Car off the road, tax arrears

kevinm90

My car has been of the road with a year and a half and now they want over 1000euro in arrears can i sign my logbook over to a friends name and get them to sign it back over to me so the arrears will be gone

Cheensbo

Yes you can.

Gergiev

Cheensbo wrote: »

Yes you can.

That's interesting.

I'm looking at buying a car that's been off the road and untaxed for some time.

Does that mean as a new owner I'm not liable for back tax?

acronym Chilli

Gergiev wrote: »

That's interesting.

I'm looking at buying a car that's been off the road and untaxed for some time.

Does that mean as a new owner I'm not liable for back tax?

Absolutely. That's exactly the way it works. You're liable from purchase date.

But get online to tax it quickly if you buy, I was slow and ende up one month in arrears which is more expensive to pay than paying upfront.

uck51js9zml2yt

If there are arrears on a bought car they will show up online.
You need to do it on person at the office or by post. The online system doesn't recognise change of ownership sale dates.

colm_mcm

If you use the pin for the new owner (as in the last 6 digits of the new reg cert serial number) then there wouldn't be a problem.

uck51js9zml2yt

colm_mcm wrote: »

If you use the pin for the new owner (as in the last 6 digits of the new reg cert serial number) then there wouldn't be a problem.

If there is a gap in tax then the new owner pays the arrears online even though they might have only bought the vehicle.

Ie.
Tax expires January. Bought May. Arrears online Feb- April.

Tax office.
Arrears feb-apr entered as previous owner non use and wiped.

savagethegoat

you are quite wrong.

Whatever happens the new owner is only liable for the tax from first of month of purchase.

Once he waits for the name on the records to be changed, the arrears will disappear.

He cannot tax before that as the disc would be sent to the seller.

Buffman

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

If there is a gap in tax then the new owner pays the arrears online even though they might have only bought the vehicle.

Ie.
Tax expires January. Bought May. Arrears online Feb- April.

That will happen online if you don't wait for the ownership to change.

If you don't want to wait for the new vehicle registration to come in the post with the new PIN as suggested above, you have to keep checking here until it says the change of ownership has been processed. When that's done you can apply for the new PIN here and any arrears are wiped online for you to tax straight away.

uck51js9zml2yt

Buffman wrote: »

That will happen online if you don't wait for the ownership to change.

If you don't want to wait for the new vehicle registration to come in the post with the new PIN as suggested above, you have to keep checking here until it says the change of ownership has been processed. When that's done you can apply for the new PIN here and any arrears are wiped online for you to tax straight away.

It doesn't work with motortax.ie

I work in the department. I know it doesn't work. But if you think you're right, fire away!

acronym Chilli

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

It doesn't work with motortax.ie

I work in the department. I know it doesn't work. But if you think you're right, fire away!

Are you actually saying the new owner is liable for the arrears, or just debating the mechanics of how to process the payment?

Buffman

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

It doesn't work with motortax.ie

I work in the department. I know it doesn't work. But if you think you're right, fire away!

That's fair enough, I almost always use my local office anyway. So, are you saying there is 100% no way for anybody to pay tax online if the vehicle wasn't taxed when bought? If so motortax.ie is very misleading.

uck51js9zml2yt

Buffman wrote: »

That's fair enough, I almost always use my local office anyway. So, are you saying there is 100% no way for anybody to pay tax online if the vehicle wasn't taxed when bought? If so motortax.ie is very misleading.

First time taxing of a new vehicle must be done in person as a log book needs to be issued.

If it's used and a gap between tax expiry and date bought it needs to be done in person.
After that you can do it all online.

You can do it online if you you want to pay arrears that aren't yours '

savagethegoat

I'm sure you are wrong.

You can do this by post and once the system shows it has been processed the new owner can tax online from the first of the month of purchase, with no arrears, using the PIN retreival

Buffman

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

You can do it online if you you want to pay arrears that aren't yours '

Oh no, hell'd freeze over before I'd pay somebody else's tax!:D

This actually gives people a great defence in court. Keep a record of everything, show how you tried to pay your online tax but were denied because they tried to illegally make you pay arrears you didn't owe.

givyjoe

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

First time taxing of a new vehicle must be done in person as a log book needs to be issued.

If it's used and a gap between tax expiry and date bought it needs to be done in person.
After that you can do it all online.

You can do it online if you you want to pay arrears that aren't yours '

If you work in the department, you need some re-training. The car I bought recently was out of tax in april. I bought in June, received the log book two weeks later. Registered my details on the motor tax site, and payed the tax from June to August. No liability for the arrears.

As others have stated, the tax for the new owner runs from the month it was registered in your name. Sure you're taking a chance driving a purchased car, where the previous owner hadn't taxed it for yonks.. but the arrears is not the new owners problem whatsoever. Absolutely no need to be taxing a vehicle for the first time, in person.

uck51js9zml2yt

givyjoe wrote: »

If you work in the department, you need some re-training. The car I bought recently was out of tax in april. I bought in June, received the log book two weeks later. Registered my details on the motor tax site, and payed the tax from June to August. No liability for the arrears.

As others have stated, the tax for the new owner runs from the month it was registered in your name. Sure you're taking a chance driving a purchased car, where the previous owner hadn't taxed it for yonks.. but the arrears is not the new owners problem whatsoever. Absolutely no need to be taxing a vehicle for the first time, in person.

I said it could be done by post earlier in this thread.
The point is you can't do it online if there's a gap in tax prior to when it's bought by a new owner.

Motortax.ie just looks at the gap and doesn't recognise the change of ownership and will look for arrears regardless.

Cheensbo

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

I said it could be done by post earlier in this thread.
The point is you can't do it online if there's a gap in tax prior to when it's bought by a new owner.

Yes you absolutely can...

I did so very recently - bought car in June, it wasn't taxed since January. Waited for vlc - applied for pin online - taxed car from June online.

uck51js9zml2yt

Cheensbo wrote: »

Yes you absolutely can...

I did so very recently - bought car in June, it wasn't taxed since January. Waited for vlc - applied for pin online - taxed car from June online.

You know best so!

givyjoe

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

I said it could be done by post earlier in this thread.
The point is you can't do it online if there's a gap in tax prior to when it's bought by a new owner.

Motortax.ie just looks at the gap and doesn't recognise the change of ownership and will look for arrears regardless.

Yes.. you.. can.. As I have stated, I did this myself. As soon as I saw the logbook had been received by the department and change of ownership was registered.. I used the site to pay for my tax from June to August. I can assure you, I did not go to a tax office or do this by post. It's also not the first time I've done this when purchasing a new car.

This is the link I used to check change of owner, then went on my merry way paying for the tax online.

savagethegoat

I agree,once your details are in the system and you do a PIN retrieval, you absolutely can tax online.

Effects

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

If there are arrears on a bought car they will show up online.
You need to do it on person at the office or by post. The online system doesn't recognise change of ownership sale dates.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I got a car in May that had been off the road since June. I payed the tax online from date of change of ownership on the new logbook. I didn't have to pay arrears or do it in the office.

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

It doesn't work with motortax.ie
I work in the department. I know it doesn't work. But if you think you're right, fire away!

Sounds like you're a typical civil servant! You don't know how the system works but think that you do.

Cheensbo

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

You know best so!

Well it's no surprise that you work within the system in that case, seeing as you know nothing about it and have the dismissive attitude to boot.

I'm sharing actual experience here, I did exactly as my post above. So I guess I do know best in this case.



Op buy the car, wait for the vlc to come back, retrieve the pin online. Pay tax from month of date of sale. Success.

nhunter100

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote:

You know best so!

Stop digging, you're wrong. Bought plenty of cars with outdated tax never had to pay someone else's arrears and was always able to pay online. You work in the tax office? The public sector in this country is amazing.

traco

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

I said it could be done by post earlier in this thread.
The point is you can't do it online if there's a gap in tax prior to when it's bought by a new owner.

Motortax.ie just looks at the gap and doesn't recognise the change of ownership and will look for arrears regardless.

You are mistaken.

I did it all online when I bought a car at the start of the summer. Kept checking motortax online to see when they logged the ownership change and at that point I could tax it for the month or declare it off the road with no liabilities for previous owners untaxed period.

jharr100

I did the same. Car I bought in June hadn't had tax since last December. But there's no need for pin retrieval.. its the last 6 digits on the registration cert .. so just tax it online when the cert arrives . .

Gergiev

Many thanks for the replies.

All digested and understood - I think!

mgbgt1978

Ellison Chubby Spatula wrote: »

First time taxing of a new vehicle must be done in person as a log book needs to be issued.

If it's used and a gap between tax expiry and date bought it needs to be done in person.
After that you can do it all online.

You can do it online if you you want to pay arrears that aren't yours '

(a)Nobody here even mentioned a "New Vehicle" ???

(b)WTF are you talking about ??? Thousands of people in Ireland Tax a newly bought (used) car online every month. And they simply pay the Tax due from the start of the month in which they bought the car.
I'd suggest turning your head and asking the person beside you how the system works .

joeysoap

So if say two brothers had cars and didn't tax them for say 4 months but 'swooped' ownership both sets of arrears would be wiped. Would it work with a husband and wife?

nice_guy80

joeysoap wrote: »

So if say two brothers had cars and didn't tax them for say 4 months but 'swooped' ownership both sets of arrears would be wiped. Would it work with a husband and wife?

yes, as long as not done multiple times

but multiple owners wipe value off the car

joeysoap

There are ways around everything ! Not going to do, just curious