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The biased Media vs Trump!

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    #1382
    K-9
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    recedite wrote: »
    Come on, why do you think he arranged his photo-op for the Parthenon?
    Its symbolism. He is trying to link the Democrats with democracy, as if the incoming administration are anti-democratic.
    While there, he disparages the so called populist parties in Europe as if there was a difference between "populist" and "democratic".

    Next up he will follow the migrant trail to Germany, where he will meet the vehemently anti-Trump Merkel, who is soon to be consigned to the same dustbin of history that Hillary was recently cast into by a democratic (populist) electorate.

    Here's a better link to the assault video.

    No harm to you but you're over analysing this one!

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    #1383
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Maybe, but watch his route and listen to his rhetoric.
    I have my eye on him.


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    #1384
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,926 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    marienbad wrote: »
    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Fintan O Toole on the today fm trying to reason why people voted for Trump

    Hilarious how the media cannot accept the result and need to keep preaching about why this absurdity happened.

    The smug arrogance of the Irish media never fails to deliver.

    surely after any election everyone tries to makes sense of the result - why should O'Toole be any different ?

    Something similar happened in 2012 when Romney lost and GOP strategists were dumbfounded . that just the way it is , you lose you regroup and try to come back stronger .
    But he's not trying to analyse the result he's looking for excuses for why it happened.
    He gave 5 reasons/excuses why he won each one was another dig at him. Not one reason was, well maybe he was just a better candidate with better policies.

    Basically he was saying well dumb Americans will vote for a dumb president.

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    #1385
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    He gave 5 reasons/excuses why he won each one was another dig at him. Not one reason was, well maybe he was just a better candidate with better policies.

    Quite the head-scratcher how he could have missed that one.


    Oh wait...


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    #1386
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    If it doesn't matter then why mention it?

    It is important to point out the background of the people entering the EU. These people are not Australians coming for a rugby match.


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    #1387
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    It is important to point out the background of the people entering the EU. These people are not Australians coming for a rugby match.

    No. They're refugees. And their religion is an irrelevance with regard to their asylum claim.


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    #1388
    KingBrian2
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    alastair wrote: »
    No. They're refugees. And their religion is an irrelevance with regard to their asylum claim.

    Not all are refugees some are Jihadists who have infiltrated the asylum centres. They are most certainly not here to be rescued.


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    #1389
    recedite
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    alastair wrote: »
    religion is an irrelevance
    Islam is not just a religion. It contains codified laws on everything from divorce, to how to treat gays, to how much to tax the unbelievers. Its an all-in-one ideology combined with a religion.


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    #1390
    Suryavarman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    So Trump won because people are stupid i.e. his supporters are stupid, the opposite being of course the Hilary Clinton supporters are virtuous and good.

    Thanks for proving the point that indeed Trump won because of opinions like that.

    John Oliver and his ilk are indeed so disconnected from the average American, they have become a parody of themselves in many ways. The more and more I look at this media elite with their fawning millennials on social media and the likes of the Huff Post, Vox, Gawker and Buzzfeed the more I am reminded of this guy.

    Trump supporters are stupid though. His supporters are the definition of uninformed. When asked whether the fight against ISIS was going well, does international trade destroy American jobs, whether the US economy is in good condition or whether Trump was honest or trustworthy, the vast majority of people giving the wrong answer were Trump supporters.


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    #1391
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    Mr Joe wrote: »
    More racism from Liberals, exactly the reason Trump won and your Social Justice Warrior idealogy is dying off....keep it up...:D

    Yes, I wonder would it be allowed to called travellers k*****s in the same vein here?


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    #1392
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    alastair wrote: »
    Anyone who bought his platform promises is pretty stupid alright. Which doesn't imply anything with regard to Hillary voters.
    alastair wrote: »
    Eh, I've proven no such thing (and nor have you).

    LOL. Keep it up and keep losing elections.


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    #1393
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    marienbad wrote: »
    surely after any election everyone tries to makes sense of the result - why should O'Toole be any different ?

    Something similar happened in 2012 when Romney lost and GOP strategists were dumbfounded . that just the way it is , you lose you regroup and try to come back stronger .

    Compare and contrast.

    Did guests on RTE cry live on air?
    Did the Irish Time lead with headlines like the 'United Hates of America'
    Were there protests on the streets that lead to riots?
    Was there a hashtag like #notmypresident trending on twitter.
    Were the media in Ireland and the US going about dumbfounded for a few days after as they could not fathom the results as their girl got beaten by a reality TV star?


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    #1394
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Compare and contrast.

    Did guests on RTE cry live on air?
    Did the Irish Time lead with headlines like the 'United Hates of America'
    Were there protests on the streets that lead to riots?
    Was there a hashtag like #notmypresident trending on twitter.
    Were the media in Ireland and the US going about dumbfounded for a few days after as they could not fathom the results as their girl got beaten by a reality TV star?

    Are you forgetting the reaction when Obama was elected in 2008 ? It has always been thus .


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    #1395
    K-9
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    Mod:

    Calm it down, no more sweeping statements or it will be treated as winding others up, and stop giving the expected reaction!

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    #1396
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    marienbad wrote: »
    Are you forgetting the reaction when Obama was elected in 2008 ? It has always been thus .

    What reaction? The fawning media and his nobel peace prize for just being elected and being Obama?

    Were there protests?
    Did people cry live on Irish media?
    Were the Irish elite depressed?


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    #1397
    johnp001
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    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    But he's not trying to analyse the result he's looking for excuses for why it happened.
    He gave 5 reasons/excuses why he won each one was another dig at him. Not one reason was, well maybe he was just a better candidate with better policies.

    Basically he was saying well dumb Americans will vote for a dumb president.

    I don't think Fintan O'Toole said anything insightful or meaningful in this interview but to be fair to Matt Cooper he did read out the comments of at least 3 listeners who had contacted the show to say how biased O'Toole and the media in general were about Trump.
    If he couldn't find a journalist to have on the show with anything other than uncomprehending, horrified liberal outrage it was the least he could do to acknowledge that there was another school of thought about the matter. Don't think Pat Kenny or the RTE presenters would have been even as even-handed as that.


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    #1398
    alastair
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    recedite wrote: »
    Islam is not just a religion. It contains codified laws on everything from divorce, to how to treat gays, to how much to tax the unbelievers. Its an all-in-one ideology combined with a religion.

    It's just a religion, like all others. They all have their own laws, rules, and distinct moral instruction.


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    #1399
    alastair
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    FA Hayek wrote: »
    LOL. Keep it up and keep losing elections.

    I don't have a vote in the U.S., so not quite sure if I'm supposed to be responsible for Trump's win, like, eh, John Oliver?


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    #1400
    alastair
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    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Yes, I wonder would it be allowed to called travellers k*****s in the same vein here?

    Travellers are a distinct ethnic group. Neither Hicks nor Rednecks are. But feel free to feign concern - you're taking to political correctness like a natural!


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    #1401
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Compare and contrast.

    Did guests on RTE cry live on air?
    Did the Irish Time lead with headlines like the 'United Hates of America'
    Were there protests on the streets that lead to riots?
    Was there a hashtag like #notmypresident trending on twitter.
    Were the media in Ireland and the US going about dumbfounded for a few days after as they could not fathom the results as their girl got beaten by a reality TV star?

    You hadn't considered the calibre of president elect didn't enter into this compare and contrast situation?

    That'll solve this mystery for you.


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    #1402
    Christy42
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    alastair wrote: »
    Travellers are a distinct ethnic group. Neither Hicks nor Rednecks are. But feel free to feign concern - you're taking to political correctness like a natural!

    There has been plenty of practise for Trump supporters who found a new love of pc (which they renamed respect) after the deplorables comment.

    Only applies if it is them being insulted of course.


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    #1403
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    alastair wrote: »
    Travellers are a distinct ethnic group. Neither Hicks nor Rednecks are. But feel free to feign concern - you're taking to political correctness like a natural!

    Em, no they are not, despite best efforts from the likes of Pavee point.


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    #1404
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    alastair wrote: »
    You hadn't considered the calibre of president elect didn't enter into this compare and contrast situation?

    That'll solve this mystery for you.

    Not for the first time you prove my point.

    You would think the media would be impartial, report the news and the facts. Instead we have people cry live on air over an election result. Shows how far removed they are. Most of them live in a little progressive bubble and are more interested in virtue singling rather then being the 4th estate.


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    #1405
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Not for the first time you prove my point.

    You're mistaken. I really don't.

    The media reflecting that a pile of steaming ****e is now on the world's menu, isn't an indication of lack of impartiality, it's a reflection of warranted incredulity.


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    #1406
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Em, no they are not, despite best efforts from the likes of Pavee point.

    Of course they are. It's taking the local politicians longer to acknowledge that fact than it did in the UK, but the day is getting ever closer.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-ethnicity-ireland-2801339-Jun2016/


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    #1407
    recedite
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    Suryavarman wrote: »
    Trump supporters are stupid though. His supporters are the definition of uninformed. When asked whether the fight against ISIS was going well, does international trade destroy American jobs, whether the US economy is in good condition or whether Trump was honest or trustworthy, the vast majority of people giving the wrong answer were Trump supporters.
    Ah now, you would hardy expect them to give the "right" answer to that question, would you.
    That would prove they were stupid.
    Wait.. they were stupid if they gave the wrong answer too. There seems to be no way out of it :pac:

    These media pollsters are devilishly clever in their questioning!


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    #1408
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Megan Kelly had to get security guards to protect her from trump supporters.
    Shocking stuff.
    She turned down offers of gifts from him and behaved like a journalist. Trump retaliated.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJY8ZUVeqh4


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    #1409
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    alastair wrote: »
    Of course they are. It's taking the local politicians longer to acknowledge that fact than it did in the UK, but the day is getting ever closer.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-ethnicity-ireland-2801339-Jun2016/

    So, to prove your point that travellers are an ethnic minority you link an option piece in the journal.ie that states in the very first line..
    TRAVELLERS’ RIGHTS GROUP have been calling for the Travelling community to be recognised as an ethnic minority in Ireland for many years

    Calling for something means that they are something in your book.

    Logic would dictate that in Ireland they are not recognised as an ethnic minority..... Talk about some Kafkaesque logic but I think you are on a wind up personally. A bit like The Donald, I for one do not take you literally.


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    #1410
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    alastair wrote: »
    You're mistaken. I really don't.

    The media reflecting that a pile of steaming ****e is now on the world's menu, isn't an indication of lack of impartiality, it's a reflection of warranted incredulity.

    That is just your opinion of course. It is clear as day, that even the most ardent progressives are taking stock that indeed what others have been saying for years about political correctness and the liberal media bubble are indeed things that exist. Brexit and the US presidential elections are proof positive that those 'in the know' are indeed not in the know.

    The Nile is not just a river in Egypt.


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    #1411
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    So, to prove your point that travellers are an ethnic minority you link an option piece in the journal.ie that states in the very first line..



    Calling for something means that they are something in your book.

    Logic would dictate that in Ireland they are not recognised as an ethnic minority..... Talk about some Kafkaesque logic but I think you are on a wind up personally. A bit like The Donald, I for one do not take you literally.

    Travellers are objectively an ethnic minority on account of meeting the criteria to be considered such. The UK recognise that reality, the EU recognises that reality, the UN recognises that reality, and a majority of Irish politicians recognise that reality, especially after the Oireachtas committee tasked with determining the merits of recognition recognised that reality; http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/media/committees/justice/Report-onTraveller-Ethnicity.pdf
    The Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality recommends the following:
    Step 1:
    That either the Taoiseach or the Minister for Justice and Equality make a statement to Dáil Éireann confirming that this State recognises the ethnicity of the travelling community.
    Step 2:
    That the Government then writes to the relevant international bodies, confirming that this State recognises the ethnicity of the travelling community.
    Step 3:
    That the Government build on these initiatives and commence a time- limited dialogue with the Traveller representative groups about the new legislation or amendments to existing legislation now required.

    If you're determined to stick your head in the sand on this, then the best of luck to you, but it's not going to stop the inevitable.


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