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The biased Media vs Trump!

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    #1172
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users Posts: 7,587 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    That's closer than Obama's lead over Romney in Florida last year. And needless to say it's about 119,000 more than GWB's lead over Gore in 2000.

    It wasn't a tight race. A lead of 120,000 in Florida when it was expected to go Hillary's way is not a close thing, it is a major victory. He won it easily
    I keep posting this because it seems to be ignored in the rush to judgment about the so-called inaccuracy of the polls.

    This is the polling data for Florida averaged by RCP. The accuracy is off the charts really, but saying it was an easy victory for Trump there is just wrong. 120k votes sounds like a lot, but it's a tiny percentage of the eligible voters.

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    #1173
    [Deleted User]
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    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    120k votes sounds like a lot, but it's a tiny percentage of the eligible voters.
    So?

    The Children's Referendum passed easily, but 67% of the electorate didn't bother to vote. That is utterly irrelevant to whether it passed easily.

    As I said, I am saying 'easily' in light of previous elections. Pollsters tipped Florida for Obama in 2012, and he did indeed win Florida, but even Obama didn't win it as comfortably as Trump did.


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    #1174
    8-10
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    recedite wrote: »
    Can we now declare Trump the winner in The biased Media vs Trump competition?

    But please note there are no losers here. The meeja are all saying that it was the polls that were wrong, not the meeja. And people must have lied when they were being polled. The meeja were "misled" into all that biased reporting :pac:

    What is meeja?


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    #1175
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users Posts: 7,587 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    So?

    The Children's Referendum passed easily, but 67% of the electorate didn't bother to vote. That is utterly irrelevant to whether it passed easily.

    As I said, I am saying 'easily' in light of previous elections. Pollsters tipped Florida for Obama in 2012, and he did indeed win Florida, but even Obama didn't win it as comfortably as Trump did.
    You're taking Florida as if it were the substance of the discussion. It wasn't. The poster said easily in the context of the election as a whole and my point was that he didn't win the popular vote, so 'easily' is the wrong word imo.

    Relatively easily in the case of Florida would be much closer to the truth. The states that swung, were less than or equal to 1% of the voter turnout apart from North Carolina. That's a pretty small margin.


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    #1176
    recedite
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    8-10 wrote: »
    What is meeja?
    Stupid phonetic version of "media".


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    #1177
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Seems some in the media are starting to come to terms with their outright bias.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/


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    #1178
    vetinari
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Yet another commentator who doesn't even look at the actual voting data.
    Yes Trump had very high numbers of white working class men and women.
    He also did very well with college educated white men and women. He got 50% of the men and 43% of the women.
    He won a majority of the people who earn over 50k a year.
    He simply couldn't have won this election without such high votes from the white wealthy and college educated electorate.

    The media was if anything way too soft on Trump in this election.
    He got months of free soft press from CNN and Fox News as it helped ratings.
    He got away with not releasing his tax returns. That is unprecedented.


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    #1179
    KingBrian2
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    vetinari wrote: »
    Yet another commentator who doesn't even look at the actual voting data.
    Yes Trump had very high numbers of white working class men and women.
    He also did very well with college educated white men and women. He got 50% of the men and 43% of the women.
    He won a majority of the people who earn over 50k a year.
    He simply couldn't have won this election without such high votes from the white wealthy and college educated electorate.

    The media was if anything way too soft on Trump in this election.
    He got months of free soft press from CNN and Fox News as it helped ratings.
    He got away with not releasing his tax returns. That is unprecedented.

    The media were soft on Clinton she got away with murder. The electorate had to be the judge of her actions and they rightly assessed that she made appalling decisions. Her crowd were moving America more towards the interventionist route and expanding free trade. Her positions were all over the place while Trump had a simple and effective message Washington needs to end the abuse and neglect.


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    #1180
    Overheal
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    Amerika wrote: »
    Seems some in the media are starting to come to terms with their outright bias.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
    Oh here it goes.

    Now the right wing will claim the media is not biased anymore. The left wing will claim it is.

    2005 called and wants its narrative back.


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    #1181
    vetinari
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭vetinari


    KingBrian2, the media spent more time covering Clinton's emails than any other issue in the election by far.
    Trump simply wouldn't be president without the media's help.
    In the primaries, he got about 90% of the media coverage.


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    #1182
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Overheal wrote: »
    Oh here it goes.

    Now the right wing will claim the media is not biased anymore. The left wing will claim it is.

    2005 called and wants its narrative back.

    The media remains biased. Just seems now a few of them are finally starting to admit it.


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    #1183
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    vetinari wrote: »
    KingBrian2, the media spent more time covering Clinton's emails than any other issue in the election by far.
    Trump simply wouldn't be president without the media's help.
    In the primaries, he got about 90% of the media coverage.

    Yes the media spent a good amount of coverage defending Clinton over her server and email problems. And yes, the media spent a good amount of time demonizing Trump in their coverage of him. Bias is more a result of quality rather than quantity.


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    #1184
    Overheal
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    Amerika wrote: »
    Yes the media spent a good amount of coverage defending Clinton over her server and email problems. And yes, the media spent a good amount of time demonizing Trump in their coverage of him. Bias is more a result of quality rather than quantity.



    Sounds like a case of viewer bias.


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    #1185
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,519 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Post more constructively please.

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    H. H. Asquith



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    #1186
    KingBrian2
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    vetinari wrote: »
    KingBrian2, the media spent more time covering Clinton's emails than any other issue in the election by far.
    Trump simply wouldn't be president without the media's help.
    In the primaries, he got about 90% of the media coverage.

    The media spent more time lying to the public.


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    #1187
    TheOven
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    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    The media spent more time lying to the public.

    Like Fox did about Clinton?


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    #1188
    FA Hayek
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    Are people still disputing that the media were NOT in the tank for Clinton? For the media it was supposed to be a coronation for her. Glass celling in the Javits centre, fireworks on the hudson, Newsweek printing 125,000 copies of their 'Madam President'. It was all so scripted.... and fake.

    They don't even have the neck to really deny that bias anymore. Trump has destroyed the establishment GOP, the establishment DNC and most of all the established media. Everyone sees that the media are corporate shills who play the role of smoke of mirrors of giving the illusion of choice to the people. It was supposed to be Bush vs Clinton right?
    It should have been Trump vs Bernie as that is what the people wanted.

    The DNC was too rigged so it was Trump vs Clinton and guess who lost?

    The corporate political news analysis guys should all be fired because they got everything wrong consistently for the past 18 months. Yet, here they still are telling us all what the 'news' is.

    The repercussions in many American newsrooms will be long lasting. They can either change and give people a fair go, or they will end up on the scrapheap of history due to falling readership or viewership. A country needs a strong independent media no doubt but not one that is so clearly biased.


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    #1189
    marienbad
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    FA Hayek wrote: »
    The corporate political news analysis guys should all be fired because they got everything wrong consistently for the past 18 months. Yet, here they still are telling us all what the 'news' is.

    The repercussions in many American newsrooms will be long lasting. They can either change and give people a fair go, or they will end up on the scrapheap of history due to falling readership or viewership. A country needs a strong independent media no doubt but not one that is so clearly biased.

    Is this a call to bring back the fair and balanced requirements that were mandatory in the old days ?


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    #1190
    K-9
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    Fox and Breitbart wouldn't be happy with that! Less money to be made.

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    #1191
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Joe Scarborough of MSNBC calls out the New York Times and his liberal friends for their bias towards Hillary Clinton.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY3nRgEZTm8


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    #1192
    Manic Moran
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    CBS News ran a similar sort of thing today.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
    "[font=Georgia, serif]Journalists love mocking Trump supporters. We insult their appearances. We dismiss them as racists and sexists. We emote on Twitter about how this or that comment or policy makes us feel one way or the other, and yet we reject their feelings as invalid.[/font]
    [font=Georgia, serif]It s a profound failure of empathy in the service of endless posturing. There s been some sympathy from the press, sure: the dispatches from heroin country that read like reports from colonial administrators checking in on the natives. But much of that starts from the assumption that Trump voters are backward, and that it s our duty to catalogue and ultimately reverse that backwardness. "[/font]


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    #1193
    Christy42
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    CBS News ran a similar sort of thing today.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
    "[font=Georgia, serif]Journalists love mocking Trump supporters. We insult their appearances. We dismiss them as racists and sexists. We emote on Twitter about how this or that comment or policy makes us feel one way or the other, and yet we reject their feelings as invalid.[/font]
    [font=Georgia, serif]It s a profound failure of empathy in the service of endless posturing. There s been some sympathy from the press, sure: the dispatches from heroin country that read like reports from colonial administrators checking in on the natives. But much of that starts from the assumption that Trump voters are backward, and that it s our duty to catalogue and ultimately reverse that backwardness. "[/font]

    Thankfully Trump is now in power and we can begin a new age of being politically correct.

    Incidentally Trump nows blames the protests on the media and calls them paid protesters. What is he complaining about? If they are paid then it means he has already brought jobs back to the US!

    Seriously I oppose entirely the violent parts but that was a complete "but MOM they're ruining my big Day!" response from Trump. How hard would it have been to respond with something along the lines of I know this election was tough but give me a chance and I will show that I will be a president for all Americans. Much more presidential and shows he is willing to deal with those who oppose him.

    Plus we have several threads about how the liberal media shouldn't have just insulted (probably correct as the dems didn't help them enough- being better than Republicans is too low a bar in terms of helping the poor) disaffected voters


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    #1194
    NI24
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    FA Hayek wrote: »
    They don't even have the neck to really deny that bias anymore. Trump has destroyed the establishment GOP, the establishment DNC and most of all the established media.
    On what planet has he destroyed the establishment GOP? The establishment GOP is mostly rich white men, and guess what Trump is? No really, just guess. A rich white man with mob connections no less.


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    #1195
    alastair
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    FA Hayek wrote: »
    It should have been Trump vs Bernie as that is what the people wanted.

    A notion at odds with the fact that Bernie lost the nomination vote to Hillary.


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    #1196
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    alastair wrote: »
    A notion at odds with the fact that Bernie lost the nomination vote to Hillary.

    Yes, that contest was entirely fair now wasn't it...


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    #1197
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    NI24 wrote: »
    On what planet has he destroyed the establishment GOP? The establishment GOP is mostly rich white men, and guess what Trump is? No really, just guess. A rich white man with mob connections no less.

    You are seeing this through the lens of identity politics alone, which of course misses the entire point I was making.

    The GOP are or at least were a party of conservative values, free trade, fiscal responsibility and interventionist military.

    Trump is no social conservative, wants to scrap NAFTA (TPP and TTIP is already more or less dead), wants to spend billions on new infrastructure via deficit spending and wants to hark back to an isolationist foreign policy not seen since the 1930's.

    The GOP is a changed party now and expect them to follow suit and change accordingly.

    You can think of this simply. He destroyed a Bush in the primary and beat a Clinton in the main event. That is the guts of 30 years of legacies that has been wiped away clean.


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    #1198
    yo soy carlos
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    Of course it wasn't fair.Rte is by its nature a kebal full of lefties and Newstalk and TV3 are owned by people who make billions from globalisation.And as for Facebook and Twitter well the same sex referendum showed us they like Enda will interfere in other countries democracies.


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    #1199
    TheOven
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    NI24 wrote: »
    On what planet has he destroyed the establishment GOP? The establishment GOP is mostly rich white men, and guess what Trump is? No really, just guess. A rich white man with mob connections no less.

    And all the positions being handed to establishment GOP. They weren't destroyed, they were promoted.


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    #1200
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    People will believe what they want to believe, media bias or not. Voters choose one of two truly awful candidates. Now they will have to go with their choice. It's such a pity that most of the media coverage was about negative stuff and not one real policy or proposal that had merit.


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    #1201
    Billy86
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    I always thought journos were meant to present both sides of the debate and try to be neutral.

    You thought wrong.

    Were they supposed to point how how Anders Breivik 'actually isn't such a bad guy and makes lots of excellent points' too when that happened?

    No before anyone jumps to that conclusion, I am not comparing Trump to Breivik - I am saying that if journalists are mean to present both sides of the debate and be neutral at all times, then that is exactly how they should have treated Breivik when he was dominating the news cycle.


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