Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

wandatowell

Phew!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

gosplan wrote: »

Grand.

But it's a bit silly saying it's a definite red if you don't know why.

It's a terrible tackle! It's a red... what more do you want?

Are you a solicitor or something? What are you asking these stupid questions for?

RED CARD.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

Not really worried by the up front bit, we still scored 3. The backline was the shakiest I've seen since the Liverpool match though.

Yep. Sometimes I wonder if our defenders can actually jump. They were beaten in the air every time today.

Barlett

WENGER IN!!

wandatowell

That red was very very harsh.

Would love to hear what the refs take on it is.

Hugh Mungus

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

It's a terrible tackle! It's a red... what more do you want?

Are you a solicitor or something? What are you asking these stupid questions for?

RED CARD.

Yeah, but it was in no way violent or dangerous. It was only cynical. I wouldn't have been surprised if it was a yellow.

Tony has done us a favour today i see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_7W-h0T618

emmetlego

Deserved the win, we could have had 3 or 4 more any other day with all the close off sides, some of which were not...

Monreal was poor today, but was offered little protection from LMF, however, we are usually poor defensively after interlull. Monreal got a late call up to Spain, so I'll allow him some breathing space...

Theo on his hat trick and misses a sitter form 6 metres!

For me Xhaka was a yellow. But his first poor game for Arsenal, but he will hopefully recover.

Joint top as the other fellows only drew... Not a bad day at the office, and glad to be back

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Yep. Sometimes I wonder if our defenders can actually jump. They were beaten in the air every time today.

White men cant jump according to Wesley Snipes and co

Skylinehead

emmetlego wrote: »

Monreal was poor today, but was offered little protection from LMF, however, we are usually poor defensively after interlull.

This is important. Iwobi's class, but his defensive game is seriously not good enough. Monreal has looked poor this season precisely because he's constantly exposed.

greendom

I think the game was virtually won when Barrow went off to be replaced by Rangel. All their attacks seemed to come from his side.

It was pure cynicism by Xhaka but not sure if that's enough to warrant a red, especially in the opposition half.

gosplan

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

It's a terrible tackle! It's a red... what more do you want?

Are you a solicitor or something? What are you asking these stupid questions for?

RED CARD.

Because i was surprised by the red. I thought it was a yellow all day long.

You said it's a definite red so I just asked you why.

Soups123

When you remember the international break, these being our bogey team, the other results 3 points was all that mattered today, job done!

Take the 3 points, bollock a few of the players and move on.

gosplan

Monreal had a poor game but was this not the first international break in ages he was called up for Spain?

Soups123

Soups123 wrote: »

When you remember the international break, these being our bogey team, the other results 3 points was all that mattered today, job done!

Yep true enough. Have to say i liked the attitude shown by the team. There was an urgency to win that has been missing with quite a while. There seems to be a bit more leadership among the players too. Ozil for one seemed to be very vocal.

Quazzie

Basil3 wrote: »

Yeah, but it was in no way violent or dangerous. It was only cynical. I wouldn't have been surprised if it was a yellow.

It was a red card all day long. Xhaka kicked out at a player when he had absolutely no chance of getting the ball. He wasnt tacking, he wasnt just holding a player back. He kicked another player off the ball. Red card all day, every day!

If that's all he has in his box of tricks he may settle for being a very expensive bench warmer. Coq can be careless but he's not stupid and that's exactly what Xhaka has proven to be today.

jamescd

I agree, it should have been a yellow. You see midfielders taking one for the team every match. Only way it could have been a red is if Xhaka was the last man. But he definitely wasn't, there were other defenders around to cover.

Shame the spuds didn't lose though. Chadli scored the opening goal in the 82nd minute. Would have been great if they held on for the remaining 8 minutes or so (+added time).

gosplan

Quazzie wrote: »

It was a red card all day long. Xhaka kicked out at a player when he had absolutely no chance of getting the ball. He wasnt tacking, he was holding a player back. He kicked another player off the ball. Red card all day, every day!

If that's all he has in his box of tricks he may settle for being a very expensive bench warmer. Coq can be careless but he's not stupid and that's exactly what Xhaka has proven to be today.

He tripped him.

My question remains.

Was that a violent conduct red or a cynical goalscoring opportunity red?

Having no chance of getting the ball only makes a difference with the latter.

Look, we won, I don't care now but it seems people are saying

'That was a crap tackle, he wasn't near the ball and it was cynical'

NONE of those things are a red card.

Xhaka took a clear yellow card by cynically tripping a player's trailing leg so an attack couldn't take place.

But it was red?

Quazzie

gosplan wrote: »

He tripped him.

My question remains.

Was that a violent conduct red or a cynical goalscoring opportunity red?

Having no chance of getting the ball only makes a difference with the latter.

Look, we won, I don't care now but it seems people are saying

'That was a crap tackle, he wasn't near the ball and it was cynical'

NONE of those things are a red card.

Xhaka took a clear yellow card by cynically tripping a player's trailing leg so an attack couldn't take place.

But it was red?

He didn't trip him. He kicked him. He kicked a player off the ball. Stop describing as a trip or a tackle because this was neither. He kicked another player.

gosplan

Quazzie wrote: »

He didn't trip him. He kicked him. He kicked a player off the ball. Stop describing as a trip or a tackle because this was neither. He kicked another player.

Only one question.

Is this video violent conduct and a three match ban?

http://arsenalist.com/f/2016-17/arsenal-vs-swansea/granit-xhaka-red-card.html

tayto lover

Quazzie wrote: »

He didn't trip him. He kicked him. He kicked a player off the ball. Stop describing as a trip or a tackle because this was neither. He kicked another player.

I didn't see it.
I was too far away and the linesman was blocking my view. :pac:

JustTheOne

Quazzie wrote: »

It was a red card all day long. Xhaka kicked out at a player when he had absolutely no chance of getting the ball. He wasnt tacking, he wasnt just holding a player back. He kicked another player off the ball. Red card all day, every day!

If that's all he has in his box of tricks he may settle for being a very expensive bench warmer. Coq can be careless but he's not stupid and that's exactly what Xhaka has proven to be today.

Remember coq against spurs last season?

Quazzie

gosplan wrote: »

Only one question.

Is this video violent conduct and a three match ban?

http://arsenalist.com/f/2016-17/arsenal-vs-swansea/granit-xhaka-red-card.html

Yes.

FixitFelix

Quazzie wrote: »

Yes.

Not in a million years is that violent conduct or a red card, 100% it will be over turned. Over 50 yards from goal with 2 covering players

gosplan

Quazzie wrote: »

Yes.

Fair enough.

I'd see it as a cynical trip.

I think that was a real 'underdogs' red card. No way do a team like Arsenal or City get that red given against their opposition if they're ahead.

Then it becomes the clever yellow.

Quazzie

FixitFelix wrote: »

Not in a million years is that violent conduct or a red card, 100% it will be over turned. Over 50 yards from goal with 2 covering players

He kicked a player, with no intention other than to foul him. It was also from behind. He didn't trip him, or pull him down by the jersey, or even make a bad tackle to try win the ball. He seen a player running away from him that he couldn't catch and he kicked him. Dangerous play. Red Card.

dinorebel

tayto lover wrote: »

I didn't see it.
I was too far away and the linesman was blocking my view. :pac:

Arsene is that you?

FixitFelix

Quazzie wrote: »

He kicked a player, with no intention other than to foul him. It was also from behind. He didn't trip him, or pull him down by the jersey, or even make a bad tackle to try win the ball. He seen a player running away from him that he couldn't catch and he kicked him. Dangerous play. Red Card.

None of the above, not dangerous play or anything near it,was a yellow card and that's it. He clipped his heels give over . The fact you think it's dangerous play is laughable

FixitFelix

FixitFelix wrote: »

None of the above, not dangerous play or anything near it,was a yellow card and that's it. He clipped his heels give over . The fact you think it's dangerous play is laughable

This.

It was an ankle tap. Saying he 'kicked a player' is like saying Theo was punched in the face. A tad extreme.

FixitFelix

Basil3 wrote: »

This.

It was an ankle tap. Saying he 'kicked a player' is like saying Theo was punched in the face. A tad extreme.

Not a tad extreme, it's living in cuckoo land

djan

Regarding the red card, if you watch the video closely, Xhaka tripped him up by clipping his shin. Borrow made the most of it and the whole thing was made look worse because it was a breakaway (not last man at that). If this happened near a bunch of players, say around the box it would just be a yellow and no one would bat an eye lid. Same way if a player pulls back someone's arm to stop them running away. No intent there to win the ball back either. What's the difference there.

Arsenal weren't exactly convincing, but the refereeing in this game was dire. Wrong fouls and offsides galore.

Overall though a great match day with all the other big teams dropping points. Hopefully this serves like a good nearly scare to get the intensity of before the international break back.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I think its clearly a red anyway, the only explanation I have for people saying its a yellow is arsenal tinted glasses. It really doesn't matter though, 3 points in the bag and Coq can do a better job than Xhaka did in the next game.

Quazzie

Basil3 wrote: »

This.

It was an ankle tap. Saying he 'kicked a player' is like saying Theo was punched in the face. A tad extreme.

An ankle tap?? He connected up near his knee FFS. :rolleyes:

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

An ankle tap?? He connected up near his knee FFS. :rolleyes:

He fell over by tripping over himself. Ankle tap is a figure of speech, it doesn't necessarily have to touch the ankle. He flicked one leg into the other. Maybe you don't use that term in Ireland, I dunno.

FixitFelix

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

I think its clearly a red anyway, the only explanation I have for people saying its a yellow is arsenal tinted glasses. It really doesn't matter though, 3 points in the bag and Coq can do a better job than Xhaka did in the next game.

Rose tinted glasses?? And no coq can't do a better job

FixitFelix

Basil3 wrote: »

He fell over by tripping over himself. Ankle tap is a figure of speech, it doesn't necessarily have to touch the ankle. He flicked one leg into the other. Maybe you don't use that term in Ireland, I dunno.

We do use it, well the people who know what they're talking about

Quazzie

FixitFelix wrote: »

Rose tinted glasses?? And no coq can't do a better job

Ha. Why do you think Coq can't do a better job? He has been doing a better job for over a year now. Coq is the most underappreciated player in the Arsenal team, and mostly by people who only judge players by their transfer fee.

FixitFelix

Quazzie wrote: »

Ha. Why do you think Coq can't do a better job? He has been doing a better job for over a year now. Coq is the most underappreciated player in the Arsenal team, and mostly by people who only judge players by their transfer fee.

Yeah that's exactly it, you're right

gosplan

That's it lads.

Find the argument. It's in there somewhere.


I'm out. I was just surprised by the red. Thought it was a clear trip and a yellow. Asked people saying got was a red what type of red it was.

Don't give a **** now though.

Joint top and we're arguing.

Soups123

gosplan wrote: »

Only one question.

Is this video violent conduct and a three match ban?

http://arsenalist.com/f/2016-17/arsenal-vs-swansea/granit-xhaka-red-card.html

First time I've seen it that's a shocking red card! It's a cynical yellow that will be won on appeal

Soups123

gosplan wrote: »

That's it lads.

Find the argument. It's in there somewhere.


I'm out. I was just surprised by the red. Thought it was a clear trip and a yellow. Asked people saying got was a red what type of red it was.

Don't give a **** now though.

Joint top and we're arguing.

Your points were bang on, how any Gunner thinks that's a red is beyond me, non gunners well.......

L'prof

Absolutely delighted with that result, especially since they were down to 10 men! Lost to Swansea in Emirates last year too and the Arsenal of the last 10 years would have dropped points today. 6 wins on the bounce and is that 7 goals in 9 games from Walcott??? I need to pinch myself!!!

mansize

The game was exciting off to see Panti in Soho with my other gay friends now.

Have we concluded if the red was justified yet?

Iluvjazzmasters

As a longtime arsenal fan Walcott will always frustrate me. Fair enough he has pace and gets some goals but he just does not have a football brain. His general technique, general play and decision making has not improved.

It is a shame as I had high hopes for him. Not trying to start an argument I just think his time as an arsenal player has been wasted. Do other gunners feel the same or do they think he is a quality player??

Iluvjazzmasters

Iluvjazzmasters wrote: »

As a longtime arsenal fan Walcott will always frustrate me. Fair enough he has pace and gets some goals but he just does not have a football brain. His general technique, general play and decision making has not improved.

It is a shame as I had high hopes for him. Not trying to start an argument I just think his time as an arsenal player has been wasted. Do other gunners feel the same or do they think he is a quality player??

I think he will never be world class, but I think he is a decent player. I think that he has ended up injured every time he's found a run of form.

I'm also sick of hearing the term football brain. Is football the only sport that has its own brain? It's the only one I ever hear about.

I also find it strange that people bring up topics like this about him after he has a good match.

MonsterCookie

Iluvjazzmasters wrote: »

As a longtime arsenal fan Walcott will always frustrate me. Fair enough he has pace and gets some goals but he just does not have a football brain. His general technique, general play and decision making has not improved.

It is a shame as I had high hopes for him. Not trying to start an argument I just think his time as an arsenal player has been wasted. Do other gunners feel the same or do they think he is a quality player??

I know what you mean - that was a dreadful miss late on when Ox played him in. Overall though he's having a good season so far and still gets slated here on a day when he scores two decent goals!!

Iluvjazzmasters

Iluvjazzmasters wrote: »

As a longtime arsenal fan Walcott will always frustrate me. Fair enough he has pace and gets some goals but he just does not have a football brain. His general technique, general play and decision making has not improved.

It is a shame as I had high hopes for him. Not trying to start an argument I just think his time as an arsenal player has been wasted. Do other gunners feel the same or do they think he is a quality player??

id agree. That said though with pace like he has perhaps he doesn't need to have too many strings to his bow. A bit of composure and awareness perhaps. He needs to be braver as we know already and his attitude needed to buck up which early indicators suggest it has. I suppose

To his credit he bagged two and barring the bit of extra luck he should have bagged four today and i was impressed with his movement and turn for the chance that hit the bottom of the post. There was anticipation and hunger behind it. The ball across to him wasn't the best either i felt because it could have been intercepted as easy.

Ive been hard on him and i felt it was justifiable to a degree because he needed to step up. Is it a confidence/self doubt thing he suffers from too?

tayto lover

If a world class striker got the chances Walcott got today he'd have scored at least four goals. Some of his misses were awful. He does get into great positions though and will always get goals because of this.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

If a world class striker got the chances Walcott got today he'd have scored at least four goals. Some of his misses were awful. He does get into great positions though and will always get goals because of this.

he was unlucky with hitting the post twice. His execution was pretty good for the two chances.