Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

mansize

KaiserGunner wrote: »

No it wasn't, if they had beaten Watford and Chelsea they would be three points from the top of the table.

How were we going to beat Chelsea???

Do you believe it was possible???

They are on a rich vein of form.

mansize

ronjo wrote: »

I generally dont pay attention to your questions but to answer the one below.

I dont think he should be fired. I think he should see out his contract until then end of the season and not sign a new one.

I would like him to be guiding a successor next season myself

ronjo

mansize wrote: »

I would like him to be guiding a successor next season myself

I think the type of manger we need isnt the type of manager that would want guidance.
Allegri would be my choice. He has never stayed at a club for more than 4 years so a new challenge might interest him.

Quazzie

mansize wrote: »

This one

You asked me that. Then i answered. Then you ignored it because you couldn't deny it.

mansize

mansize wrote: »

He would argue that his contract says European qualification

Big payout

I answered it here.

???

ronjo

ronjo wrote: »

No, what did he say?

Basically saying that even though you do all the mental preparations etc, you still sometimes go out there and think to yourself that it will be an 'easier' game. He was talking in such a way that he would sometimes feel that way.

ronjo

Basil3 wrote: »

Basically saying that even though you do all the mental preparations etc, you still sometimes go out there and think to yourself that it will be an 'easier' game. He was talking in such a way that he would sometimes feel that way.

Oh if only there was a team of people getting paid vast amounts of cash to ensure that didnt happen....

mansize

GavRedKing wrote: »

No they havent.

City were fined, no other English clubs have been fined.

Every club was told they couldnt cheat UEFA FFP by making up sponsorship deals, although that didnt stop PSG and City who were then fined.

UEFA have forgot about FFP though it seems.

Chelsea were WARNED not fined - I didn't say that tbf

http://dailypost.ng/2013/02/04/uefa-warn-chelsea-manchester-city-to-prove-they-are-not-cheating-as-financial-fair-play-kicks-in/

grumpymunster

mansize wrote: »

Chelsea were WARNED not fined - I didn't say that tbf

http://dailypost.ng/2013/02/04/uefa-warn-chelsea-manchester-city-to-prove-they-are-not-cheating-as-financial-fair-play-kicks-in/

Chelsea were never warned - City were warned with respect to justifying their sponsorship deals. It was highlighted two English clubs could fall foul based on previous figures no clubs were specifically mentioned, did you even read the link you posted?
Chelsea have complied with FFP in every sense therefore when the rules changed so did Chelsea's model - is that not what any diligent business would do?

mansize

grumpymunster wrote: »

Chelsea were never warned - City were warned with respect to justifying their sponsorship deals. It was highlighted two English clubs could fall foul based on previous figures no clubs were specifically mentioned, did you even read the link you posted?
Chelsea have complied with FFP in every sense therefore when the rules changed so did Chelsea's model - is that not what any diligent business would do?

Well yes. My understanding was they were warned, as was the papers, if they weren't I stand corrected

grumpymunster

mansize wrote: »

Well yes. My understanding was they were warned, as was the papers, if they weren't I stand corrected

The opening two paragraphs of the link you put forward

Manchester City have been warned by UEFA they will have to prove they are not ‘cheating’ the new financial fair play system by having huge sponsorship deals with companies closely associated with their owners.

City and Chelsea are believed to be among 46 clubs which could fall foul of UEFA‘s new financial rules based on 2009-2011 figures.

States City warned there is no reference to Chelsea being warned. There is speculation on something that may have happened in the past if current rules were administered.

In other words a total nothing story and Chelsea are mentioned only as clickbait.

mansize

grumpymunster wrote: »

The opening two paragraphs of the link you put forward

Manchester City have been warned by UEFA they will have to prove they are not ‘cheating’ the new financial fair play system by having huge sponsorship deals with companies closely associated with their owners.

City and Chelsea are believed to be among 46 clubs which could fall foul of UEFA‘s new financial rules based on 2009-2011 figures.

States City warned there is no reference to Chelsea being warned. There is speculation on something that may have happened in the past if current rules were administered.

In other words a total nothing story and Chelsea are mentioned only as clickbait.

The headline does say Chelsea were warned tbf

wonga77

mansize wrote: »

The headline does say Chelsea were warned tbf

Clickbait. As Abraham Lincoln famously once said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet"

Colonialboy

Basil3 wrote: »

Colonialboy wrote: »

At this stage this discussion is comedy gold.
Ive said my piece, hope to be back for the start of next season, after Wenger is gone. He is not worth it and certainly his apologists on this forum are not worth it, a bigger bunch of clueless football analysts Ive never met.. cheerio. 
Right Wenger , sling your hook, on your way , and take your Wengerites with you.
We've had enough listening to you and your bull**** excuses and your apologists who have no understanding of modern football
Cheerio , come back in 5 years and we will move you up stairs. You dont deserve to move up right away given what you have put the club and the fans thru for the last decade or more.

See you next year. I'll personally miss all of your insightful analysis throughout the remainder of the season. People like yourself with a true understanding of modern football are a rare breed.

Good luck, and goodbye.

Ive been making insightful analysis about Arsenal for years on this forum.
12 months ago I was calling out Coquelin for the 'sham' he was.
Did you spot it ... did you fk
Nah its just not worth it this year, anyone who thinks Wenger and his tactics are worth defending is delusional.


[font=Arial, sans-serif]17-Apr-2016 19:14 POSTED IN SOCCER [/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Coquelin panics and sits too deep ontop of the back 4 who end up been prevented from seeing the play develop cos Coq is so deep. Plus Coquelin lunges in too much, he is quite a small mid-fielder so has a preference to do that. Anyone remember his red card last month, same problem lunging in. It looks great in the middle of the park, like hes a demon tackler but on the edge of the 18 yard box its letting the attacker feint a shot and then get a yard of space to shoot.;[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]
Alot of goals this season you will see Coqueling doing nothing just caught in a no mans land between the shooter and in front of a central defender.
And the slip thru ball Coquelin messed up to Sanchez was atrocious in the first half, you could see Sanchez frustration , a 3 yard pass, Coquelin overhit otherwise Sanches was in on goal.

Arsenal wont win a major trophy like the PL or CL with Coquelin as the main defensive midfielder.
The modern European games needs a defensive mid-fielder who can play a weighted 3 yard forward pass , and doesnt just run around the middle lunging in.[/font]

Hows that for insightful analysis
Ive better things todo than spend another season giving the same insight and havig pointless debates with people who will never understand the modern game.Just ride this one out and tune in next season when Wenger (the specialist in failure) is gone.

mansize

wonga77 wrote: »

Clickbait. As Abraham Lincoln famously once said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet"

No I had heard it at the time. My understanding is their lawyers clarified things with UEFA

mansize

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Ol' Donie

Ken Early on Second Captains the only person I've heard commenting on how an elbow/forearm to the face causing a player to go off injured is in fact a foul.

greendom

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Ken Early on Second Captains the only person I've heard commenting on how an elbow/forearm to the face causing a player to go off injured is in fact a foul.

his old crew on Newstalk were quite convinced that it wasn't. Good to hear some common sense spoken by Ken

mansize

Are people idiots? In what world is leading and lunging with an elbow not a foul?

Ol' Donie

mansize wrote: »

Are people idiots? In what world is leading and lunging with an elbow not a foul?

Honestly couldn't believe the reaction/non reaction to it.

greendom

it really is shocking especially when you consider all the concern and sensitivity about head injuries

Ol' Donie

greendom wrote: »

it really is shocking especially when you consider all the concern and sensitivity about head injuries

It just beggars belief.

It's not as if it was even remotely questionable. If you go for a header and knock someone out with your elbow, it's f*ckin dangerous play. It can't possibly be anything else.

Lads Victor bloody Moses was in that Chelsea team on Saturday. We can't compete with him?

Barlett

Whatever about the result or whether it was a goal or not, the absolute lack of discussion around what happened to Bellerin is an absolute disgrace. To be honest I don't give a toss that we lost, I just think that a player can be cleaned out, is clearly concussed & pundits say 'oh well Arsenal are weak, see that shows it' because it fits their sh1t 5 minute MOTD narrative is a disgrace.

These lads sit around with their heads in the sand & let the real stuff worth talking about pass them by

Bridge93

I was out so missed MOTD. What did Martin Keown say about the first goal? Thierry Henry said live it was a well taken goal.

Ol' Donie

"We discuss the assault on Hector Bellerin for the opening goal and the strange media coverage of it,"

This is from today's Arsecast. Haven't listened yet.

wonga77

Yeah the lack of reaction to it was amazing,

https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633537

Thats difficult viewing. If Xhaka had done that he would have been arrested

Ol' Donie

wonga77 wrote: »

Yeah the lack of reaction to it was amazing,

https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633537

Thats difficult viewing. If Xhaka had done that he would have been arrested

That's the thing. Remember Xhaka got a red for a trip in his own half this season.

It's not a conspiracy or anything like it, just absurdly inconsistent.

vetinari

Yeah, I mean we probably would have lost the game anyways but incidents like that don't help.
You clearly can't lead with an elbow in soccer. Is that even up for debate?

Arghus

I think it was probably - edit: definitely- a foul, but if it was an Arsenal player who did it we wouldn't even be talking about it.

Ol' Donie

Arghus wrote: »

I think it was probably - edit: definitely- a foul, but if it was an Arsenal player who did it we wouldn't even be talking about it.

If it was Xhaka every pundit WOULD be talking about it.

Arghus

Perhaps, but that's because Xhaka has "previous", which gives pundits an easy opportunity to talk about him. Not saying that's right, that's just the way the media operates.

The goal shouldn't have stood, but I don't think that's what we should take away from the game: Arsenal looked like a disorganised and dispirited bunch, I thought, in comparison with Chelsea and despite some bad luck were beaten fair and square.

Ol' Donie

Ol' Donie wrote: »

"We discuss the assault on Hector Bellerin for the opening goal and the strange media coverage of it,"

This is from today's Arsecast. Haven't listened yet.

Papering over the cracks. Yes it was a foul but we were on a hiding to nothing anyway. Our mentality and energy levels are all wrong. Our boys as per usual weren't sharp and up for the fight.

Arghus

Once again: it was a foul, but I do read something else in it too.

I see one player thinking he's probably, maybe, going to get to the ball, and one player making absolutely certain that he's going to get to the ball first, and whether it be fair or foul he's going to make it so.

Alonso shows serious desire to attack the dropping ball, I'd like to see the same from an Arsenal player in a similar situation. Make sure you get your head on it, even if you have to go through your opponent to do it - worry about the morality of it later, while you're celebrating the goal.

If Wenger genuinely genuinely thinks this squad is better then the invincibles then i really worry for him. Growing as my dissent is, he surely cannot be this deluded?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/583634/Arsene-Wenger-Arsenal-Invincibles

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If Wenger genuinely genuinely thinks this squad is better then the invincibles then i really worry for him. Growing as my dissent is, he surely cannot be this deluded?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/583634/Arsene-Wenger-Arsenal-Invincibles

Spin.

What else can he say? It's entirely his squad, not an inherited one. He HAS to say it's the best. He has to say that every year. Every year is his best squad.It's just a losing battle he's fighting now.

L'prof

Majority of appearances that season came from Wenger buys. Quotes above says he thinks he has better depth in attacking options. I think he's right but I don't see Sanchez or Giroud ever notching up 39 goals in 51 appearances

mansize

Arghus wrote: »

Once again: it was a foul, but I do read something else in it too.

I see one player thinking he's probably, maybe, going to get to the ball, and one player making absolutely certain that he's going to get to the ball first, and whether it be fair or foul he's going to make it so.

Alonso shows serious desire to attack the dropping ball, I'd like to see the same from an Arsenal player in a similar situation. Make sure you get your head on it, even if you have to go through your opponent to do it - worry about the morality of it later, while you're celebrating the goal.

Like Xhaka, and get a 4 match ban from the fat ref that sent you off for an offence everyone else saw yellow for?

Shearer won nothing at Newcastle - I hope our FA Cup win haunts him

Kirby

Ol' Donie wrote: »

"We discuss the assault on Hector Bellerin for the opening goal and the strange media coverage of it,"

This is from today's Arsecast. Haven't listened yet.

Assault? Give me strength. It was two players jumping for the ball and one got a massive smack of an elbow. Thats it. Whichever gobsh*te who runs that podcast and titled that needs to leave his basement every once in a while and he might see what actual assault is.

Arghus

Kirby wrote: »

Assault? Give me strength. It was two players jumping for the ball and one got a massive smack of an elbow. Thats it. Whichever gobsh*te who runs that podcast and titled that needs to leave his basement every once in a while and he might see what actual assault is.

Still read Arseblog, but had to give up on The Arsecast: he talks some poop that lad, and with a voice that sounds like someone scutterin' in your ears.

jonneymendoza

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peteeeed

vetinari wrote: »

Yeah, I mean we probably would have lost the game anyways but incidents like that don't help.
You clearly can't lead with an elbow in soccer. Is that even up for debate?

no but he didn't lead with an elbow, eyes on the ball same as Bellerin, unfortunately for Bellerin he is going backwards and not watching alonso so when they collided he ended up hitting the ground hard and thats how he got injured , no foul , alonso managed to get up a lot higher and won the ball

Ol' Donie

peteeeed wrote: »

no but he didn't lead with an elbow, eyes on the ball same as Bellerin, unfortunately for Bellerin he is going backwards and not watching alonso so when they collided he ended up hitting the ground hard and thats how he got injured , no foul , alonso managed to get up a lot higher and won the ball

What? Bellerin can't see Alonso. Alonso can see Bellerin.

So it's Bellerin's fault?

Get the hell outta here with that b*llocks.

mansize

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GavRedKing

Alonso has a running jump and about 3 inches on Bellerin, whos jumping off his back foot, Alonso is up much earlier so nothing Bellerin can do stops the goal, its nothing more than coming together though.

Nobody complained about it at the time, and there was 3 Arsenal players within 5 yards of it, Cech was looking straight at it and didnt make anything of it.

Skylinehead

In hindsight it's a foul, but not a lot of people noticed it first time around.

Doesn't really change the performance one bit

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

If Wenger genuinely genuinely thinks this squad is better then the invincibles then i really worry for him. Growing as my dissent is, he surely cannot be this deluded?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/583634/Arsene-Wenger-Arsenal-Invincibles

I actually think he is deluded and that's what is worrying me.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

I actually think he is deluded and that's what is worrying me.

He's really only saying he has twice as many attacking options who can score goals. I wouldn't read too much into it.

tayto lover

peteeeed wrote: »

no but he didn't lead with an elbow, eyes on the ball same as Bellerin, unfortunately for Bellerin he is going backwards and not watching alonso so when they collided he ended up hitting the ground hard and thats how he got injured , no foul , alonso managed to get up a lot higher and won the ball

Bellerin should have stepped towards Alonso to block him getting the run at the ball. It's what defenders are taught to do. He was on a hiding to nothing height-wise and i'm still wondering where the CB's were.

FixitFelix

Everyone on here arguing over wether it was a foul on bellerin, I was more pissed that it took cech an eternity to get up after his initial dive! He's reflexes and agility are slowing down big time this season in my eyes, think ospina needs a run of games, hasn't put a foot wrong when he's come in