SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - *Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393*

Bunny Colvin

ArielAtom wrote: »

Not a hyperbole response. Mayo are lying in the long grass having underperformed all year, waiting to peak for the final. I think Mayo are going in as massive underdogs and have nothing to lose but a lot to win. However, JG will not let the panel buy into any of it.

That wasn't a hyperbole? Come on

Mayo are big underdogs. It's nothing to do with Jim Gavin buying anything either. The only way for Mayo to win it is to perform consistently for seventy minutes, keep the scoreboard ticking over, being ruthless in pressuring, tackling and winning 50/50 ball etc. If Mayo can do then it will be very close either way, the question is do Mayo have that kind of performance in them? The recent form book says 'no' but the caliber of player needed to put in a performance like that is certainly there. It's about a 5/2 shot imo - the bookies have it spot on.

PressRun

All this talk of pressure. There's no such thing as "no pressure", but the pressure won't be coming from outside the camp. I'm sure no one expects more from both groups of players than the players themselves. These are competitive people and high level athletes. The main pressure will come from within the two camps and I'm sure neither are radically different in that regard. They'll both be expecting big performances from themselves and there's probably very little criticism a journalist could heap on them that they wouldn't heap on themselves if they don't perform as they'd like.

yop

ArielAtom wrote: »

This is Mayo's to lose, to much pressure on the Dubs.

Ill leave this here from last time

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96872292&postcount=70

Its Mayos to lose on Sat, all the momentum is with them, I'd say by 6+

:D:D


Dublin unbackable, going for 2 in a row, Mayo form poor in calendar year, this points to one thing and one thing now.

I remember 2012.
http://www.livesport.ie/category/gaa-football/dublin-odds-on-for-all-ireland-semi-final-success-against-mayo-201208300003/

I've been watching and going to various sports for close on 40 years now, of course there are favorites and underdogs but sometimes, and its rare, there are shocks.

It could happen, no one is expecting it, but Mayo won't lie down, if they did they wouldn't come back year on year.

Call me Al

I agree yop. ...
Some people on here have very short memories!

The flying mouse

Maybe some people here have short memories or are just colourblinded in there opinion's.

This Dublin team over the last two seasons have really shown there form, Everything has been tried and thrown at them from every angle, Kerry,Cork,Tyrone,Mayo,Donegal they have beaten them all recently and done so quite convincingly in the overall picture of the games. There is always hype on the Dublin team in finals, always, There the team we love to hate and hate to love ,Everyone concedes that this Dublin team are something different, something special, They have proven it.

Will they win on the 18th, most likely so, that's not taking it away from Mayo ,its just the way it looking on the forms of both teams recently. well that's the way a mouse sees it...



Yes Dublin have certainly raised the bar in the game and imo ina good way.

castletownman

One thing I would say about Mayo this year, is that Stephen Rochford appears to be tactically fluid, and not afraid to change the set-up game on game. The started the championship with Kevin McLoughlin as a sweeper, and though that was kind of cutting of his nose to spite his face, Mayo bundled along the championship without much hype or expectation.

In fact, they entered the game against Tyrone with most onlookers expecting the Red Hand to advance to the semis (and the final), but shook it up tactically by bringing in Barry Moran as some sort of hybrid sweeper/third midfielder.

You can bet your bottom dollar, that he has some contingency plan that we haven't seen yet in place to use against the Dubs. Whether that is going man-on-man on the danger men up front, and playing AOS and Moran as a twin-threat at full forward, or even blocking up the middle third with them two, Parsons and Vaughan, remains to be seen. But surely, the players decision to dispense with the previous regime, is to be vindicated at the biggest stage of all.

Bearing in mind, that they haven't hit the highs they usually hit at least once or twice a game in the championship since 2010, and that there is more in the likes of Higgins, Keegan, AOS and COC, then I think Mayo will be well capable of ending the curse.

Moo Moo Land

I think for Mayo to win, they need a lot of luck and a 2 or 3 soft/handy goals. However I am fairly certain Mayo will ship goals too.

As with all GAA refs, the ref will keep it 'competitive' for as long as possible. A lot of luck and perhaps a late goal could bring Mayo an unlikey AI title. It would be great to see really.

PressRun

Why would goals need to be "soft/handy"?

yop

I was a bit bored there so I had a look at all the scores for both teams.
This is the breakdown.

For some reason Mayo liked to either concede 12 or 14 points!

Goals.
Mayo have been getting better return than Dublin on the goals side, hitting 1.6 goals per game but also only conceding 0.4 goals.
Dublin have hit 1 goal average and conceded 1 goal average per game.

Points
Dublin lead that well, close on 20 points per game average, while conceding 11.
Mayo then average 6 points less and concede 1 point more.


If you want to take them averages on scoring alone then you'd see Mayo hit around 19 points, Dublin would win out by 4 points.

It probably doesn't mean a lot on the day, but just some interesting numbers.



Mayo 2:16 London - 0.9
Mayo 0.12 - Galway 1.12
Mayo 2-14 Fermanagh 1-12
Mayo 2-17 Kildare 0-14
Mayo 3-15 Westmeath 1-14
Mayo 0-13 Tyrone 0-12
Mayo 2-13 Tipp 0-14


FOR:

Goals: 11 - Points 100 AVERAGE: Goals: 1.6 - Points 14.3
AGAINST:

Goals: 3 - Points 85 AVERAGE: Goals: .4 - Points 12.1

Dublin 2-21 Laois 2-10
Dublin 0-21 Meath 0-11
Dublin 2-19 Westmeath 0-10
Dublin 1--15 Donegal 1-10
Dublin 0-22 Kerry 2-14


FOR:

Goals: 5 - Points 98 AVERAGE: Goals: 1 - Points 19.6
AGAINST:

Goals: 5 - Points 55 AVERAGE: Goals: 1 - Points 11

Always_Running

In fact,they entered the game against Tyrone with most onlookers expecting the Red Hand to advance to the semis (and the final), but shook it up tactically by bringing in Barry Moran as some sort of hybrid sweeper/third midfielder.

At the time that said more about Mayos form than anything about Tyrone. Tyrone played their league football this year in division 2. In the Ulster championship they needed a replay to beat Cavan and narrowly won the Ulster against a weary Donegal team. Even so in the quarter final they probably would have won it if they kept 15 men on the field and weren't so wasteful in front of goal with just 12 scores in 33 attempts. Dublin in comparison last Sunday scored 7 times from their last 8 attempts v Kerry.

One the other note Barry Moran played in that role under H&C last year.

Stoner

castletownman wrote: »

they entered the game against Tyrone with most onlookers expecting the Red Hand to advance to the semis

I expected Mayo to win, I'd have them to beat everyone this year except Dublin
and that included Galway, so there you go don't listen to me.

Tyrone, with an even bigger issue with lack of forwards than Mayo gave Kerry a bit of a scare last year. Then someone had a thought, because Mayo and Dublin haven't beaten Dublin in a while that a new knight was needed, so Tyrone were built up. The Tyrone lads saw through it, but so many jumped on this, tried to pretend it was their idea, squinted their eyes and said "you know what, I think Tyrone are the ones to beat Dublin this year" the more I heard it the less I believed it, it's one of those things that guys who couldn't name the Tyrone or Dublin players were saying, I asked some of them why, they'd say "I don't know, I just have a feeling, you know ?" It was really more of a hope than a feeling IMO.

Mayo are a top 4 team and are back in another final again. That's been the case fore a few years now

gormdubhgorm

Westernyelp wrote: »

What's it like living under a bridge Mr troll?

Do you think I am off the mark in anything I said. I am just being honest.

Even the Mayo players don't believe they have a chance.

Andy Moran was asked "Can you win the final?"

He gave the most sheepish half-hearted "Sure why not?" response.

gormdubhgorm

Menoetius wrote: »

100% agree, nobody, in any sport, is unbeatable.

Let's not forget this Mayo team took us to a replay last year, and we are an all star and the player of the year down in defense.


Yes we are favourites, and rightly so, but to write Mayo off is crazy stuff.

Have you seen how Mayo perform in AI finals?

Two words sum them up "wides" and "collapse"

I know you will say that there was only a point in it in the 2013 final but Dublin were in control in the latter stages while O'Connor panicked misheard the ref and went for a point instead of a goal.

In 2012 the AI final v Donegal was over before it was begun v Donegal with a Murphy Goal early on.

The best Mayo can hope for is that people say "at least they gave it a lash".

At worst "What now for Mayo football?"

PressRun

:pac:

Keep doing the team talk, lads.

happyoutscan

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Even the Mayo players don't believe they have a chance.

Andy Moran was asked "Can you win the final?"

He gave the most sheepish half-hearted "Sure why not?" response.

Are you seriously using only that statement to justify your assertion that Mayo players don't believe they can win the Final?

gormdubhgorm

happyoutscan wrote: »

Are you seriously using only that statement to justify your assertion that Mayo players don't believe they can win the Final?

You will only have to look at their body language during the parade at the start they will be s**ting themselves.

Meanwhile Jim Gavin will be that cool calm influence in the dressing room and on the sidelines. A guy who has learnt from his mistakes.

What have Mayo learnt but a losing mentality?

gormdubhgorm

PressRun wrote: »

:pac:

Keep doing the team talk, lads.

The mayo crowd could put all my posts on the dressing room wall but it still won't do them any good.

PressRun

Keep it coming!

happyoutscan

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You will only have to look at their body language during the parade at the start they will be s**ting themselves.

Further proof you know nothing, absolutely nothing about this set of Mayo players.

gormdubhgorm

happyoutscan wrote: »

Further proof you know nothing, absolutely nothing about this set of Mayo players.

Mayo have three decent players maybe four at a push.

Only three would be good enough to get into the Dublin Panel in my view.

Mcloughlin as an impact sub and Aidan O'Shea might even push for a starting position at midfield.

You could argue Lee Keegan might get a place at wing back since he is more attacking then John Small.

Mayo's u21s loftus and Diarmuid O'Connor would not get in an asses roar of this Dublin panel. Rock is a better free=taker then Cillan O'Connor so his older brother would not have a hope either.


Keeping the score respectable will be Mayo's main achievement if the game is not over as a contest after about 40-50 mins they would have done well.

Bunny Colvin

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Mayo have three decent players maybe four at a push.

Only three would be good enough to get into the Dublin Panel in my view.

Mcloughlin as an impact sub and Aidan O'Shea might even push for a starting position at midfield.

You could argue Lee Keegan might get a place at wing back since he is more attacking then John Small.

Mayo's u21s loftus and Diarmuid O'Connor would not get in an asses roar of this Dublin panel. Rock is a better free=taker then Cillan O'Connor so his older brother would not have a hope either.


Keeping the score respectable will be Mayo's main achievement if the game is not over as a contest after about 40-50 mins they would have done well.

You're either trolling or absolutely deluded! I hope it's the latter, that scale of delusion is rare and refreshing to read.

SeanJ09

Will they be previewing the football on the sunday game tonight?

PARlance

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Will they be previewing the football on the sunday game tonight?

No and rightly so. It's 2 weeks away and it's Hurlings day.

Spleerbun

i know it's mayo, and everybody knows their record, but I wouldn't write off anybody in an all-ireland final! dublin SHOULD win, and may well win at a canter...but i wouldnt be as confident as some on here. far crazier things have happened

Rainman16

I'll go for Dublin by about 7 points

ProudDUB

PARlance wrote: »

No and rightly so. It's 2 weeks away and it's Hurlings day.

God, no. We had to live thru a month of Kerry's hunger being rammed down our throats by the meeja. I'm not in any hurry to have to listen to the same broken record on Mayo. :rolleyes:

corny

ProudDUB wrote: »

God, no. We had to live thru a month of Kerry's hunger being rammed down our throats by the meeja. I'm not in any hurry to have to listen to the same broken record on Mayo. :rolleyes:

That'll happen alright. You listen to podcasts and read articles and its all the same. Focused heavily on how the opposition beat Dublin. I read very little about how Dublin would shape up going into the semi. All focused on Kerry and what they'd bring.

FWIW its not anti Dublin bias or any of that ****e. Just people rooting for the underdog.

PARlance

corny wrote: »

Focused heavily on how the opposition beat Dublin. I read very little about how Dublin would shape up going into the semi. All focused on Kerry and what they'd bring.

FWIW its not anti Dublin bias or any of that ****e. Just people rooting for the underdog.

The undergod angle will be done to death but Dublin are to blame too, they're brilliantly boring you could say. A settled team that have a massive winning streak. It's hard to create a narrative around that.

ProudDUB

PARlance wrote: »

The undergod angle will be done to death but Dublin are to blame too, they're brilliantly boring you could say. A settled team that have a massive winning streak. It's hard to create a narrative around that.

Ah here, I know Aidan O'Shea is a deity in Mayo, but lets not get carried away.

happyoutscan

ProudDUB wrote: »

Ah here, I know Aidan O'Shea is a deity in Mayo, but lets not get carried away.

Keegan more so.

PARlance

ProudDUB wrote: »

Ah here, I know Aidan O'Shea is a deity in Mayo, but lets not get carried away.

I'm feeling a bit woof.

Peist2007

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Do you think I am off the mark in anything I said. I am just being honest.

Even the Mayo players don't believe they have a chance.

Andy Moran was asked "Can you win the final?"

He gave the most sheepish half-hearted "Sure why not?" response.

Untrue.

km79

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Do you think I am off the mark in anything I said. I am just being honest.

Even the Mayo players don't believe they have a chance.

Andy Moran was asked "Can you win the final?"

He gave the most sheepish half-hearted "Sure why not?" response.

Rubbish

Kauto

Speaking as a neutral i think Mayo have a great chance in the final.
All you hear in the media is that this Dublin team is the best team to ever play GAA. FFS the Dublin team of 4/5 years ago were better.

You have Paul Flynn who looks a shadow of his former self. Brogan the same and unless he gets the ball facing the goals he is no threat. You have Connolly(unbelievable talent) who will score his 2 or 3 points a game but create nothing for anyone else. Rock and McMemimem both had once in a year performances last time. The latter kicked two points off his left which he can barely stand on!
They have O'Gara coming in off the bench who at best is Junior football standard.

They played Kerry who had how many fellas aged 32+ finishing the game? and managed to beat them by 2 points. Mayo have a great chance of beating the most over rated team in the history of GAA.

BonnieSituation

Kauto wrote: »

Speaking as a neutral i think Mayo have a great chance in the final.
All you hear in the media is that this Dublin team is the best team to ever play GAA. FFS the Dublin team of 4/5 years ago were better.

You have Paul Flynn who looks a shadow of his former self. Brogan the same and unless he gets the ball facing the goals he is no threat. You have Connolly(unbelievable talent) who will score his 2 or 3 points a game but create nothing for anyone else. Rock and McMemimem both had once in a year performances last time. The latter kicked two points off his left which he can barely stand on!
They have O'Gara coming in off the bench who at best is Junior football standard.

They played Kerry who had how many fellas aged 32+ finishing the game? and managed to beat them by 2 points. Mayo have a great chance of beating the most over rated team in the history of GAA.

And Mayo will bring what to tell table to beat this overrated team?

Hunger?

Believe?

Determination?

gormdubhgorm

Kauto wrote: »

Speaking as a neutral i think Mayo have a great chance in the final.

They have a chance only because they are in the final.
They will need outside forces to help them Dublin sendings off/black cards etc

All you hear in the media is that this Dublin team is the best team to ever play GAA. FFS the Dublin team of 4/5 years ago were better.

The Dublin team of 4/5 years ago were not better then this team.
This team would not have lost to Donegal in 2012.

This Dublin team have injected a patience into thier play under pressure. They just wait and play thier game with control skill and movement.

You have Paul Flynn who looks a shadow of his former self. Brogan the same and unless he gets the ball facing the goals he is no threat.

I would agree with you here. Personally I would drop Brogan.
But the strength of the Dublin bench enables seemless changes with guys that come on to change a game

You have Connolly(unbelievable talent) who will score his 2 or 3 points a game but create nothing for anyone else.

This is ridiculous. The amount of damage Connolly causes just by making runs and has the vision to make passes from any angle.

You can only appreciate this fully when you are at a game he is in.

He is also capable of scoring 10 points from play!

Rock and McMemimem both had once in a year performances last time. The latter kicked two points off his left which he can barely stand on!

Both of these players have improved Rock from play, and Kevin Mc now has the where-with-all to turn provider as well as goal getter.

They have O'Gara coming in off the bench who at best is Junior football standard.

He still has a good chance of scoring a goal against Mayo from the bench like he has done against the likes of Kerry in the 2013 AI semi. He also scored a goal against Tyrone in the 2010 AI quarter final.

Dublin obviously have a high junior football standard!

They played Kerry who had how many fellas aged 32+ finishing the game? and managed to beat them by 2 points.

This is the same Kerry team who won the 2014 AI beating Mayo along the way!

You fail to mention that Dublin gave Kerry a five point lead at half time and still managed to beat Kerry by 2 points that is a SEVEN point turn around SEVEN.
Dublin would have beaten Kerry by far more only for uncharacteristic casualness from Cluxton in the first half this will not happen again. He will be more switched on.

Mayo have a great chance of beating the most over rated team in the history of GAA.

This Dublin team will go down as one of the greatest football teams in GAA history they will be compared to the great Kerry team under Micko the only team who is comparable.

Kauto

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And Mayo will bring what to tell table to beat this overrated team?

Hunger?

Believe?

Determination?

Well i would think all three would be a given. Id have thought Mayo would be far more Jittery facing Kerry than they would be Dublin, considering history over the past 10 years.

I dont think Mayo have to do anymore than replicate their Semi final performance(1st day) from last year. Dublin are a weaker team this year.

Gael85

Kauto wrote: »

Speaking as a neutral i think Mayo have a great chance in the final.
All you hear in the media is that this Dublin team is the best team to ever play GAA. FFS the Dublin team of 4/5 years ago were better.

You have Paul Flynn who looks a shadow of his former self. Brogan the same and unless he gets the ball facing the goals he is no threat. You have Connolly(unbelievable talent) who will score his 2 or 3 points a game but create nothing for anyone else. Rock and McMemimem both had once in a year performances last time. The latter kicked two points off his left which he can barely stand on!
They have O'Gara coming in off the bench who at best is Junior football standard.

They played Kerry who had how many fellas aged 32+ finishing the game? and managed to beat them by 2 points. Mayo have a great chance of beating the most over rated team in the history of GAA.

Fr Tod Umptious

Kauto wrote: »

Speaking as a neutral i think Mayo have a great chance in the final.
All you hear in the media is that this Dublin team is the best team to ever play GAA. FFS the Dublin team of 4/5 years ago were better.

You have Paul Flynn who looks a shadow of his former self. Brogan the same and unless he gets the ball facing the goals he is no threat. You have Connolly(unbelievable talent) who will score his 2 or 3 points a game but create nothing for anyone else. Rock and McMemimem both had once in a year performances last time. The latter kicked two points off his left which he can barely stand on!
They have O'Gara coming in off the bench who at best is Junior football standard.

They played Kerry who had how many fellas aged 32+ finishing the game? and managed to beat them by 2 points. Mayo have a great chance of beating the most over rated team in the history of GAA.

That's not true
The most overrated team in the history of GAA is this years Tyrone team !

But I do think that Dublin are not as good as they were a few years ago, I feel they look more like the 2012 incarnation rather than the 2013 or 2015

That's not to say they ate not really good or anything, they have every right to be favourite

Kauto

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's not true
The most overrated team in the history of GAA is this years Tyrone team !

But I do think that Dublin are not as good as they were a few years ago, I feel they look more like the 2012 incarnation rather than the 2013 or 2015

That's not to say they ate not really good or anything, they have every right to be favourite

I agree they more than deserve to be favorites. I happen to think they are a team in decline and are not as good as 2013+2015.

gormdubhgorm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And Mayo will bring what to tell table to beat this overrated team?

Hunger?

Believe?

Determination?

Hope


more hope


Desperation


Panic



Wides

DoctaDee

Kauto wrote: »

Speaking as a neutral .......

There's enough of your posts lying around to refute that .. may I suggest "speaking as someone from neither county"

Dyr

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And Mayo will bring what to tell table to beat this overrated team?

Hunger?

Believe?

Determination?

In order of importance:

Hunger

Hurt

Due a good performance/Will peak at the right time/Whatever you're having yourself

Its their time

Slattsy

I always enjoy reading the neutrals' unbiased comments in this forum.

yop

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This Dublin team will go down as one of the greatest football teams in GAA history they will be compared to the great Kerry team under Micko the only team who is comparable.

:D:D:D:D:D Post of the year so far!!!

Peist2007

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And Mayo will bring what to tell table to beat this overrated team?

Hunger?

Believe?

Determination?

Mayo lost by a point in a replay against Dublin in last year's semi final. Keep giving us no chance, suits us perfectly

Peist2007

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

.

You haven't a clue

Menoetius

Peist2007 wrote: »

Mayo lost by a point in a replay against Dublin in last year's semi final. Keep giving us no chance, suits us perfectly

We won that replay by seven in the end.

Fr Tod Umptious

Peist2007 wrote: »

Mayo lost by a point in a replay against Dublin in last year's semi final. Keep giving us no chance, suits us perfectly

Actually they lost by 7

ProudDUB

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hope


more hope


Desperation


Panic



Wides


Dodgy goals, conceded at the worst time.


A lovely new hair do on Aidan O'Shea. No doubt he'll tweet a picture of it between now and D Day.


More dodgy goals.


Keegan actin' the bawlocks


Whinging about the ref


And yet another dodgy goal, for the craic like

Fixed that for you mate !


(PS I'm a neutral too. )