The biased Media vs Trump!

CMOTDibbler

KingBrian2 wrote: »

No! She received it from the Foundation and that organization has donations from around the world.

So you're rowing back already and all I had to say was it was untrue.

Next question. Where is the source for this information?

JJayoo

I think Trump is great, a manifestation of Fox news come to life, and he will do serious damage to the Republican party

BorneTobyWilde

The influence of the good people around Trump is slowly beginning to show, he was falling apart 6 weeks ago, he has come back so strong since then thanks to the republican parties influence.
President is a figure head, not a dictator . Obama is advised, his every decision has not been his own. When it comes to ISIS Trump be rely on experts in the field.
Trump as a figure head is great. He will make America strong, but will not have power to destroy it. He will be heavily influenced in all fields from economy to foreign affairs.

Akrasia

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Campaign donations have been a heated topic of discussion in this election. This harks back to the Citizen United ruling which allowed an unprecedented indulgence of political spending by all parties. Hillary herself has received substantial sums from outside backers in this campaign.

We know that Clinton is a corporate shill. That is common knowledge. Trump claims to be independently wealthy and therefore not likely to be corrupted.

Trump not being wealthy would torpedo his entire image of himself. Just one, of many other, demonstrable lies in the Trump campaign.


His entire campaign is based on a lie. If you don't like what I have said, please provide evidence that he is rich, clever or successful.

oscarBravo

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

[Trump] will make America strong...

...how?

Pro Hoc Vice

oscarBravo wrote: »

...how?

Ill ask another question in what way is America weak or weaker than before?

Overheal

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Campaign donations have been a heated topic of discussion in this election. This harks back to the Citizen United ruling which allowed an unprecedented indulgence of political spending by all parties. Hillary herself has received substantial sums from outside backers in this campaign.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The influence of the good people around Trump is slowly beginning to show, he was falling apart 6 weeks ago, he has come back so strong since then thanks to the republican parties influence.
President is a figure head, not a dictator . Obama is advised, his every decision has not been his own. When it comes to ISIS Trump be rely on experts in the field.
Trump as a figure head is great. He will make America strong, but will not have power to destroy it. He will be heavily influenced in all fields from economy to foreign affairs.

So speaking of Citizens United.. Guess who Trump has brought on to the campaign now - to advise his every decision - in this weeks episode of The Apprentice?


http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/09/01/media-meet-donald-trump-s-new-deputy-campaign-manager-citizens-united-president-david-bossie/212826

Amerika

Media Moderators for the four presidential debates have been announced.



All five major news outlets are represented... ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and FoxNews. Four pro democrat media outlets and one pro republican. I guess most would consider that a fair fight.

Personally I think CNN (which has rightfully earned the moniker 'Clinton News Network' this election cycle) should have been banned from participating in these debates after Candy Crowley's shameless shilling for Barack Obama in one of the debates last election, and of which ultimately caused her ouster from CNN. I think NPR should have been given the spot over CNN to send the message that outright media bias would not be allowed. But I guess media bias is sadly a given and considered acceptable.

Overheal

The free market allows for the creation of conservative media outlets

But I thought Fox was Fair and Balanced

I guess the reason there aren't more "non liberal" sources of "news" is there aren't enough viewers who want to watch that bull****.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

I guess the reason there aren't more "non liberal" sources of "news" is there aren't enough viewers who want to watch that bull****.

Well then, you’d be wrong.

http://deadline.com/2016/06/fox-news-having-highest-rated-year-ever-tops-cable-primetime-so-far-1201780736/

Overheal

Well then it makes one surely wonder why nobody is opening a competing media outlet :rolleyes:

Probably because a good chunk of their viewers are watchdog groups, comedians, and MediaITE who just watch to pick up material for jokes or articles.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Well then it makes one surely wonder why nobody is opening a competing media outlet :rolleyes:

Yet! We don't know what Roger Ailes has up his sleeve. But there's one thing we know he has... A vendetta.

Probably because a good chunk of their viewers are watchdog groups, comedians, and MediaITE who just watch to pick up material for jokes or articles.

You forgot aliens... they're probably as representative of the 'good chunk' as the others you mention. And... Comedians... really? How many of them do you think are out there?

Amerika

HLN (CNN’s sister network) blurred out Steven Eckel’s t-shirt during the interview about him rescuing a 4-month old baby from the back of a hot locked car by breaking a window to remove the child.

What was so horribly offensive it had to be blurred out, you ask? The Trump 2016 logo. Oh, the humanity! :eek:

CMOTDibbler

Amerika wrote: »

Yet! We don't know what Roger Ailes has up his sleeve. But there's one thing we know he has... A vendetta.

I thought the one thing we knew about him was the fact that he's got a sexual harassment claim or three against him.

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

We know that Clinton is a corporate shill. That is common knowledge. Trump claims to be independently wealthy and therefore not likely to be corrupted.

Trump not being wealthy would torpedo his entire image of himself. Just one, of many other, demonstrable lies in the Trump campaign.


His entire campaign is based on a lie. If you don't like what I have said, please provide evidence that he is rich, clever or successful.

Voters are turning to Donald because the Democrats have betrayed them. The promises have not been kept, former loyalists of President Obama have already split the Democratic party in half between Sanders supporters & Clinton supporters. A situation not too dissimilar to the rise of Ukip in Britain which came from the working class areas traditional Labour voting districts. Trump's rise is in part due to the collapse of Democratic diehards.

Akrasia

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Voters are turning to Donald because the Democrats have betrayed them. The promises have not been kept, former loyalists of President Obama have already split the Democratic party in half between Sanders supporters & Clinton supporters. A situation not too dissimilar to the rise of Ukip in Britain which came from the working class areas traditional Labour voting districts. Trump's rise is in part due to the collapse of Democratic diehards.

Voting for Trump because the democrats didn't keep their promises is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Trump is guaranteed to not keep his election promises, not least because he promises mutually contradictory things and changes is position daily depending on who he's talking to

Overheal

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

I thought the one thing we knew about him was the fact that he's got a sexual harassment claim or three against him.

Yeah he's been burned pretty badly by the one party consent recording laws. He's on tape saying some career ending ****.

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

Voting for Trump because the democrats didn't keep their promises is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Trump is guaranteed to not keep his election promises, not least because he promises mutually contradictory things and changes is position daily depending on who he's talking to

Check out Colberts excellent Trump vs Trump debate video.
http://digg.com/video/colbert-trump-debate

Not when the Democrats pursued very Republican policies while in office. People keep attaching all the chaos in the country to one man Donald J Trump but it was the failure of Congress to act when a crisis was brewing. Very little has changed the Democrats & GOP are mirror image of themselves.

CMOTDibbler

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Not when the Democrats pursued very Republican policies while in office. People keep attaching all the chaos in the country to one man Donald J Trump but it was the failure of Congress to act when a crisis was brewing. Very little has changed the Democrats & GOP are mirror image of themselves.

I think you missed American Government 101. The Democrats only had control of the house in the first half of Obama's first term and lost control of the senate in this last half of his second term. Not surprising that there's a Republican tinge to the policies that have been implemented in his two terms of office.

Overheal

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Not when the Democrats pursued very Republican policies while in office.

Such as?

KingBrian2

Overheal wrote: »

Such as?

In order for President Obama to get his health care deal passed it involved an awful lot of as they call it "pork barrel spending." The Democrats are still not happy having not gained universal health care. This despite major opposition from Americans who don't want to pay for additional gvt subsidies. Poor services which is also true in other Nations in which gvt spending has led to a deterioration in service and not any vast improvements. If the gvt are going to get involved in health people will expect better standards or else they won't part with their cash.

Overheal

KingBrian2 wrote: »

In order for President Obama to get his health care deal passed it involved an awful lot of as they call it "pork barrel spending." The Democrats are still not happy having not gained universal health care. This despite major opposition from Americans who don't want to pay for additional gvt subsidies. Poor services which is also true in other Nations in which gvt spending has led to a deterioration in service and not any vast improvements. If the gvt are going to get involved in health people will expect better standards or else they won't part with their cash.

So he worked with Republican members of congress to get compromises into the bill so it would pass?

How is this different from politics as usual?

Back on the media front, Trump supporters were given yet more airtime today, and they used it to threaten America... with tacos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/us/politics/taco-trucks-on-every-corner-trump-supporters-anti-immigration-warning.html?_r=0

Akrasia

I don't get it. Obama had to compromise to get things through congress and the senate, that compromise involved supporting some pet projects of influential republican representatives, therefore, Obama is evil.

Obama would have much preferred to have his policies passed without having to grease the palms of the republican majority in congress and the senate, but that's the position he was in.

Republicans deliberately screwed up any attempt Obama made to reform, the only hope he had to get anything done, was to give huge concessions to republicans, and now that there's an election, any idiot who votes republican because Obama pandered to the republicans, is an utter moron and deserves the demagogue that the republicans created

If people are disillusioned with the democrats, there are 3 options available. Vote Independent, Don't vote, or Vote Trump. The third option is by far the worst.

Trump had one meeting with a head of state, he pretended to be open to discussion while in the meeting, and a half hour after it ended, he gave a public speech basically saying, screw that guy, he's gonna do what I want him to do. Imagine 4 years of that??

Pro Hoc Vice

Akrasia wrote: »

I don't get it. Obama had to compromise to get things through congress and the senate, that compromise involved supporting some pet projects of influential republican representatives, therefore, Obama is evil.

Obama would have much preferred to have his policies passed without having to grease the palms of the republican majority in congress and the senate, but that's the position he was in.

Republicans deliberately screwed up any attempt Obama made to reform, the only hope he had to get anything done, was to give huge concessions to republicans, and now that there's an election, any idiot who votes republican because Obama pandered to the republicans, is an utter moron and deserves the demagogue that the republicans created

If people are disillusioned with the democrats, there are 3 options available. Vote Independent, Don't vote, or Vote Trump. The third option is by far the worst.

Trump had one meeting with a head of state, he pretended to be open to discussion while in the meeting, and a half hour after it ended, he gave a public speech basically saying, screw that guy, he's gonna do what I want him to do. Imagine 4 years of that??

It's even worse than that he changed the speech because he was annoyed with a tweet, the guy is a teenager. https://sso.foxnews.com/static/server.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2016%2F09%2F02%2Ftrump-changed-immigration-policy-speech-after-mexican-presidents-tweet.html

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

I don't get it. Obama had to compromise to get things through congress and the senate, that compromise involved supporting some pet projects of influential republican representatives, therefore, Obama is evil.

Obama would have much preferred to have his policies passed without having to grease the palms of the republican majority in congress and the senate, but that's the position he was in.

Republicans deliberately screwed up any attempt Obama made to reform, the only hope he had to get anything done, was to give huge concessions to republicans, and now that there's an election, any idiot who votes republican because Obama pandered to the republicans, is an utter moron and deserves the demagogue that the republicans created

If people are disillusioned with the democrats, there are 3 options available. Vote Independent, Don't vote, or Vote Trump. The third option is by far the worst.

Trump had one meeting with a head of state, he pretended to be open to discussion while in the meeting, and a half hour after it ended, he gave a public speech basically saying, screw that guy, he's gonna do what I want him to do. Imagine 4 years of that??

Many Republicans never agreed with any of Obama's laws because they cause wasteful spending. Obama had to work with the conservative democrats to get his Obamacare through Congress and these guys, their voters have now abandoned them.

The issue of wasting taxpayers money came up. Democrats were willing to support their Republican colleagues on this. A breakaway GOP faction was opposed to all the shenanigans that went into trying to get all this legislation passed. The cost was too high and America would suffer as a consequence. Congress botched it.

CMOTDibbler

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Many Republicans never agreed with any of Obama's laws because they cause wasteful spending. Obama had to work with the conservative democrats to get his Obamacare through Congress and these guys, their voters have now abandoned them.

The issue of wasting taxpayers money came up. Democrats were willing to support their Republican colleagues on this. A breakaway GOP faction was opposed to all the shenanigans that went into trying to get all this legislation passed. The cost was too high and America would suffer as a consequence. Congress botched it.

The US is suffering because of the high cost of healthcare. Procedures that would cost $10,000 under Obamacare are being charged at $110,000 down the road in another hospital not under Obamacare. The American public are paying these ridiculous prices whether directly or indirectly through their insurers and insurers are either upping premiums to cover it or are delaying payment. The system badly needed an overhaul and even a half implemented Obamacare system is better than the alternative.

THe Republicans have been trying to cripple the system since it began. It doesn't suit their agenda to have privately run hospitals which are creaming in the profits to have to be competitive.

CMOTDibbler

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

It's even worse than that he changed the speech because he was annoyed with a tweet, the guy is a teenager. https://sso.foxnews.com/static/server.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2016%2F09%2F02%2Ftrump-changed-immigration-policy-speech-after-mexican-presidents-tweet.html

It's the same reaction as when two ex-Presidents of Mexico said they wouldn't pay for the 'stupid wall'. Trump's reaction was: "The wall just got ten feet higher"

You could play him like a fiddle.

Overheal

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The US is suffering because of the high cost of healthcare. Procedures that would cost $10,000 under Obamacare are being charged at $110,000 down the road in another hospital not under Obamacare. The American public are paying these ridiculous prices whether directly or indirectly through their insurers and insurers are either upping premiums to cover it or are delaying payment. The system badly needed an overhaul and even a half implemented Obamacare system is better than the alternative.

THe Republicans have been trying to cripple the system since it began. It doesn't suit their agenda to have privately run hospitals which are creaming in the profits to have to be competitive.

Oh my yes. Have you been following the EpiPen news? Quite the debacle. A device made with taxpayer research money and lobbied into most schools in America is being sold for $600 a pair. They contain about $1 of Epinephrine each.

InTheTrees

Overheal wrote: »

Oh my yes. Have you been following the EpiPen news? Quite the debacle. A device made with taxpayer research money and lobbied into most schools in America is being sold for $600 a pair. They contain about $1 of Epinephrine each.

Additionally last year it cost $60. They just jacked up the price because they can.

holly44

Overheal wrote: »

Oh my yes. Have you been following the EpiPen news? Quite the debacle. A device made with taxpayer research money and lobbied into most schools in America is being sold for $600 a pair. They contain about $1 of Epinephrine each.

All allowed by a Democrat President.
As Trump said last week to black Americans , the Democratic party has let you down big time, what have you to loose by voting for Trump.
Just look at the murder rate coming out of Democrat controlled Chicago too see that Trump has a point, it can't get much worse.