The biased Media vs Trump!

Wanderer78 · 13-10-2016 1:59pm

Overheal wrote: »

I cant even listen to Lostprophets anymore.

you're not missing much

Ozymandius2011 · 13-10-2016 2:03pm

alastair wrote: »

Except ogle them while they were undressed.

A Trump supporter who is also a TV presenter (forgot her name) was on CNN this morning and she said the loudspeaker gave them advance notice he was coming into the room presumably so they had a chance to get dressed,

alastair · 13-10-2016 2:06pm

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

A Trump supporter who is also a TV presenter (forgot her name) was on CNN this morning and she said the loudspeaker gave them advance notice he was coming into the room presumably so they had a chance to get dressed,

The girls say otherwise. I know who I believe. It's not the Trump spin doctor.

http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-naked-miss-usa-contestants-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon/

Overheal · 13-10-2016 2:37pm

Trump surrogate Katrina Pierson had to dig deep into the googles to try and disprove one of the NYT stories about being groped on a plane, attempting to argue that fold-up armrests were not a technological feature of 1980s aircraft.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-guest-cant-contain-his-laughter-at-katrina-piersons-trump-defense/

I've seen some stretches before but that's impressive

Igotadose · 13-10-2016 3:32pm

Overheal wrote: »

Trump surrogate Katrina Pierson had to dig deep into the googles to try and disprove one of the NYT stories about being groped on a plane, attempting to argue that fold-up armrests were not a technological feature of 1980s aircraft.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-guest-cant-contain-his-laughter-at-katrina-piersons-trump-defense/

I've seen some stretches before but that's impressive

All the panelists save one were at least giggling at her, if not out and out laughing.

At least she wasn't wearing her bullet necklace.

ebbsy · 13-10-2016 3:47pm

I have to laugh at the Irish media. Can't think for themselves and can't provide both sides of the story. Like sheep.

George Hook is the exception.

Anyone who starts a sentence with "most right minded people" or " I'm sure you will agree" is a person whose opinion is to be avoided in my view.

alastair · 13-10-2016 3:48pm

ebbsy wrote: »

I have to laugh at the Irish media. Can't think for themselves and can't provide both sides of the story. Like sheep.

Sometimes there is no 'other side to the story'. Or bizarrely concocted distractions from the story that don't warrant any coverage.

K-9 · 13-10-2016 3:50pm

George just takes the contrarian view for the ratings, he's the talk show equivalent of Dunphy on football.

Billy86 · 13-10-2016 3:50pm

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Don't be putting words in my mouth of course not. No evidence Trump did that to anyone who was underage

Ex pet for that court case he has starting on December 16th for raping a 13 year old girl in 1994.

KingBrian2 · 13-10-2016 3:55pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Ex pet for that court case he has starting on December 16th for raping a 13 year old girl in 1994.

Link before you accuse the man of rape.

Overheal · 13-10-2016 3:56pm

Rush Limbaugh: "Here come the rape police"

http://www.mediaite.com/online/__trashed-42/

About a week ago my old man posted high praise for this pundit's intelligence and how more people should listen to him.

When I tagged him in this today he told me to never tag him in anything political ever again.

His original post has since been removed

Overheal · 13-10-2016 3:57pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Link before you accuse the man of rape.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trump-to-head-to-court-in-december-for-allegedly-tying-up-and-raping-a-13-year-old-girl-report/

There you go.

Using the same standards as conservatives against Bill and Hillary: he raped a 13 year old girl. There. "but allegedly" where was allegedly when it suited your agenda?

keane2097 · 13-10-2016 4:04pm

Overheal wrote: »

Rush Limbaugh: "Here come the rape police"

http://www.mediaite.com/online/__trashed-42/

About a week ago my old man posted high praise for this pundit's intelligence and how more people should listen to him.

When I tagged him in this today he told me to never tag him in anything political ever again.

His original post has since been removed

Is that real life?

Overheal · 13-10-2016 4:06pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Is that real life?

Real life!

That's the thing: it's not that there aren't media outlets trying their hardest to defend Donald Trump - the problem is that he is so hard to defend, you have to do things like mock sexual consent in order to pull it off.

Pro Hoc Vice · 13-10-2016 4:09pm

Overheal wrote: »

Real life!

That's the thing: it's not that there aren't media outlets trying their hardest to defend Donald Trump - the problem is that he is so hard to defend, you have to do things like mock sexual consent in order to pull it off.

"Pull it off" God I'm have a teenage boys humour.

KingBrian2 · 13-10-2016 4:11pm

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trump-to-head-to-court-in-december-for-allegedly-tying-up-and-raping-a-13-year-old-girl-report/

There you go.

Using the same standards as conservatives against Bill and Hillary: he raped a 13 year old girl. There. "but allegedly" where was allegedly when it suited your agenda?

I accept your link as fact. All I ask is for links to be provided from a genuine source. Their is a lot of propaganda in the media issued by the Clinton's to smear Trump.

keane2097 · 13-10-2016 4:12pm

****ing hell :eek:

alastair · 13-10-2016 4:13pm

Overheal wrote: »

Real life!

That's the thing: it's not that there aren't media outlets trying their hardest to defend Donald Trump - the problem is that he is so hard to defend, you have to do things like mock sexual consent in order to pull it off.

In fairness, Rush Limbaugh doesn't need the platform of Trump to spout complete nonsense. He's set himself up in that market a long time ago.

InTheTrees · 13-10-2016 4:14pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I accept your link as fact. All I ask is for links to be provided from a genuine source. Their is a lot of propaganda in the media issued by the Clinton's to smear Trump.

Are you saying that you didn't know about trumps upcoming rape trial?

alastair · 13-10-2016 4:15pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I accept your link as fact. All I ask is for links to be provided from a genuine source. Their is a lot of propaganda in the media issued by the Clinton's to smear Trump.

There's precious little been levelled against Trump that isn't based on actual policy, statements, or his record. I can't think of a single claim from the Clinton camp that's not derived from actual Trump home-grown idiocy.

Ozymandius2011 · 13-10-2016 4:16pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Ex pet for that court case he has starting on December 16th for raping a 13 year old girl in 1994.

There is a culture of rape-lawsuits against US celebrities which are usually false. One of the reasons is that the US defamation laws are notoriously weak for public figures.

For example before the 2012 Congressional elections, a false story was thrown around about Senator Bob Menendez. Later on the women involved admitted being paid to make the allegations.

Overheal · 13-10-2016 4:19pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I accept your link as fact. All I ask is for links to be provided from a genuine source. Their is a lot of propaganda in the media issued by the Clinton's to smear Trump.

Fair enough. The announcement on the court date has done the rounds for a week on various outlets so I've gone to taking it as general knowledge

KingBrian2 · 13-10-2016 4:20pm

alastair wrote: »

There's precious little been levelled against Trump that isn't based on actual policy, statements, or his record. I can't think of a single claim from the Clinton camp that's not derived from actual Trump home-grown idiocy.

The media is so far connected to Clinton that every story is geared towards accepting as fact complete falsehoods. Hillary has lied her hat off getting elected and of course the media are backing her to the hill.

Overheal · 13-10-2016 4:21pm

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

For example before the 2012 Congressional elections, a false story was thrown around about Senator Bob Menendez. Later on the women involved admitted being paid to make the allegations.

Interesting. Maybe rape accusers should be audited?

Pro Hoc Vice · 13-10-2016 4:21pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I accept your link as fact. All I ask is for links to be provided from a genuine source. Their is a lot of propaganda in the media issued by the Clinton's to smear Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/

alastair · 13-10-2016 4:22pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The media is so far connected to Clinton that every story is geared towards accepting as fact complete falsehoods.

Any actual evidence to support this contention? Which Clinton story that was false has been presented as fact? Specifics please.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Hillary has lied her hat off getting elected and of course the media are backing her to the hill.

She's certainly got more support from journalists. Same is true for many other groups - the better educated for instance.

KingBrian2 · 13-10-2016 4:49pm

alastair wrote: »

Any actual evidence to support this contention? Which Clinton story that was false has been presented as fact? Specifics please.

She's certainly got more support from journalists. Same is true for many other groups - the better educated for instance.

Hillary Clinton has claimed that Trump has been inciting violence at his stadiums. We know this not to be true because the Sanders supporters and the Black Life Matters also conducted non police action in America. The claim been made is that the violence is coordinated and sponsored by Trump. No pattern has been established and Clinton's attempts to smear him is just that. In the minds of most Americans Trump will be synonymous with violence whereas the other violent protestors who were anti Republicans get off the hook. No foul play on the part of the Clinton's. The fact is Clinton is using the violence to attack Trump and accuse him of terrifying the people. The police deal with lawlessness not the Clinton's who feel free to pronounce judgement on their rival politician.

alastair · 13-10-2016 4:53pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Hillary Clinton has claimed that Trump has been inciting violence at his stadiums.

Well he was.
http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#ahsp7cJ4IiqP

KingBrian2 wrote: »

We know this not to be true because the Sanders supporters and the Black Life Matters also conducted non police action in America.

Scuse me? Can you parse this out?

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The claim been made is that the violence is coordinated and sponsored by Trump.

Really? When and where did Hillary make this claim?

KingBrian2 wrote: »

No pattern has been established and Clinton's attempts to smear him is just that. In the minds of most Americans Trump will be synonymous with violence whereas the other violent protestors who were anti Republicans get off the hook. No foul play on the part of the Clinton's. The fact is Clinton is using the violence to attack Trump and accuse him of terrifying the people. The police deal with lawlessness not the Clinton's who feel free to pronounce judgement on their rival politician.

Those Americans who associated Trump with violence will have done so because of his statements, not anything Clinton claimed.

Overheal · 13-10-2016 4:55pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Hillary Clinton has claimed that Trump has been inciting violence at his stadiums. We know this not to be true because the Sanders supporters and the Black Life Matters also conducted non police action in America. The claim been made is that the violence is coordinated and sponsored by Trump. No pattern has been established and Clinton's attempts to smear him is just that. In the minds of most Americans Trump will be synonymous with violence whereas the other violent protestors who were anti Republicans get off the hook. No foul play on the part of the Clinton's. The fact is Clinton is using the violence to attack Trump and accuse him of terrifying the people. The police deal with lawlessness not the Clinton's who feel free to pronounce judgement on their rival politician.

I think you're establishing a strawman argument here,

The facts: Trump has incited violence at his rallies, by expressing desire to "knock the crap" out of people, "punch them in the face" "I'll pay the legal fees" - I could go on, in startling detail.

The strawman: Trump is coordinating an organized group of violent members, either a gang or otherwise, or that he is contracting people to commit violent acts.

Igotadose · 13-10-2016 4:56pm

alastair wrote: »

Any actual evidence to support this contention? Which Clinton story that was false has been presented as fact? Specifics please.

She's certainly got more support from journalists. Same is true for many other groups - the better educated for instance.

How do you define 'presented?' You can argue that impropriety as part of the Whitewater events on behalf of the Clintons, was presented as fact yet disproved in a court of law. You can argue Trump saying HRC went after the women who Bill supposedly abused (supposedly - several recanted, several testified to the contrary, now that Trump's paying their stories are change yet again) is being presented as fact, yet false.

This is just one of many absolutely true things about the horrible Clintons shown to be, at best, false, and widely disseminated by the likes of the journalists at Fox as the truth.

I could go on... Travelgate...Filegate...Benghazi... "Presented as fact" yet false.

I think this article from Vox: http://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules really summarizes the media treatment she gets.

And lets not even start the false equivalence of how journalists treat them. Trump got away with phoning in to the Sunday news shows all election season - a massive disservice allowing that. He bans various notable news organizations from his entourage and events. He argues for reducing the scope of the first amendment to suit his needs, and you say Hillary gets better treatment from journalists? Journalists have been overly kind to Trump this whole cycle.

The biased Media vs Trump!

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