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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016/2017

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  • #4302
    FixitFelix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Joel would have been a lot better than Ox or Iwobi yesterday.
    Always gave 100%.

    Giving 100% isn't the problem, lacking ability is


  • #4303
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    FixitFelix wrote: »
    Giving 100% isn't the problem, lacking ability is

    Still much better than not giving 100% and still lacking ability.


  • #4304
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    FixitFelix wrote: »
    Giving 100% isn't the problem, lacking ability is

    That's true. Apparently yesterday the team collectively covered more ground than in any other game this season. Plenty of effort but not enough penetration.


  • #4305
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    greendom wrote: »
    That's true. Apparently yesterday the team collectively covered more ground than in any other game this season. Plenty of effort but not enough penetration.

    "They were too nervous" apparently.
    They should have been chomping at the bit for Spurs.


  • #4306
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    greendom wrote: »
    That's true. Apparently yesterday the team collectively covered more ground than in any other game this season. Plenty of effort but not enough penetration.

    And my comment was in reply to the post on Campbell.


  • #4307
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    No-one has beaten Spurs yet. A derby makes it harder, a draw was an acceptable result to me.


  • #4308
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mansize wrote: »
    No-one has beaten Spurs yet. A derby makes it harder, a draw was an acceptable result to me.

    #Being happy with a home draw probably defines us.


  • #4309
    emmetlego
    Registered Users Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    Well, not really us. I certainly wasn't happy!


  • #4310
    emmetlego
    Registered Users Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    Well, not really us. I certainly wasn't happy!


  • #4311
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    #Being happy with a home draw probably defines us.

    A home draw against a title contender.


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  • #4312
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mansize wrote: »
    A home draw against a title contender.

    You reckon both are title contenders?


  • #4313
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You reckon both are title contenders?

    I think they are


  • #4314
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You reckon both are title contenders?

    I think this year they both could mount a serious challenge


  • #4315
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    greendom wrote: »
    I think they are

    Spurs won't even make Top 4.


  • #4316
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    emmetlego wrote: »
    Well, not really us. I certainly wasn't happy!

    Which one of the other Six were you? (Grumpy is taken on this forum) I'm Doc I think


  • #4317
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Spurs won't even make Top 4.

    I respectfully disagree, but could be 5th in tight title race


  • #4318
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mansize wrote: »
    I respectfully disagree

    Time will tell.


  • #4319
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Time will tell.

    It always does.


  • #4320
    wonga77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭wonga77


    A draw yesterday was probably a fair result but not one that the fans or players should be too happy with, it wasnt like they played us off the park or anything, in fact they were there for the taking but we didnt create a massive amount, although Iwobi missed a great chance in the first half, it was nothing like a north London derby in fairness, very tame


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  • #4321
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    mansize wrote: »
    It always does.

    With all due respect, so far it's proven Tayto right more than it has you in the past.


  • #4322
    Alfred Borden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Stats below. Missed the game but fierce disappointed with the result. Iwobi out for Ramsey hopefully after the break.

    Player|Goals|Total Goals|Assists|Total Assists
    Sanchez|6|8|3|5
    Walcott|5|8|2|2
    Ozil|3|7|1|3
    Oxlade Chamberlain|1|5|1|3
    Giroud|2|3|0|1
    Xhaka|1|3|0|0
    Cazorla|2|2|2|3
    Koscielny|2|2|0|0
    Perez|0|2|0|3
    Chambers|1|1|0|0
    Ramsey|0|0|1|2
    Iwobi|0|0|3|3
    Elneny|0|0|1|2
    Bellerin|0|0|1|1
    Gibbs|0|0|1|1
    Akpom|0|0|0|1
    Own Goal|1|1|0|0


  • #4323
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Quazzie wrote: »
    With all due respect, so far it's proven Tayto right more than it has you in the past.

    Regarding what?

    I was right about where we'd finish last 4 seasons
    I was right about Wilshere
    I was right to back Wenger


  • #4324
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    wonga77 wrote: »
    A draw yesterday was probably a fair result but not one that the fans or players should be too happy with, it wasnt like they played us off the park or anything, in fact they were there for the taking but we didnt create a massive amount, although Iwobi missed a great chance in the first half, it was nothing like a north London derby in fairness, very tame

    I thought (apart from the last 1/4) it was a decent game if football with attacking from both sides


  • #4325
    wonga77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭wonga77


    mansize wrote: »
    I thought (apart from the last 1/4) it was a decent game if football with attacking from both sides

    Only 5 shots on target between the two teams over 90 minutes, probably one of the lowest tallys over the weekend in the premier league, Im not really disagreeing with you, I just thought it promised so much and was all a bit flat


  • #4326
    emmetlego
    Registered Users Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    mansize wrote: »
    I was right to back Wenger
    Time will tell!!


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  • #4327
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    emmetlego wrote: »
    Time will tell!!

    In the past I backed him and he has justified not being sacked.

    So time did tell- repeatedly


  • #4328
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mansize wrote: »
    In the past I backed him and he has justified not being sacked.

    So time did tell- repeatedly

    How did Wenger justify not being sacked?


  • #4329
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    How did Wenger justify not being sacked?

    He has matched and exceeded the expectations of the club while being financially prudent while others around him burned brightly quickly, then burned out.

    When would you have sacked him?


  • #4330
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,426 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mansize wrote: »
    He has matched and exceeded the expectations of the club while being financially prudent while others around him burned brightly quickly, then burned out.

    When would you have sacked him?

    He hasn't matched my expectations or that of a great number of fans.
    He has not won the league in 12 years.
    Finishing in the Top 4 is not everyones cup of tea.


  • #4331
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    mansize wrote: »
    I was right about where we'd finish last 4 seasons
    Unless I'm mistaken you backed us to challenge for the title every year. We haven't.
    mansize wrote: »
    I was right about Wilshere
    Right about what? That he's injury prone and needs to get a season of regular football under his belt, because that's happening now.
    mansize wrote: »
    I was right to back Wenger
    That's very much up for debate at best and many of us still vehemently believe that you are wrong on that one. He has definitely not done enough to justify the boards faith in him yet.


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  • #4332
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Unless I'm mistaken you backed us to challenge for the title every year. We haven't.
    Right about what? That he's injury prone and needs to get a season of regular football under his belt, because that's happening now.
    That's very much up for debate at best and many of us still vehemently believe that you are wrong on that one. He has definitely not done enough to justify the boards faith in him yet.

    We do that where we'd finish. I've gotten it right. I don't ever recall saying we'd mount a credable title challenge.

    Wenger could win the league for a forth time and there would still be whinging on this thread.

    Wilshere isn't at the standard Arsenal expect. He ain't setting he League alive at Bournemouth either


  • #4333
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    He hasn't matched my expectations or that of a great number of fans.
    He has not won the league in 12 years.
    Finishing in the Top 4 is not everyones cup of tea.

    A minority of Arsenal fans. The overwhelming majority back Wenger. Even the tepid "protest" showed that.

    In those 12 years they built a new stadium. Maintained CL football- unlike any other PL club and won the FA Cup 3 times


  • #4334
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    tayto lover wrote: »
    He hasn't matched my expectations or that of a great number of fans.
    He has not won the league in 12 years.
    Finishing in the Top 4 is not everyones cup of tea.

    Would you have sacked him, and when?


  • #4335
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    mansize wrote: »
    Would you have sacked him, and when?

    I wouldn't have offered him a contract extension in 2014.


  • #4336
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I wouldn't have offered him a contract extension in 2014.

    On what grounds? After winning the FA Cup


  • #4337
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    mansize wrote: »
    On what grounds? After winning the FA Cup
    Yes. Allow him the grace of leaving on a high. He deserved that. He's done brilliant things for the club, both when winning and when not, but now we should be winning again and there are many people who believe he isn't able to bring that. We need to make the step up, and he isn't capable of making that step.


  • #4338
    Pepe LeFrits
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    We haven't made the last 8 of the CL since 2009. If you're going to talk expectations that has to be mentioned.


  • #4339
    DeclanRe
    Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭DeclanRe


    Bellerin about to sign a new deal.
    Great news - just need to get OZil and Sanchez tied up too!


  • #4340
    emmetlego
    Registered Users Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    DeclanRe wrote: »
    Bellerin about to sign a new deal.
    Great news - just need to get OZil and Sanchez tied up too!

    Lots of positive soundings about Bellerin and Ozil, but Sanchez news is very very quiet...


  • #4341
    jonneymendoza
    Registered Users Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭jonneymendoza


    mansize wrote: »
    Quazzie wrote: »
    I wouldn't have offered him a contract extension in 2014.

    On what grounds? After winning the FA Cup
    And the fact that we could have landed either pep or klopp at that time...


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  • #4342
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    jonneymendoza wrote: »
    And the fact that we could have landed either pep or klopp at that time...

    I believe Klopp will be Wengers successor. In a couple of seasons he's going to want to move to a big club. It will be perfect timing.


  • #4343
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    keano_afc wrote: »
    I believe Klopp will be Wengers successor. In a couple of seasons he's going to want to move to a big club. It will be perfect timing.
    There isn't a hope of this in my opinion. Klopp is a very loyal man. I don't think he'll ever manage another EPL team.


  • #4344
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    keano_afc wrote: »
    I believe Klopp will be Wengers successor. In a couple of seasons he's going to want to move to a big club. It will be perfect timing.

    I'd say there's almost zero chance of that. Klopp will probably be at Liverpool for another 3 or 4 years depending. Will likely move his family back to Germany and will eventually end up in the Bayern Munich job.


  • #4345
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    jonneymendoza wrote: »
    And the fact that we could have landed either pep or klopp at that time...

    Would they have come???

    I still say Wenger is the right choice


  • #4346
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    mansize wrote: »
    Would they have come???

    I still say Wenger is the right choice
    It's one of the best paid managers jobs in the world, in probably one of the THE most stable clubs in the world. Of course they would've came


  • #4347
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Quazzie wrote: »
    It's one of the best paid managers jobs in the world, in probably one of the THE most stable clubs in the world. Of course they would've came

    I wouldn't be so sure. Man City offer much more Largess as did Liverpool


  • #4348
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    mansize wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure. Man City offer much more Largess as did Liverpool
    Wenger is on 8.3 M per year, Klopp is on 7.0 M per year.


  • #4349
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Wenger is on 8.3 M per year, Klopp is on 7.0 M per year.

    Yeah, but Wenger is on his 20th year. Klopp has just finished his first.

    My guess is that any new manager won't be on any where near £8 million.


  • #4350
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    CatInABox wrote: »
    Yeah, but Wenger is on his 20th year. Klopp has just finished his first.

    My guess is that any new manager won't be on any where near £8 million.

    Pep is on 15 million a year and Mourinho 13.8 million. Ancellotti is on slightly more than Arsene and Zidane slightly less.

    http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-paid-football-managers/


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  • #4351
    AdamD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,748 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    If we consider the manager to be so important that the sole success of the club is pinned on that one person, who largely gets the blame if players under perform then its makes no sense to penny pinch, or even care about 1m in salary difference.


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