Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

Ajfunky

We got away with that one really lads. I think the team selection proved to be poor from the start, but moreso the tactics seemd a bit all over the place.

At times we were full on pressing, at times we were completely sitting off and watching them pass. Coquelin was trying to poach in the box for the end of the first half, and ozil really wasn't purring tonight. Fair play to Ospina for stepping up, we have all seen him do well before so no surprise there. Iwobi too really stood out when the rest of our team were capitulating.

Was Perez injured for tonight? i just don't understand what the fitness and resting ideas were tonight. Play Cazorla, recently out with a massive injury after playing them 4 days ago, but dont risk Perez and leave sanchez in his better position? And why not play xhaka? These are the games we bought these players for.

Im happy we managed a point and it will stand to us come the end of the group, but again it throws into question our point in competing at this level if its always going to be such an uphill battle. We showed in the second half that PSG could be taken and still couldnt finish it. Disappointed to see we havent figured out how to up the tempo for games that matter.

Quazzie

I'm confused as fück. Watching the replay the ref definitely gave a straight red, but all the sites and apps have it as a second yellow.

wonga77

Quazzie wrote: »

It seems I was wrong. It was a straight red. Absolute madnesa

If it was a stright red then I think that means we can appeal?

Skylinehead

Quazzie wrote: »

It seems I was wrong. It was a straight red. Absolute madnesa

I still swear I saw him pull a yellow out first.

mansize wrote: »

Well the Ospina criticism was wrong and we don't know why players don't start

V harsh on Giroubd

What a generic, nothing statement. We might as well not discuss football ever if that's your stance.

Giroud?

Didn't even mention him, he should have started.

mansize

An early goal really insets a team's rhythm tbf

wawaman

We were pi$$ poor tonight, which wasn't helped by the crazy team selection. If Walcott gets dogs abuse, then ox should aswell. He offers nothing only the ability to give the ball away. I'd say that's the only time a team has gotten a result playing without a midfield for 70 mins because coqzorla were invisible

mansize

Skylinehead wrote: »

I still swear I saw him pull a yellow out first.


What a generic, nothing statement. We might as well not discuss football ever if that's your stance.

Giroud?

Didn't even mention him, he should have started.

I was referring to his so- I went back and clarified

emmetlego

Quazzie wrote: »

I'm confused as fück. Watching the replay the ref definitely gave a straight red, but all the sites and apps have it as a second yellow.

Me too.

Then again, age isn't on my side.

What were we talking about again? Oh yes, the 50's. A great decade...

Gringo180

Quazzie wrote: »

It seems I was wrong. It was a straight red. Absolute madnesa

Says 2 yellows on flash score? I thought it was a straight red myself. Outrageous if thats a straight red.

mansize

Gringo180 wrote: »

Says 2 yellows on flash score? I thought it was a straight red myself. Outrageous if thats a straight red.

Even as a yellow it's harsh

mansize

emmetlego wrote: »

Me too.

Then again, age isn't on my side.

What were we talking about again? Oh yes, the 50's. A great decade...

I don't even know the 70's!

tayto lover

emmetlego wrote: »

Me too.

Then again, age isn't on my side.

What were we talking about again? Oh yes, the 50's. A great decade...

1850's or 1950's?

wawaman

Gringo180 wrote: »

Says 2 yellows on flash score? I thought it was a straight red myself. Outrageous if thats a straight red.

Watch the replays he was pushed into veratti

mansize

We are top of the group in alphabetical order!

Fcuk you AFC Bournemouth, fcuk you!

wandatowell

That was a very poor display. Paris could of been out of sight by the time we scored.

1 point tonight is an absolute blessing.

Hull away next at 3pm on Saturday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqutWOtc288

Giroud gets a yellow before his red. Wow, YouTube/UEFA very efficient at blocking my copyrighted footage

emmetlego

tayto lover wrote: »

1850's or 1950's?

Wrong on both...

I AM BENJAMIN BUTTON!

mansize

emmetlego wrote: »

Wrong on both...

I AM BENJAMIN BUTTON!

Benjy from the Riordans more like... :pac:

Skylinehead

https://streamable.com/049k

Definitely a yellow first

Alfred Borden

And with our first trek into Europe, we have one small change. League Goals and Assists in brackets with totals on the right.

Goals
Cazorla (2) 2
Sanchez (1) 2
Walcott (1) 1
Chamberlain (1) 1
Chambers (1) 1
Ozil (1) 1
Koscielny (1) 1

Assists
Cazorla (2) 2
Iwobi (1) 1
Walcott (1) 1
Sanchez (1) 1
Perez (1) 1

mansize

Auld robot wars has no sympathy for Giroud there

newbie2

Worth Appealing?

Skylinehead

newbie2 wrote: »

Worth Appealing?

Can't appeal second yellows I think.

mansize

No- there was contact. Nothing doing.

Maybe Wenger also deserves credit for not starting hothead Giroud against a French side that knew how to push his buttons

mansize

Ref was very rash but yellows do come easier in the UCL. Giving him a yellow to his back was lol

the untitled user

The the most frustrating thing is, from what the commentators were saying at least, it seemed Marquinhos was the most serious offence as he runs over and pushed Giroud off the ball, yet he gets nothing. Farcical.

Skylinehead

Skylinehead wrote: »

https://streamable.com/049k

Definitely a yellow first

Worth noting that we don't even see what got either sent off. It was after that incident I believe.

wawaman

Skylinehead wrote: »

Worth noting that we don't even see what got either sent off. It was after that incident I believe.

https://streamable.com/9maq

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

Worth noting that we don't even see what got either sent off. It was after that incident I believe.

When i saw it first on a stream which wasn't great i thought Giroud body-checked Veratti. Not so sure now.

Skylinehead

wawaman wrote: »

https://streamable.com/9maq

Ah jaysis

Only player that should have got booked there is Marquinhos

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

No- there was contact. Nothing doing.

Maybe Wenger also deserves credit for not starting hothead Giroud against a French side that knew how to push his buttons

https://www.google.ie/search?q=grasping+at+straws+pics&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=638&tbm=isch&imgil=n-_q1NhlNMeYmM%253A%253BExhltTEY6Fuu7M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fgiphy.com%25252Fsearch%25252Fgrasping-at-straws&source=iu&pf=m&fir=n-_q1NhlNMeYmM%253A%252CExhltTEY6Fuu7M%252C_&usg=__NxTbo2pq00EYR21LJfuvVTIar30%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjX9M3_oo3PAhXUFsAKHW_2DKAQyjcINA&ei=tG3YV9fKDtStgAbv7LOACg#imgrc=n-_q1NhlNMeYmM%3A

If someone knifes someone then calls an ambulance there's some on here who'd have nothing but praise for them.

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

If someone knifes someone then calls an ambulance there's some on here who'd have nothing but praise for them.

???

Et tu Brutas?

mansize

tayto lover wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/search?q=grasping+at+straws+pics&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=638&tbm=isch&imgil=n-_q1NhlNMeYmM%253A%253BExhltTEY6Fuu7M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fgiphy.com%25252Fsearch%25252Fgrasping-at-straws&source=iu&pf=m&fir=n-_q1NhlNMeYmM%253A%252CExhltTEY6Fuu7M%252C_&usg=__NxTbo2pq00EYR21LJfuvVTIar30%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjX9M3_oo3PAhXUFsAKHW_2DKAQyjcINA&ei=tG3YV9fKDtStgAbv7LOACg#imgrc=n-_q1NhlNMeYmM%3A

I'm not saying he's infallible but he has a far better understanding of his players than we do- you at least agree with that???

tayto lover

mansize wrote: »

I'm not saying he's infallible but he has a far better understanding of his players than we do- you at least agree with that???

He may well have but tonight he picked the wrong starting eleven and that's for sure.

emmetlego

tayto lover wrote: »

He may well have but tonight he picked the wrong starting eleven and that's for sure.

Have to agree fully. Would love to know the reasoning.

Charizard

mansize wrote: »

Giroud always gets a hard time - everyone else seems to get more leeway

Guess its because hes just better looking than everyone else. His cross to carry :pac:

greendom

emmetlego wrote: »

Have to agree fully. Would love to know the reasoning.

I thought it was to sit back with Coquelin protecting the defence but he was often our most forward midfielder and the team was extremely open at times.

KaiserGunner

Decent result, but a very poor performance. On another day against a striker that can actually finish we would have got a hiding. They got in behind our back 4 for fun today and wasted some pretty good chances, but for bad finishing and Ospina pulling off a few saves. Ox was poor, as was Ozil and Sanchez can't play up top on his own.

Tbh as a few posters have said in this thread already, I don't think Wenger has picked or even knows his strongest team yet. We have made countless changes to the starting lineup in every game so far and as a result we haven't played with a fluidity or any cohesion yet. We need a settled team for the upcoming premier league games and try and get some chemistry back in the side.

I can't really complain about the result, as it will be the toughest game in the group by far. We have three games in the group stages before we meet PSG again, so a great chance to get qualified with a couple of games to spare.

greendom

Giroud completely changed our forward play when he came on. The attack was very confused without him

mansize

Sanchez has really been going backwards since 2 seasons ago for me.

the untitled user

KaiserGunner wrote: »

I don't think Wenger has picked or even knows his strongest team yet.

I think he does, but that he doesn't to make too many changes too soon. Wenger has always prioritized stability and maintaining over introducing new faces, hence why Xhaka and Elneny have been blooded slowly, and Lucas will be the same.

Look at how vulnerable Cavani made our new CB pairing at times. Mustafi isn't used yet to how Kos likes to step up like that and kept leaving far too much space between them. Add a new midfield on top of that who might be unsure of who goes and who drops? It could have been an unmitigated disaster.

In contrast, when we were attacking in the second half, playing quick passes and making darting runs between the lines the stability really showed, broadly speaking everyone knew where to expect each other.

I think people are trying to draw too many conclusions from Wenger's line up. The main thing to take away tonight is how the team ground out the result. In the previous few seasons our discipline would have collapsed if we'd been torn apart like we were in those initial stages of the game.

mansize

the untitled user wrote: »

I think he does, but that he doesn't to make too many changes too soon. Wenger has always prioritized stability and maintaining over introducing new faces, hence why Xhaka and Elneny have been blooded slowly, and Lucas will be the same.

Look at how vulnerable Cavani made our new CB pairing at times. Mustafi isn't used yet to how Kos likes to step up like that and kept leaving far too much space between them. Add a new midfield on top of that who might be unsure of who goes and who drops? It could have been an unmitigated disaster.

In contrast, when we were attacking in the second half, playing quick passes and making darting runs between the lines the stability really showed, broadly speaking everyone knew where to expect each other.

I think people are trying to draw too many conclusions from Wenger's line up. The main thing to take away tonight is how the team ground out the result. In the previous few seasons our discipline would have collapsed if we'd been torn apart like we were in those initial stages of the game.

a very reasoned thought out post... on an arsenal thread...

You lost mate? :pac:

L'prof

Great result on a night where they could have been absolutely annihilated.

mansize

keano_afc

We got away with it though. We are lucky that most of their chances fell to probably the most overrated striker ever to play the game. The team selection was dire, and the players got Wenger out of jail big time.

carltonleon

keano_afc wrote: »

The team selection was dire, and the players got Wenger out of jail big time.

Is that not a paradox ?

DvB

As poor as the performance was, the result leaves us genuinely in the driving seat to top the group. Starting with a point away to the top seeds is on paper an excellent start, up to the team to build on it now...

keano_afc

carltonleon wrote: »

Is that not a paradox ?

Absolutely not. The draw was in spite of Wenger, not because of him. Coquelin was our furthest player forward at times. Is that his strength? As a result Cazorla was outnumbered in midfield. Chamberlain is woefully out of form but was picked.

As I said, if they had a half decent striker we would have been dead and buried.

wonga77

I know its not his gig but Coq got into some good positions yesterday, if only he could score. Why was he so far forward at times though?