Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

JustTheOne

FixitFelix wrote: »

Don't see that in any rules, when the bring that in? Saturday before kick off?

I'm just repeating what they said on Sunday.

If they are wrong then I'm wrong.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/alex-oxlade-chamberlain-explains-clumsy-granit-xhaka-correctly-sent-off-v-swansea/

Ol' Donie

JustTheOne wrote: »

Its a new rule brought in this season.

They said it on goals on Sunday, a deliberate trip is now a straight red.

Ref was 100% correct.

What, anywhere on the pitch?

So was this the first deliberate trip this season?!

Seems a little odd that such a big rule change slipped under the radar.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

http://arsenalist.com/f/2016-17/arsenal-vs-chelsea/ivanovic-yellow-card-after-beautiful-arsenal-play.html

So this should be red?

As I keep saying - there's rules for Arsenal players and rules for the remainder.
Referees rarely treat us the same as other teams.

JustTheOne

Did anyone read the link?


"Because Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain revealed afterwards that all Premier League teams were forewarned that a a deliberate foul with no chance of getting the ball is a sending off as of this season"


That's in the link.

keano_afc

I guarantee there's no rule that says "a deliberate trip is a red card". Anywhere on the pitch? Only if the player is heading towards goal? Xhaka's foul merited a yellow card. Nothing more. The referee simply made a mistake.

AdamD

Funnily enough I haven't seen anyone else sent off for the deliberate trips which stop counter attacks and result in yellows 2 or 3 times in every PL game this season.

keano_afc

JustTheOne wrote: »

Did anyone read the link?


"Because Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain revealed afterwards that all Premier League teams were forewarned that a a deliberate foul with no chance of getting the ball is a sending off as of this season"


That's in the link.

But that cant possibly be the wording of the rule. Otherwise we're going to have 10 red cards a game if its enforced consistently.

JustTheOne

keano_afc wrote: »

But that cant possibly be the wording of the rule. Otherwise we're going to have 10 red cards a game if its enforced consistently.

Maybe so. I'm just repeating what they said.

Ken Shamrock

This "trip" was different, it wasn't a shirt pull or sticking a sly foot out it was a calculated cynical slide tackle with no intention or possibility of winning the ball. Red is harsh IMO but it was how it looked rather than what it was that made the ref send him off IMO.

I wonder how different opinions may be if it was Walcott on the break getting taken out in that manner

Ol' Donie

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

This "trip" was different, it wasn't a shirt pull or sticking a sly foot out it was a calculated cynical slide tackle with no intention or possibility of winning the ball. Red is harsh IMO but it was how it looked rather than what it was that made the ref send him off IMO.

I wonder how different opinions may be if it was Walcott on the break getting taken out in that manner

In his own half? We'd all say it was a yellow.

Ken Shamrock

Ol' Donie wrote: »

In his own half? We'd all say it was a yellow.

Well look already it's different, when praising Xhaka it's "He stopped a 4 on 2" and "took one for the team and prevented a goal". Now when it's reversed sure he was in his own half?

I'm just saying it's not outrageous and people are easily swayed when decisions go against their team.

L'prof

Ludogorets can't come quickly enough!!!

Skylinehead

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

This "trip" was different, it wasn't a shirt pull or sticking a sly foot out it was a calculated cynical slide tackle with no intention or possibility of winning the ball. Red is harsh IMO but it was how it looked rather than what it was that made the ref send him off IMO.

I wonder how different opinions may be if it was Walcott on the break getting taken out in that manner

What about the Ivanovic one I posted? He had no chance of getting the ball there, yet I'd never say that's a red card. Sure, it's far less obvious, but even so.

Ken Shamrock

Skylinehead wrote: »

What about the Ivanovic one I posted? He had no chance of getting the ball there, yet I'd never say that's a red card. Sure, it's far less obvious, but even so.

I don't know man your link wouldn't work for me. I'm not saying it should have been red or that I would have given a red cause I wouldn't I'm just saying if he had pulled him down he would have been fine so it was a mistake to dive in the way he did.

gitzy16v

I thought it was red as it happened...looking back it seemed harsh...now with the ox stating the ref told them i can understand why it was red...
Anyway isnt it great that he wont be missed with le coq back,love this depth in midfield now.

Ol' Donie

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Well look already it's different, when praising Xhaka it's "He stopped a 4 on 2" and "took one for the team and prevented a goal". Now when it's reversed sure he was in his own half?

I'm just saying it's not outrageous and people are easily swayed when decisions go against their team.

Sigh. If Theo got tripped in his own half, it would be a yellow. I haven't reversed anything. I'm saying exactly the same thing.

tayto lover

Match against Swansea is over. Move on please.

FixitFelix

tayto lover wrote: »

Match against Swansea is over. Move on please.

Not until we play our next match

gitzy16v

tayto lover wrote: »

Match against Swansea is over. Move on please.

How many 'should' we be beating this Ludgorets side by...4,5,6...7...
I'll go out on a limb and say a shaky 2-0 win.
My team...Ospina,Gibbs,Kostafi,Bellerin
Coq,Caz,
Iwobi,Ozil,Ox
Sanchez
I'd only leave Theo out to give the ox another opportunity to prove himself,I know I know he's had plenty.

tayto lover

gitzy16v wrote: »

How many 'should' we be beating this Ludgorets side by...4,5,6...7...
I'll go out on a limb and say a shaky 2-0 win.
My team...Ospina,Gibbs,Kostafi,Bellerin
Coq,Caz,
Iwobi,Ozil,Ox
Sanchez
I'd only leave Theo out to give the ox another opportunity to prove himself,I know I know he's had plenty.

I think Wenger will rest a few players. We might see Perez start and we might see Gibbs and Ox.

brianregan09

We shouldn't rest players , Win the 2 Ludogorets games we'll have 10 points and more or less qualified with 2 games to spare , We faffed around last year with changes against Belgrade or whoever it was and Olympiacos and paid for it by dropping 6 handy points

gitzy16v

I'd love to see Perez start,just thinking he might not be the best option if Ludo put 10 behind the ball

greendom

brianregan09 wrote: »

We shouldn't rest players , Win the 2 Ludogorets games we'll have 10 points and more or less qualified with 2 games to spare , We faffed around last year with changes against Belgrade or whoever it was and Olympiacos and paid for it by dropping 6 handy points

We have a big squad with excellent players. The likes of Elneny, Perez, Gibbs and Gabriel should be starting on Weds

Bobby Baccala

gitzy16v wrote: »

I'd love to see Perez start,just thinking he might not be the best option if Ludo put 10 behind the ball

From looking at a few YouTube videos he seems to like having a pop from range as well so that wouldn't bother me. I just want him getting as many minutes as possible tbh, he looks a good player.

mansize

Watching the awful football on telly now, remembering the exciting football from Saturday...

Playing Football the Arsenal way!

FixitFelix

Absolute **** it is

emmetlego

Can they both lose please?

tayto lover

Both teams determined not to lose.
Awful shyte altogether.

marvin80

tayto lover wrote: »

Both teams determined not to lose.
Awful shyte altogether.

To be fair Liverpool are trying to give it a go but Jose has United setup to take a 0-0 draw if possible, brutal game

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Both teams determined not to lose.
Awful shyte altogether.

A nice draw will suit us the finest. Jose is a horrible spoiler. You spend 100m on one player and you still play negatively. Specialist in puke

Ol' Donie

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A nice draw will suit us the finest. Jose is a horrible spoiler. You spend 100m on one player and you still play negatively. Specialist in puke

When do we get a crack at them? We have to take him down this year.

MonsterCookie

Ol' Donie wrote: »

When do we get a crack at them? We have to take him down this year.

Nov 19 at the theatre of dreggs

Gus99

gitzy16v wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

Match against Swansea is over. Move on please.

How many 'should' we be beating this Ludgorets side by...4,5,6...7...
I'll go out on a limb and say a shaky 2-0 win.
My team...Ospina,Gibbs,Kostafi,Bellerin
Coq,Caz,
Iwobi,Ozil,Ox
Sanchez
I'd only leave Theo out to give the ox another opportunity to prove himself,I know I know he's had plenty.

I'd take the shaky 2:0 win if we decided to only field 10 players ...

gitzy16v

Gus99 wrote: »

I'd take the shaky 2:0 win if we decided to only field 10 players ...

Aha your wrong,Koscielny and Mustafi are so good together they can't be separated...they are now Kostafi...

MonsterCookie

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Nov 19 at the theatre of dreggs

Ha ha very good i love it

Ol' Donie

Ol' Donie wrote: »

When do we get a crack at them? We have to take him down this year.

Hopefully we'll storm out of the traps and knock them kicking with a few goals the first few minutes

Gus99

JustTheOne wrote: »

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Xhaka should have just rugby tackled him. Have never seen anyone get sent off for that.

Its a new rule brought in this season.

They said it on goals on Sunday, a deliberate trip is now a straight red.

Ref was 100% correct.

Just curious - where is this stated in the rules?
I don't see this in the list of Sending Off offences on the FA website
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Gus99

gitzy16v wrote: »

Gus99 wrote: »

I'd take the shaky 2:0 win if we decided to only field 10 players ...

Aha your wrong,Koscielny and Mustafi are so good together they can't be separated...they are now Kostafi...

ahh.. I see what you did there :-)

gitzy16v

Gus99 wrote: »

ahh.. I see what you did there :-)[/quote

]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u4z7QFpiwpk

They can't be separated after sorting that clown out hahaha

gitzy16v

gitzy16v wrote: »

Gus99 wrote: »

ahh.. I see what you did there :-)[/quote
]


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u4z7QFpiwpk

They can't be separated after sorting that clown out hahaha

marvin80

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Nov 19 at the theatre of dreggs

November 6th we're at home to Spurs, international week I presume the following week, then away to United.

JustTheOne

Gus99 wrote: »

Just curious - where is this stated in the rules?
I don't see this in the list of Sending Off offences on the FA website
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

For the 10th time.

I'm just repeating what ox and the commentators said on Sunday.


"Because Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain revealed afterwards that all Premier League teams were forewarned that a a deliberate foul with no chance of getting the ball is a sending off as of this season"

CatInABox

JustTheOne wrote: »

For the 10th time.

I'm just repeating what ox and the commentators said on Sunday.


"Because Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain revealed afterwards that all Premier League teams were forewarned that a a deliberate foul with no chance of getting the ball is a sending off as of this season"

Yeah, from everything that I've read and heard over the years, it seems like there's the official rulebook, and then there's the "unofficial" rulebook, with the unofficial rulebook being explained pre-match by the referee.

It's really just a clarification on what the referee is going to focus on, or what he's been told to focus on.

It's a bit weird that they don't just update the rulebook, but I think that requires more effort on their part, with committees and the like.

ronjo

I think he deserved the red card.




runs away......

emmetlego

Anyway, enough of this red madness, what's done is done, and what's won is won, and what's lost, is lost and gone for ever. Sorry Phil Coulter. I couldn't resist!

Ludogrets. Should we play Perez, Elneny, Gabriel, Gibbs and Ospina? If so, for who?

Pepe LeFrits

Perez for Cech, Elneny for Walcott, Gabriel for Monreal, Gibbs for Sanchez and Ospina for Cazorla

Seriously though, all should play.

5star02707

Ospina is a sure starter when it comes to Champions League. El Neny could play but so as Xhaka since he has a 3 match EPL ban. Gibbs will play instead of Monreal

emmetlego

5star02707 wrote: »

Gibbs will play instead of Monreal

This is a certainty. I'd say Wenger wants to rest Monreal because he didn't look too sharp against Barrow on Saturday, how much of that was down to tiredness from a rare international call up, or down to a a lack of help from Iwobi is debateable, but his tiredness will be resolved either way.

Ken Shamrock

emmetlego wrote: »

This is a certainty. I'd say Wenger wants to rest Monreal because he didn't look too sharp against Barrow on Saturday, how much of that was down to tiredness from a rare international call up, or down to a a lack of help from Iwobi is debateable, but his tiredness will be resolved either way.

I think it was just down to Monreal not being able to deal with his pace, he hasn't had the best start to the season Monreal, I'm quite worried to be honest.

greendom

Swansea wingers often seem to have field days against Arsenal. The horror show that was Montero against Chambers is still very vivid in my mind