SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - *Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393*

Menoetius

blinding wrote: »

Should Mayo warm up on the Hill end the next day or is this stuff already decided before ....funny if its always decided that the Dubs warm up at the Hill end .

There should be lots drawn.........

It would be a big mistake from Mayo if it's an attempt at mind games.
What if they do, and the Dubs just ignore it an go to the canal end without any fuss, which I'd expect this Dublin team to do? Mayo would just like they are down the hill end spoiling for a fight while being ignored. Mind games score 1 to the Dubs.

Mayo won't risk it, they know this Dublin team has a totally different mindset to the team of 2006.

Peist2007

robbiezero wrote: »

At the moment they are not. They might be after Sunday. But if it was Mayo v Kerry on Sunday, Kerry would be the favourites.

Disagree. Kerry are very overrated and quite ordinary. All will be revealed.

Peist2007

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

March 2016.

Kerry 2-13 Mayo 0-14

March has little to do with anything. If we judged things as at March 2016 the Rossies would be in the All Ireland Final as reigning Connacht Champions.

corny

elefant wrote: »

Agree.

Excellent player, but not sure he warrants the crazy hype at the moment. Like you say, there would be a few other Dublin players I'd be more concerned about.

Agreed.

Actually the danger is he might become known as a the Michael Carrick of the GAA (always going sideways for the non soccer types;)).

Stick him closer to goal, tell him to be more direct and he's a class act.

kilns

Peist2007 wrote: »

robbiezero wrote: »

At the moment they are not. They might be after Sunday. But if it was Mayo v Kerry on Sunday, Kerry would be the favourites.

Disagree. Kerry are very overrated and quite ordinary. All will be revealed.

So a Kerry team who beat Tipperary by 10 points this summer is overrated. Where does that leave a Mayo team that only beat them by 5 points?

Fr Tod Umptious

kilns wrote: »

So a Kerry team who beat Tipperary by 10 points this summer is overrated. Where does that leave a Mayo team that only beat them by 5 points?

Kerry and Mayo are pretty much on a par in my opinion.

Heck the last time they played at this level it went to extra time in a replay.

Fr Tod Umptious

kilns wrote: »

So a Kerry team who beat Tipperary by 10 points this summer is overrated. Where does that leave a Mayo team that only beat them by 5 points?

Oh yea and I forgot.

Galway beat Mayo and Tipp beat Galway so Tipp are better than Mayo.

robbiezero

Peist2007 wrote: »

Disagree. Kerry are very overrated and quite ordinary. All will be revealed.

Not sure if they are over-rated. They are hardly ordinary. They aren't a patch on the great side of last decade, but they still have only been beaten by Dublin in the Championship in the last 3 years and have knocked out Tyrone, Mayo and Donegal in that time. If Mayo beat Dublin on Sunday, then yes Mayo are a better team, if they don't then they aren't - they are on a par at the very most depending on the manner of the loss.

kilns

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

So a Kerry team who beat Tipperary by 10 points this summer is overrated. Where does that leave a Mayo team that only beat them by 5 points?

Oh yea and I forgot.

Galway beat Mayo and Tipp beat Galway so Tipp are better than Mayo.

Well it is a logical argument considering the OP called Kerry overrated and both teams have played that same team. Mayo have done nothing this year to make that call about any team.

Fr Tod Umptious

kilns wrote: »

Well it is a logical argument considering the OP called Kerry overrated and both teams have played that same team. Mayo have done nothing this year to make that call about any team.

You can't just look at the score in two games a decide that one is better than the other.

Its more complex than that.

I think Mayo match up better v Dublin than Kerry because they are younger and fitter.

But as I said I'd put Mayo and Kerry about the same right now.

Stoner

Peist2007 wrote:

Disagree. Kerry are very overrated and quite ordinary. All will be revealed.

Ahh they'd be the favourites though, I'd bet on Mayo winning but Kerry would be favourites alright imo.

kilns

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Well it is a logical argument considering the OP called Kerry overrated and both teams have played that same team. Mayo have done nothing this year to make that call about any team.

You can't just look at the score in two games a decide that one is better than the other.

Its more complex than that.

I think Mayo match up better v Dublin than Kerry because they are younger and fitter.

But as I said I'd put Mayo and Kerry about the same right now.

But on the other side, you can claim Kerry carry a bigger scoring threat and have better forwards than Mayo

But the original poster called Kerry overrated and if he calling them overrated compared to the Mayo team of this year than he is mistaken and hugely overrating this current Mayo team

harpsman

ProudDUB wrote: »

Sigh.....

The dressing rooms are assigned alphabetically. You warm up at the same end of the pitch as your dressing room. As Dublin's name (as Gaeilge) starts with an A, they will get the A dressing room, which is down the Hill end, more often than not. Conspiracy theories this way please

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> :rolleyes:

So they warm up at the Canal End when playing Ard Mhacha(apol if said already and for spelling)? I bet not

Moo Moo Land

Peist2007 wrote: »

March has little to do with anything. If we judged things as at March 2016 the Rossies would be in the All Ireland Final as reigning Connacht Champions.

Ok so where is your evidence that Mayo are better than Kerry?

jive

Anyone saying Mayo would be favourites going up against Kerry in the AI final this year need their heads checked. If Kerry beat the unsinkable Dublin they would be red hot favourites heading into Sunday.

DDC1990

Peist2007 wrote:

March has little to do with anything. If we judged things as at March 2016 the Rossies would be in the All Ireland Final as reigning Connacht Champions.

Your right things are judged in September.

Mayo haven't won an All Ireland in 65 years.

Arse Biscuits

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Ha, so Cluxton's errors accounted for an "obliteration" of points!!




what do you think Arse Biscuits or were you just going to sit and watch the comments and throw digs when noone was talking!!

No I don't throw digs, just asked a simple question and no need for the smart comments.
As for the game itself Dublin could win by 8+ points. This is possibly one of the best sides to play the game. Yes they are missing two current All Stars but they've class and match winners on every line of the field and I don't think that can't be said for Mayo. You don't go winning 25 odd games in a row being poor and I feel Mayo can't and won't turn on form like it's a tap. You mention that they were beaten by a very good Galway side but that's pure nonsense. Galway are a poor side and not even a top 8 county.

Mayo won't have their day on Sunday

The Talking Bread

In fairness it was a smart comment by you! You knew well it was the thread. And then didn't contribute yourself! So hardly a question! was only having a joke. So what about a hand full of posts! .

Anyway let's not fall out!

The Talking Bread

In fairness it was a smart comment by you! You knew well it was the thread. And then didn't contribute yourself! So hardly a question! was only having a joke. So what about a hand full of posts! .

Anyway let's not fall out!

Kauto

jive wrote: »

Anyone saying Mayo would be favourites going up against Kerry in the AI final this year need their heads checked. If Kerry beat the unsinkable Dublin they would be red hot favourites heading into Sunday.

They wouldnt be. Id say Mayo would have s h it the bed going in against Kerry after past expierences in finals. They would much prefer to play Dublin.

Having said that, Kerry had how many fellas aged 32+ playing? Worst Kerry side in living memory.

Mayo have every chance of winning this game.

kilns

Kauto wrote: »

jive wrote: »

Anyone saying Mayo would be favourites going up against Kerry in the AI final this year need their heads checked. If Kerry beat the unsinkable Dublin they would be red hot favourites heading into Sunday.

They wouldnt be. Id say Mayo would have s h it the bed going in against Kerry after past expierences in finals. They would much prefer to play Dublin.

Having said that, Kerry had how many fellas aged 32+ playing? Worst Kerry side in living memory.

Mayo have every chance of winning this game.

A Dublin team whom they have not beaten in years?

Worst Kerry side in living memory, I seem to remember the late 80s to mid 90s quite bleak.

Mayo have every chance of winning this game only if Dublin play at 80% of their ability

Blud

harpsman wrote: »

So they warm up at the Canal End when playing Ard Mhacha(apol if said already and for spelling)? I bet not

Well they played An Mhi and An Ciarrai this year too, what end and what dressing room did they get there?

Truth is, Dublin get the home dressing room and choice of everything at Croker.

Blud

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Ok so where is your evidence that Mayo are better than Kerry?

Erm... We're in an All Ireland final on Sunday. Are Kerry?

Surely that is better evidence than a league game in March?

Menoetius

Blud wrote: »

Truth is, Dublin get the home dressing room and choice of everything at Croker.

They have to pay for the hot dogs the same as anyone.

kilns

Blud wrote: »

harpsman wrote: »

So they warm up at the Canal End when playing Ard Mhacha(apol if said already and for spelling)? I bet not

Well they played An Mhi and An Ciarrai this year too, what end and what dressing room did they get there?

Truth is, Dublin get the home dressing room and choice of everything at Croker.

Yeah they even demanded the seats are painted blue awful stuff

Kauto

kilns wrote: »

A Dublin team whom they have not beaten in years?

Worst Kerry side in living memory, I seem to remember the late 80s to mid 90s quite bleak.

Mayo have every chance of winning this game only if Dublin play at 80% of their ability

Teams rarely play to 80-90% of their ability. There are always players who perform under par on the big day on winning teams. Dublin will probably play to 80% and maybe it will be good enough.

I backed Mayo earlier in the year and am sticking with them now. Love their profile compared to previous years. Coming into a final playing poorly. Can only go one way this time.

As for Dublin, Dean Rock is due a mare of a game. Had a mare last year against Mayo and has yet to have one this year.
McMememin kicked two of his left in the semi which he wouldn't hit again if he had 100 attempts.
Dublin's bench is also not as good as some people would lead you to believe.

kilns

Kauto wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

A Dublin team whom they have not beaten in years?

Worst Kerry side in living memory, I seem to remember the late 80s to mid 90s quite bleak.

Mayo have every chance of winning this game only if Dublin play at 80% of their ability

Teams rarely play to 80-90% of their ability. There are always players who perform under par on the big day on winning teams. Dublin will probably play to 80% and maybe it will be good enough.

I backed Mayo earlier in the year and am sticking with them now. Love their profile compared to previous years. Coming into a final playing poorly. Can only go one way this time.

As for Dublin, Dean Rock is due a mare of a game. Had a mare last year against Mayo and has yet to have one this year.
McMememin kicked two of his left in the semi which he wouldn't hit again if he had 100 attempts.
Dublin's bench is also not as good as some people would lead you to believe.

So they have come into the game playing poorly all season, all of a sudden they will turn it around and play the game of their lives, doubtful

Rock has improved massively and has been very consistent, but the difference with this Dublin team and all the other teams is that if Rock doesnt perform, someone else steps up.

Your words about McMenamin will come back to haunt you I am sure.

Mayo dont have the forwards to frighten Dublin

Moo Moo Land

Blud wrote: »

Erm... We're in an All Ireland final on Sunday. Are Kerry?

Surely that is better evidence than a league game in March?

That's the luck of the draw chief

Mayo have never beaten Kerry in an All Ireland final.
Galway haven't beaten Kerry in an All Ireland final since 1965.

Kauto

kilns wrote: »

So they have come into the game playing poorly all season, all of a sudden they will turn it around and play the game of their lives, doubtful

Rock has improved massively and has been very consistent, but the difference with this Dublin team and all the other teams is that if Rock doesnt perform, someone else steps up.

Your words about McMenamin will come back to haunt you I am sure.

Mayo dont have the forwards to frighten Dublin

All about peaking for one day. Would far prefer to reach a final playing poorly than reach one playing well.

If Rock doesnt perform on frees you dont have anyone else to hit them bar Cluxton and id say Mayo will be delighted if he has to start taking them.

As for Mayo not having the forwards, they probably do lack another scoring forward.

Peist2007

kilns wrote: »

So a Kerry team who beat Tipperary by 10 points this summer is overrated. Where does that leave a Mayo team that only beat them by 5 points?

If you can point me to two games of football that are/were entirely identical from throw-in to final whistle i will give your question another glance

Peist2007

robbiezero wrote: »

If Mayo beat Dublin on Sunday, then yes Mayo are a better team,

I would have to disagree with that also. Dublin are clearly a better team with a better overall squad also. Sport is a beautiful thing though.

Peist2007

jive wrote: »

Anyone saying Mayo would be favourites going up against Kerry in the AI final this year need their heads checked. If Kerry beat the unsinkable Dublin they would be red hot favourites heading into Sunday.

They didnt though because they couldnt.

Peist2007

DDC1990 wrote: »

Your right things are judged in September 2016.

Mayo haven't won an All Ireland in 65 years.

FYP

64 years of your comment are completely irrelevant. Let's hope your Dub heroes also appreciate that fact

Peist2007

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Ok so where is your evidence that Mayo are better than Kerry?

Sure you wouldnt understand the evidence if you're asking me questions like that

happyoutscan

kilns wrote: »

Mayo dont have the forwards to frighten Dublin

If on top of their game Andy Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Diarmuid O'Connor will frighten Dublin.

ProudDUB

happyoutscan wrote: »

If on top of their game Andy Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Diarmuid O'Shea will frighten Dublin.

I don't think Cillian and Diarmuid O'Shea are going to be frightening anyone, quite frankly.

Slattsy

happyoutscan wrote: »

If on top of their game Andy Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Diarmuid O'Shea will frighten Dublin.

Go home you're drunk.

puma90

Anyone have a ticket or 2 for sale?? ❤💚

The Talking Bread

puma90 wrote: »

Anyone have a ticket or 2 for sale?? ❤💚

good luck with that!!



but seriously, good luck, hope you get them!

Arse Biscuits

happyoutscan wrote: »

If on top of their game Andy Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Diarmuid O'Shea will frighten Dublin.

Cillian is no where near the top forward he once had the potential to be and isn't scoring from play consistently.
Diarmuid isn't 100% fit and was clearly injured against Tipp.
Aido is Aido and will run out of steam after running up cul de sacs
Moran is the most dangerous forward but won't last the full 70.

How many of the Mayo forwards would start for the Dubs?I think at a push one.

Hammer Archer

As usual at this time of year, the mod note in post #1 is up. No excuses.

kilns

happyoutscan wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Mayo dont have the forwards to frighten Dublin

If on top of their game Andy Moran, Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Diarmuid O'Shea will frighten Dublin.

None of those would score more than 3 points from play.

Panrich

Arse Biscuits wrote: »

Cillian is no where near the top forward he once had the potential to be and isn't scoring from play consistently.
Diarmuid isn't 100% fit and was clearly injured against Tipp.
Aido is Aido and will run out of steam after running up cul de sacs
Moran is the most dangerous forward but won't last the full 70.

How many of the Mayo forwards would start for the Dubs?I think at a push one.

I hope that they take pity on us and don't push on remorselessly when the game is already won. Our lads don't deserve a bad beating as they have always tried their best but I didn't realise how far off we were.

ProudDUB

In the interests of international peace & cooperation & cross border reconciliation, I'll just throw this up.

(Prepare to do some serious cringing. )

Kalyke

ProudDUB wrote: »

In the interests of international peace & cooperation & cross border reconciliation, I'll just throw this up.

(Prepare to do some serious cringing. )

And Dublins song have all been classics!:D:D:D

ProudDUB

Don't make me throw up some Dubliners or Luke Kelly videos. I don't want to turn this into a blood bath.

Kalyke

ProudDUB wrote: »

Don't make me throw up some Dubliners or Luke Kelly videos. I don't want to turn this into a blood bath.

ANY Dublin song would make me throw up:pac::pac:

toffeeshel

Kauto wrote: »

All about peaking for one day. Would far prefer to reach a final playing poorly than reach one playing well.

If Rock doesnt perform on frees you dont have anyone else to hit them bar Cluxton and id say Mayo will be delighted if he has to start taking them.

As for Mayo not having the forwards, they probably do lack another scoring forward.

Cormac Costello

TCDStudent1

Arse Biscuits wrote: »

Cillian is no where near the top forward he once had the potential to be and isn't scoring from play consistently.
Diarmuid isn't 100% fit and was clearly injured against Tipp.
Aido is Aido and will run out of steam after running up cul de sacs
Moran is the most dangerous forward but won't last the full 70.

How many of the Mayo forwards would start for the Dubs?I think at a push one.

Interesting question. If I was to pick a forward line from the 2 teams, I would go with:

10. D. O'Connor (despite his up & down form this year, he is pure quality& a month off before the final may do him a lot of good. A month is a long time to get your body prepared for a match).

11. C. Kilkenny
12. D. Connolly
13. K. McManaman
14. A. Moran
15. B. Brogan (on current form, there could be a case for D. Rock, or even A. O'Sé here)


So I'd give Mayo at least 2 out of the 6, which isnt bad. You look at Andrews & Mannion not starting for Dublin though - both would walk onto that Mayo forward line.

ProudDUB

toffeeshel wrote: »

Cormac Costello

And some fella called Bernard Brogan. Anyone ever heard of him? :rolleyes:

We won two All Irelands, two league titles and God knows how many Leinsters, with him being the primary free taker. Deano only became the main man in 2015.