calling me out.

My arguments remain constant

Wenger has been a successful manager.
He has operated within constraints not of his making and still delivered UCL KO football every year.

The thing that changes is the flavour of the month people le want him replaced with.

Is Klopp still a missed opportunity???

Il tell you whats a cheap jibe, your rant the other week about fake fans.
Its ironic that you use Klopp as an example, when he's been in charge for what, a year and a bit? yet its give Wenger more time.

We'll never know if Klopp would have been any good, thats all ifs and buts. Most people simply want a change. Wenger has been an extremely successful manager, its undeniable. But alot of fans see the potential to push on to new heights with a different face. Until then we'll never know and Arsenal FC, much like the Arsenal thread on boards will go round and round with the same stuff every year

Albert_Camus

tayto lover wrote: »

I think we have a poster with two handles on the thread lads.

You can't even get that right. Let's not follow your leadership

KaiserGunner

Deleted User wrote: »

Your surely gone above your data allowance with all of those sentences :eek:

We have copped that your arguments remain constant in the face of glaring evidence against Wenger. Wont change the fact that Wenger is finished.

Just checking into the thread now, haven't read anything, but knew Mansize would still defend Wenger regardless of one of the most inept performances. We didn't even turn up today, were beaten before a ball was kicked. A stroll for Chelsea today, as it usually is for them against us at Stamford Bridge.

mansize

mansize wrote: »

He is delivering success, even if it's not the success you crave. You don't have a decision on that. That's up to the board

Success to a football fan equates to winning a major trophy. Other then the two FA cups we havent come within an asses roar of winning a the league or champions league since 2006 and lets face it, the FA cups were only seen as a springboard of sorts. They are not the same level of prestige. Its not even the failures its the spectactular capitulation

Ol' Donie

Can we at least all enjoy Big Sam's return to top flight management without fighting?

tayto lover

Albert_Camus wrote: »

You can't even get that right. Let's not follow your leadership

Ah I think you were here before and might still be with another name.
It's the silly jibes that give you away.:pac:

wonga77

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Can we at least all enjoy Big Sam's return to top flight management without fighting?

It will be a short return id say, when sunderland are putting 4 past you then something is seriously wrong. I actually dont mind Big Sam so much, Pulis and Mourinho are top of my list...

Albert_Camus

Albert_Camus wrote: »

You can't even get that right. Let's not follow your leadership

You've said you agreed with Tayto that Wenger should go and yet here you are having continuous unnecessary digs??


Whats with the attitude?

Ol' Donie

wonga77 wrote: »

It will be a short return id say, when sunderland are putting 4 past you then something is seriously wrong. I actually dont mind Big Sam so much, Pulis and Mourinho are top of my list...

Oh, c'mere, I view Big Sam as a close friend compared to that Potugese joker.

But i do still like to see him getting beaten.

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

You've said you agreed with Tayto that Wenger should go and yet here you are having continuous unnecessary digs??


Whats with the attitude?

Unnecessary digs, like cheap digs naming posters- yes, that's disgusting

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

You barely use sentences in your "arguments"

Cheap digs eh?

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

Success to a football fan equates to winning a major trophy. Other then the two FA cups we havent come within an asses roar of winning a the league or champions league since 2006 and lets face it, the FA cups were only seen as a springboard of sorts. They are not the same level of prestige. Its not even the failures its the spectactular capitulation

How is finishing in the top 4 spectacular capitulation?

What would describe relegation as?

Arghus

mansize wrote: »

How is finishing in the top 4 spectacular capitulation?

What would describe relegation as?

Is finishing in the top 4 the height of your ambitions? In fairness?

extra gravy

When you haven't been in here for a while and one of the first posts you see is that we've beaten Chelsea 4-3 on aggregate this season :pac:

tayto lover

It looks like the Wenger fans are hurting even more than the Wenger-out fans tonight. Maybe they've actually come to the same conclusion as the rest of us but are too embarrassed to say so.

mansize

[Deleted User] wrote: »

:eek:

Absolutely astonishing. Mansize wouldn't come out with it

That's another cheap dig

Albert_Camus

tayto lover wrote: »

Ah I think you were here before and might still be with another name.
It's the silly jibes that give you away.:pac:

Silly in what way. That I think it might be a bit more than cowardice? I can't imagine you honestly think people at this level are missing a trick that you are privvy to and that it's cowardice holding it all up. It's just practicalities.

But I do agree with you. Changes are needed, but these guys have to be careful.

Sorry for being rude to you in my posts. But I hope you take onboard that it's not as straight forward as you make out.

Again apologies

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

It looks like the Wenger fans are hurting even more than the Wenger-out fans tonight. Maybe they've actually come to the same conclusion as the rest of us but are too embarrassed to say so.

I didn't see any of today's match.

I'm hurting but it's nothing to do with Arsenal FC

tayto lover

Albert_Camus wrote: »

Silly in what way. That I think it might be a bit more than cowardice? I can't imagine you honestly think people at this level are missing a trick that you are privvy to and that it's cowardice holding it all up. It's just practicalities.

But I do agree with you. Changes are needed, but these guys have to be careful.

Sorry for being rude to you in my posts. But I hope you take onboard that it's not as straight forward as you make out.

Again apologies

Look you're fine. We're all a bit down on this thread today.

Albert_Camus

tayto lover wrote: »

Look you're fine. We're all a bit down on this thread today.

Cheers. Have a good, what's left of it, weekend.

KaiserGunner

I'd love the Arsenal fans who still back Wenger to come up with a legitimate reason why he still deserves to keep his job? The players today certainly didn't look like they were fighting for the managers cause, sure even Alexis looked half arsed today ffs! He is done, I appreciate his first 10 or so years in charge, but his second half has been a Groundhog Day.

The title was on the line in the last 2 matches and did the players looked ****ed, no they looked liked scared kittens. Have had enough of this, the season pans out exactly the same every season. It's become pathetic now. 7 of the last 8 visits at Stamford bridge have ended in defeat.

Today's match had nothing to do with net spend, cost of squad etc, one team played for the manager and the other team rolled over and got there bellies tickled. This massive club and fans deserve a lot more than this **** being served the past few years.

mansize

mansize wrote: »

Unnecessary digs, like cheap digs naming posters- yes, that's disgusting

mansize wrote: »

Cheap digs eh?

The difference is Tayto is talking sense.

mansize wrote: »

How is finishing in the top 4 spectacular capitulation?

What would describe relegation as?

Seriously you actually need this explained to you? As an example, we were in a winning position in both 2008 and 2014 to win the league and we collapsed with a string of abysmal results but hey at least we didnt relegate :rolleyes:
The former season saw William Gallas, the club captain chosen by Arsene Wenger, have a meltdown on the pitch when he should have been focused on Birmingham's penalty. Worse still, Wenger kept him as captain until he caused more disruption the following season.

After your own cheap unnecessary and unfounded dig at the supporters on this thread about fake streams and fake jerseys a few weeks ago, you deserve all the contempt thrown at you. Bullshít deserves to be called for what it is.

Arghus

mansize wrote: »

I didn't see any of today's match.

I'm hurting but it's nothing to do with Arsenal FC

Hang on, what?

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

It looks like the Wenger fans are hurting even more than the Wenger-out fans tonight. Maybe they've actually come to the same conclusion as the rest of us but are too embarrassed to say so.

This is the Wenger fans summed up in one pic. Deluded

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

Hang on, what?

And here is me thinking he was there with his authentic jersey, hat, scarf, underpants on :rolleyes:

KaiserGunner

mansize wrote: »

I didn't see any of today's match.

I'm hurting but it's nothing to do with Arsenal FC

So a fan that was basically telling the majority of fans here that they aren't proper Arsenal fans cos they don't go to games regularly etc, and put himself on a pedestal above us all cos he goes regularly, isn't hurting about today's result, because Ireland lost in the rugby. :rolleyes:

I Couldn't give a **** that Ireland lost today and I'm hurting about the Arsenal result, but according to you you're a bigger fan as I can't go over as much as you, due to my circumstances. Even though you're more hurt about the Ireland game.

wonga77

Albert_Camus wrote: »

Silly in what way. That I think it might be a bit more than cowardice? I can't imagine you honestly think people at this level are missing a trick that you are privvy to and that it's cowardice holding it all up. It's just practicalities.

But I do agree with you. Changes are needed, but these guys have to be careful.

Sorry for being rude to you in my posts. But I hope you take onboard that it's not as straight forward as you make out.

Again apologies

Of course they need to be careful, nobody is saying to go down the dole office and take the first guy there. It was obvious to some a few years ago that Wenger had lost his spark. The team didn't seem to have the same x-factor that they had during our best years. But most people were willing to give him the chance. After all, he has overseen a huge transitional period in the clubs history and deserved a chance to spend some money and try and compete. But, as the seasons go on, the players are rotating and the same frailties are showing

Honestly, the board are the problem. They don't seem to have any interest in pushing on, or it doesn't appear that way from the outside. Top 4 and revenue seem to be their aim. Scandalous ticket pricing is a dead giveaway.
If they were serious about moving on, then they would have some idea of a replacement for Wenger (Maybe they have but I highly doubt it)

I sincerely hope Wenger calls it a day at the end of the season, we're not going to win anything and I can only hope that he takes a step back and admits to himself that he doesn't have it anymore. Its not an insult, it happens to every great manager at some stage.

Maybe we'll push on, maybe we'll flounder. I think most would be happy to take a chance at this stage

mansize

mansize wrote: »

That's another cheap dig

Stop playing the victim

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop playing the victim

So it's ok for you to do it? (Call out cheap digs)

mansize

Arghus wrote: »

Hang on, what?

I was at Murrayfield

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

The difference is Tayto is talking sense.




Seriously you actually need this explained to you? As an example, we were in a winning position in both 2008 and 2014 to win the league and we collapsed with a string of abysmal results but hey at least we didnt relegate :rolleyes:
The former season saw William Gallas, the club captain chosen by Arsene Wenger, have a meltdown on the pitch when he should have been focused on Birmingham's penalty. Worse still, Wenger kept him as captain until he caused more disruption the following season.

After your own cheap unnecessary and unfounded dig at the supporters on this thread about fake streams and fake jerseys a few weeks ago, you deserve all the contempt thrown at you. Bullshít deserves to be called for what it is.

Oh so I deserve digs- got it . Seems fair

mansize

mansize wrote: »

So it's ok for you to do it? (Call out cheap digs)

Because the poster was talking sense he deserved more respect. Those who talk rubbish deserve everything that's flung at them

mansize

KaiserGunner wrote: »

So a fan that was basically telling the majority of fans here that they aren't proper Arsenal fans cos they don't go to games regularly etc, and put himself on a pedestal above us all cos he goes regularly, isn't hurting about today's result, because Ireland lost in the rugby. :rolleyes:

I Couldn't give a **** that Ireland lost today and I'm hurting about the Arsenal result, but according to you you're a bigger fan as I can't go over as much as you, due to my circumstances. Even though you're more hurt about the Ireland game.

I never said I was a better fan, I was referring to something told to me some years back about supporters re fans, but it was ok then, not now, so I won't speak of that again.

I do put my support of Ireland rugby ahead of Arsenal, as I have a more tangible connection to them. I won't hide that

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

Because the poster was talking sense he deserved more respect. Those who talk rubbish deserve everything that's flung at them

Good to know your idea of justice