5 members of family found dead in Cavan - NO SPECULATION

sadie06

Like others, I am thinking of those that met their end in what seems like unthinkable circumstances, the poor relatives left behind, the emergency services, and the pupils of the national school whose innocence has also been shattered forever following this tragedy.

This week should be full of excitement and optimism for school children and I can't imagine how I would deal with my own kids finding out that such a thing as this act exists and that it can be carried out by people you know. It's a f***ing nightmare for the entire community.

murpho999

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Nice thoughtful post.

There is no such thing as evil.

What else could turn a normal person who is active in the local community to do this but mental health issues.

Not the first time it happened and won't be the last.

Very sad case no need for the macho bar stool dramatics.

Spanish Eyes

Dozyart wrote: »

How do you know that's what happened??

I don't but that's just my take on it.

Either way, no matter what happened it was horrific for those killed, I'm sure you agree.

Autonomous Cowherd

I don't know. I feel inclined towards being angry towards the perpetrator in these cases. Strangers who murder are often also mentally ill and yet we would be allowed feel anger if some stranger broke in and slaughtered a family. In these cases, there is a subtle innuendo that this is a private tragic affair. It's not, in my opinion. The perpetrator did not somehow ''own'' the victims, in a way that could make it less than savage murder by stranger. I feel as angry about people who kill their families as I feel about people who kill people to whom they are not related. That's just how I feel. I started feeling this way towards these family murderers after Christopher Crowley shot his little girl, Deirdre, mercilessly, upon being tracked down. There is something insidiously evil in this subtle sense of 'ownership' of another humans life. I do not mean to offend.

jimmynokia

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Your comment is just as bad as the suns take, then you have the neck to ask if anyone knows the circumstances

Dozyart

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't but that's just my take on it.

it's terrible enough without people adding their own slant to it,although a career in headline writing might not by far away!

Musketeer4

You're dead right. Just because a murder is committed by a family member does not mean it should be treated with any less outrage or that the murderer should be given any sort of understanding. In my eyes murder is murder is evil.

jimmynokia

lawlolawl wrote: »

Lol at people complaining about the coverage by the Sun including "live updates" in an AH thread started a scant few hours after the incident.

Yet you post about it..

eamonnq

Musketeer4 wrote: »

You're dead right. Just because a murder is committed by a family member does not mean it should be treated with any less outrage or that the murderer should be given any sort of understanding. In my eyes murder is murder is evil.

If someone commits suicide, do they deserve any sort of understanding in your book ?

PopePalpatine

eamonnq wrote: »

Don't know why people even link to them on here, better to just ignore them instead of spreading their links anywhere.

SCUM

Archiving sites are your friend, at least that way trashy news sites don't get any extra clicks.

Fr_Dougal

eamonnq wrote: »

If someone commits suicide, do they deserve any sort of understanding in your book ?

That's not what has happened in this case.

Mr. CooL ICE

Musketeer4 wrote: »

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Mod:

Musketeer4, there is a high possibility that relatives of the deceased could be reading this forum and this very thread. A bit of cop on, please.

Say what you want about boards.ie, but it is not The Sun.

jaykay74

Very sad for the 4 family members brutally murdered. I hope they rest in peace.

Jayop

Horrible unthinkable thing. Rip to the deceased.

Just heard the fathers occupation. The mind just can't understand how this could happen.

The Black Oil

No words. Just horrific.

extra gravy

rjpf1980 wrote: »

The Sun are absolute scum. The family have to see that headline in the local shops? Somebody should go into the Irish Sun office and kick the living sh*t out of whoever wrote that. Journalists are absolute filth. I want to vomit. Do these people have any f*cking decency or cop on?

Actually know one of the journalists named as one of the authors of that "piece." I know they're doing their job but that person has gone down a lot in my estimation after reading that. Don't know how they can sleep at night.

ThinkProgress

I never judge adults who choose to end their own life... the adult world can be a truly awful place for some people. Filled with huge pressure, expectations and loneliness etc.

But why the kids? Kids are a blank canvas... their parents mistakes and problems don't necessarily have to follow them!

That's the part I find difficult to stomach. Most kids would not choose to end their life. They still have hope and optimism.

When a very unhappy or sick adult kills them self, at least you can say they've ended their troubles. But what do you say about children who possibly only had thoughts of waking up tomorrow and having fun with their friends? Who probably had very little concept of what it meant to be a troubled soul...?

It's hugely selfish! Makes me angry! :mad:

eamonnq

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That's not what has happened in this case.

I am well aware of that, I was asking the other poster 'If' someone commits suicide did they deserve 'any sort of understanding' (in his book)?

xzanti

Awful tragedy, we will never know what went through the perpetrators mind to do such an unthinkable thing. May they rest in peace.

With regard to people coming onto the thread just to complain about the people posting about it. People are naturally shocked and appalled and it is going to draw public interest.

People are going to mull over the details, it's human nature. That will never change.

I would wager that half of the people who are complaining actually rushed here to do so. To be the first in with the 'you're all nosy ghouls' post.

/Rant

lawlolawl

My name is URL wrote: »

Fair point, really

I don't see what purpose these sorts of threads serve myself in general.

People get to type RIP and talk about the incident as if they know what happened or actually know the people involved. Not sure what they get out of it.

It's just as bad as the tabloid angle, just with a different, insidious approach of acting like you give a ****.

Musketeer4

Mods, this thread is a disgrace. Lock it up.

eamonnq

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I never judge adults who choose to end their own life... the adult world can be a truly awful place for some people. Filled with huge pressure, expectations and loneliness etc.

But why the kids? Kids are a blank canvas... their parents mistakes and problems don't necessarily have to follow them!

That's the part I find difficult to stomach. Most kids would not choose to end their life. They still have hope and optimism.

When a very unhappy or sick adult kills them self, at least you can say they've ended their troubles. But what do you say about children who possibly only had thoughts of waking up tomorrow and having fun with their friends? Who probably had very little concept of what it meant to be a troubled soul...?

It's hugely selfish! Makes me angry! :mad:

I often wonder about this myself and wonder if maybe the adult feels that they don't want the kids to have to go through with living in what they see as this 'truly awful place'.

tayto lover

Heartbreaking stuff. Truly terrible.
How will other parents explain this to their children who are friends of these three little brothers?
Really shocked by this.

Water John

Very sad. Don't try to apply logic to a very illogical deed.

Yes, early intervention counselling will be provided to their schoolmates I would presume.

byhookorbycrook

Water John wrote: »

Very sad. Don't try to apply logic to a very illogical deed.

Yes, early intervention counselling will be provided to their schoolmates I would presume.

NEPS are in the schools already. Sadly many schools have to put their critical incident policy into use, year in year out. We update ours regularly but the hope is you never need to use it.

Billy86

lawlolawl wrote: »

Lol at people complaining about the coverage by the Sun including "live updates" in an AH thread started a scant few hours after the incident.

There is no irony there. This thread is clearly called "Awful news from Cavan. 5 members of family found dead"

Whereas the Sun headline is clearly "Teacher dad who slaughtered three boys and wife in frenzied attack named"

It's not the reporting on the incident that has angered so many people, it's sensationalising it before any official word or statement has been given. Even if it is true, it's no way for family members to find out about it on the top of a red top rag like the sun compared to being informed tastefully by the relevant authorities.

UsedToWait

^ I don't think there's a need to repeat the Scum headline here..

People can click the previous link if they're not already aware what a reprehensible sh1trag that 'newspaper' is..

rjpf1980

extra gravy wrote: »

Actually know one of the journalists named as one of the authors of that "piece." I know they're doing their job but that person has gone down a lot in my estimation after reading that. Don't know how they can sleep at night.

Well could you spit in their face from all of us and tell them they are utter filth. To write sh*t like that when the dead are barely cold and perhaps relatives have to be contacted abroad? The mind boggles that someone could be so utterly devoid of feeling consideration and cop on. Sick.

Boardz Fiend

Disgusting journalism by The Sun's STEPHEN BREEN, NIALL O’CONNOR and EAVAN MURRAY. Does anyone know if there any mechanism to complain about that article?

Rosie Rant

Oh my God . I can't imagine the horror the mother and boys went through in their last moments. I really feel for the gardai who have had to deal with that unspeakable, unimaginable scene and with telling the victims' families. This will stay with them forever.

twowheelsonly

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Disgusting journalism by The Sun's STEPHEN BREEN, NIALL O’CONNOR and EAVAN MURRAY. Does anyone know if there any mechanism to complain about that article?

The paper itself and the Press Ombudsman.

You'll basically get a reply saying that that the story is in the public interest and the only people that have a right to complain or object are those directly affected by the incident itself, not those affected by the story /headline.

La.de.da

Truly horrifically sad events. May they rest in peace.

mdwexford

Disgusting, anyone who murders their own kids like that are the lowest form of scum.

How do the family come to terms with this ever, such a selfish horrible act.

Mr. CooL ICE

Musketeer4 wrote: »

When they've murdered their entire family, no. They do not.

Mod:

Do not post in this thread again

Akabusi

Really terrible news to hear, my thoughts are with the family and the whole community of Ballyjamesduff and Mountnugent and the Guards who came across the scene. On that rag of a paper - people really need to ask themselves why are they buying it.

Cork Lass

I think we should all hug our loved ones tonight and let them know how important they are to us. This is a sad day.

Omackeral

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Jesus, the terror the boys must have gone through, firstly hearing their mother being killed, and then their dad going after them. Poor things.



Good God. I often wonder does even exist.

If he does, he sure let's some awful f*cked up stuff happen to innocent people.

The emergency services, as someone said already, are gonna be distraught by this. My father worked as a fireman for 30 years and the only thing that ever broke him was a 4 year old in a road traffic accident. My mother told me he cried at home upstairs days after it.

BalcombeSt4

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Either way it's a horrible story, feel so sorry for relatives and friends. RIP.

Mod: Seriously, enough with the speculation. Will people please remember that this is very recent, not much is known and as a local case, family and friends of this family could be in here. Just..have some respect and cop on.

percy212

Nothing more effective than boycotting a paper. You would need to galvanize a lot of people to make the publication actually care however.

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Disgusting journalism by The Sun's STEPHEN BREEN, NIALL O’CONNOR and EAVAN MURRAY. Does anyone know if there any mechanism to complain about that article?

Water John

Well its what the people of Liverpool did.

dennyire

Why all the speculation that the Dad did it. Quite likely but also could be the mother.
Why not wait until the full facts come out

Boardz Fiend

dennyire wrote: »

Why all the speculation that the Dad did it. Quite likely but also could be the mother.
Why not wait until the full facts come out

The Gardai have stated that they believe it was the father. I don't think they would give that info to the Press unless it was pretty conclusive from whatever they saw at the scene.

rjpf1980

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Disgusting journalism by The Sun's STEPHEN BREEN, NIALL O’CONNOR and EAVAN MURRAY. Does anyone know if there any mechanism to complain about that article?

Scumbags should be sacked at the very least. A public flogging is the least they deserve. Dirt all three of them. They aren't human.

Steppenwolfe

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Scumbags should be sacked at the very least. A public flogging is the least they deserve. Dirt all three of them. They aren't human.

That's hysterical nonsense. Get a grip.

BettePorter

You just don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
Of course we can't speculate, but nothing about it can be anything but horrific. Given the background of the people involved, there are sooooo many people affected by this. The beginning of school years are stressful enough. Heartbreaking for the impact this will have on the people left behind. Doesn't bear thinking about.

Be thankful its not your family / neighbours / community tonight.

dennyire

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

The Gardai have stated that they believe it was the father. I don't think they would give that info to the Press unless it was pretty conclusive from whatever they saw at the scene.

Havent seen that anywhere...Just quote from Gardai that the likely scenario is that one person from the house carried it out

Wigglepuppy

lawlolawl wrote: »

Lol at people complaining about the coverage by the Sun including "live updates" in an AH thread started a scant few hours after the incident.

People aren't posting live updates though - mostly. One person did post the link to the Sun updates and then expressed disapproval.

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Scumbags should be sacked at the very least. A public flogging is the least they deserve. Dirt all three of them. They aren't human.

Sacked? It's their bosses who would have sent them to cover the story in this manner. There's a bunch of them in it. And in fairness the reporters didn't write the headline or set up the web coverage.

BettePorter

byhookorbycrook wrote:

We update ours regularly but the hope is you never need to use it.

Just out of interest how long has there been such a thing.

Back in the day (the 80's) the most critical thing to happen was someone running away/ disappearing from school and even that was treated with ...... ' ah sure he'll be grand / prob just went home'.

Boardz Fiend

dennyire wrote: »

Havent seen that anywhere...Just quote from Gardai that the likely scenario is that one person from the house carried it out

At the Garda Press Briefing they mentioned it. The briefing was reported on RTE news this eve.

byhookorbycrook

BettePorter wrote: »

Just out of interest how long has there been such a thing.

Back in the day (the 80's) the most critical thing to happen was someone running away/ disappearing from school and even that was treated with ...... ' ah sure he'll be grand / prob just went home'.

Our first one was done at least ten years ago. We update it every two years at a minimum. Incidents happened lots in the 80s too, but there wasn't the 24/7 media storm salivating over every single detail then.

Have a look at the NEPS prompt document to see what kind of things are covered.
https://www.education.ie/en/Schools-Colleges/Services/National-Educational-Psychological-Service-NEPS-/neps_critical_incidents_guidelines_schools.pdf