5 members of family found dead in Cavan - NO SPECULATION

eviltwin

rjpf1980 wrote: »

He was a wonderful man. A wonderful man who lost his mind and killed himself and his family. It could happen to anyone.

Did you know him or something? What on earth qualifies you to say anything about the kind of person he was least of all that he was wonderful??

rjpf1980

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It really couldnt. Why is there a need to excuse his murders?

He was stone mad that's why.

Jesus.

I believe rjpf1980 was being sarcastic.

Esel

rjpf1980 wrote: »

He was a wonderful man. A wonderful man who lost his mind and killed himself and his family. It could happen to anyone.

Not naïve, anyway.

Amanda.ie

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The point is Clodagh was a murder victim that has been airbrushed out of all media reports. While her husband has been lionised as a wonderful man..

Yes that is true but she was his wife, we cant change that. We dont know what happened or why he did what he did.
I think all the media attention is on him because it seems he was a wonderful man to all who knew him.

Annasopra

rjpf1980 wrote: »

He was stone mad that's why.

When did you qualify as a psychiatrist?

mzungu

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think the complete opposite. Its completely refreshing to hear what is said in that article compared to the mainstream media discourse.

Using a tragedy as a vehicle for pushing an agenda is in extremely bad taste.

Esel

Jesus. wrote: »

I believe rjpf1980 was being sarcastic.

There's a time and a place for that, and this is definitely not it. :mad:

Spanish Eyes

Esel wrote: »

Ah FFS.

Don't feed the troll is all I can say now.

rjpf1980

eviltwin wrote: »

Did you know him or something? What on earth qualifies you to say anything about the kind of person he was least of all that he was wonderful??

He has been described as such by everyone who knew him. The sad passing of his family was a bolt from the blue and his act of madness was completely out of character. Clearly Hawe was driven to kill by mental illness. Any right thinking and compassionate human being would find it in their heart to forgive Hawe. Clearly the family do as they are burying the family together. May Hawe his wife and his three sons rest in peace.

The hate on this thread is quite sickening and disturbing to be honest.

Annasopra

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Clearly Hawe was driven to kill by mental illness.

Why?

mansize

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Perhaps when agriculture began and land had to be passed on from generation to generation and when people began to live in towns and villages and evenrually cities. When a man's wife became his property - the origin of marriage - her nakedness became his property too.
In hunter gathering societies a man with a well developed body was a natural hunter and leader and a large penis was a sign of status perhaps the origin of phallic worship?
When property became the status symbol the man with property was no longer ripped but pudgy and fat and ugly. He could buy a beautiful wife but would be threatened by nudity as his wife would naturally be attracted to a man with a hot body.
If a woman was too skinny or fat had small breasts or big droopy boobs or unsightly body hair her chances of getting a husband were slim or if she expected more attractive people to obey her orders if they were in subservient positions being naked was an obvious disadvantage.
To keep working men focused on their jobs in the fields or working a trade women were covered up.
Homosexuality and lesbianism were not taboos for the same reason until labour gangs of men and women had to be put together to work.
Asexual clothing in the military religious orders or among slaves eliminates personhood and sexual urges as much as possible.
A strapping muscular young man is less likely to take orders from a pigeon chested pale short sighted geek if he is naked.
Women with status - who came from wealthy families with property - would have to be controlled made to be ashamed to be nude made to cover up and not be mixing with men so they would pure and virginal on their wedding night.
Until a man had money and property he could not marry and have sex with a woman unless he was married to her and women did not have sex with anyone except their husband and only for the purpose of conceiving.
Therefore nudity became taboo.
This how it was possible for men like Hitler or Goebbels or Himmler to give orders to millions.
If these monsters were naked they would have looked ridiculous talking about the master race.
Put a uniform on a runt like Napoleon and he is suddenly transformed.
A shrewish woman like Thatcher or Hilarious suddenly commands attention and obedience when she wears a power suit.

Given your views on married women being property of man, I'm not surprised by your replies here

Amanda.ie

rjpf1980 wrote: »

He has been described as such by everyone who knew him. The sad passing of his family was a bolt from the blue and his act of madness was completely out of character. Clearly Hawe was driven to kill by mental illness. Any right thinking and compassionate human being would find it in their heart to forgive Hawe. Clearly the family do as they are burying the family together. May Hawe his wife and his three sons rest in peace.

The hate on this thread is quite sickening and disturbing to be honest.

''Investigating gardaí are satisfied Mr Hawe did not suffer any mental health issues, had no contact with the Health Service Executive (HSE) and had no major financial problems''

Zubeneschamali

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Any right thinking and compassionate human being would find it in their heart to forgive Hawe.

This really isn't the place for jokes.

rjpf1980

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Why?

Why do you think? The negatives voices in his head took over and led him over the abyss. We all battle dark thoughts and voices in our heads telling us we are no good and telling us to give up. The majority of us can overcome it. A minority like Hawe can't.

rjpf1980

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

This really isn't the place for jokes.

I'm not joking.

You must forgive.

The Backwards Man

Elliott S wrote: »

Oh would you stop. Very easy to mention her too in the statement, even briefly.

There's nothing easy about having to write a statement where five people have died, no matter how it happened. I think people need to step back a wee bit here, I don't know everything, you don't know everything, nobody does, hijacking a tragedy for petty point scoring does no one any favours, not the dead, not the grieving, not you or me.

Annasopra

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Why do you think? The negatives voices in his head took over and led him over the abyss.

Theres no evidence for your assertion just an assumption on your part. Your assumption isnt clear at all.

Yellow pack crisps

rjpf1980 wrote: »

You were comparing him to a sadistic psychopathic murderer who raped and slaughtered two little girls.

Hawe as I see it is a victim of mental illness. A man who was not in his right mind.

There is an entirely different level of culpability.

He is a sadistic psychopath in my view. I am sorry if what i say offends you and if you think i am being harsh then so be it. They are my views. Millions of people have intolerable and horrific mental health issues that they seek help for but what they don't do is murder innocent people. A psychopath does though.

eviltwin

rjpf1980 wrote: »

He has been described as such by everyone who knew him. The sad passing of his family was a bolt from the blue and his act of madness was completely out of character. Clearly Hawe was driven to kill by mental illness. Any right thinking and compassionate human being would find it in their heart to forgive Hawe. Clearly the family do as they are burying the family together. May Hawe his wife and his three sons rest in peace.

The hate on this thread is quite sickening and disturbing to be honest.

Killing four people with a hatchet screams rage and anger to me.

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's nothing easy about having to write a statement where five people have died, no matter how it happened. I think people need to step back a wee bit here, I don't know everything, you don't know everything, nobody does, hijacking a tragedy for petty point scoring does no one any favours, not the dead, not the grieving, not you or me.

I don't think anyone is point scoring by noticing that one of the victims is completely omitted. The three children were pupils, and their mothers life was taken as well. She counted too, TBM.

Amanda.ie

eviltwin wrote: »

Killing four people with a hatchet screams rage and anger to me.

What makes a person who seems normal to everyone change in such a way? How can that happen?

rjpf1980

Yellow pack crisps wrote: »

He is a sadistic psychopath in my view. I am sorry if what i say offends you and if you think i am being harsh then so be it. They are my views. Millions of people have intolerable and horrific mental health issues that they seek help for but what they don't do is murder innocent people. A psychopath does though.

Clearly you don't know what a psychopath is.

Annasopra

Amanda.ie wrote: »

What makes a person who seems normal to everyone change in such a way? How can that happen?

Perhaps it wasnt really a change at all. None of the media reports look at life inside the house.

rjpf1980

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Perhaps it wasnt really a change at all.

Clearly there WAS a change.

Burial.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Why?

Because a sane person doesn't go murdering their family.

Jesus.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

This really isn't the place for jokes.

This is a serious question but..............why not? This is AH after all

Annasopra

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Clearly there WAS a change.

How do you know?

Amanda.ie

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Perhaps it wasnt really a change at all.

A person cannot just flip like that but reports are he had no mental issues, can someone hide that?

eviltwin

Amanda.ie wrote: »

What makes a person who seems normal to everyone change in such a way? How can that happen?

Who knows. I had a sibling commit a horrific crime a few years back and we who knew him best were as shocked as anyone that he had been engaged in such activity. Sometimes the face people present is the one they want you to see. They hide themselves behind a socially acceptable mask.

Yellow pack crisps

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Clearly you don't know what a psychopath is.

I will not mention the gory details of this case as it makes me retch. But that is psychotic behaviour and four peoples lives have been ended in a psychotic way regardless of what you and i think.

Electric Sheep

rjpf1980 wrote: »

He has been described as such by everyone who knew him.

No, he was described as such by a few people who agreed to speak to reporters. That is far from everyone who knew him. For all we know many others simply replied "no comment" to the reporters.

Zubeneschamali

rjpf1980 wrote: »

We all battle dark thoughts and voices in our heads telling us we are no good and telling us to give up.

Voices in your head are a symptom of psychosis. You should talk to someone.

Yellow pack crisps

Amanda.ie wrote: »

A person cannot just flip like that but reports are he had no mental issues, can someone hide that?

If history teaches us anything is that the most violent and dangerous people can blend into any form of life undetected until they are caught and then its shock and horror.

Jesus.

Jesus. wrote: »

This is a serious question but..............why not? This is AH after all

Few people think that a thread about the slaughter of three children and their mum would be a tasteful or appropriate place to break out the jokes. Even in AH.

The Backwards Man

Candie wrote: »

I don't think anyone is point scoring by noticing that one of the victims is completely omitted. The three children were pupils, and their mothers life was taken as well. She counted too, TBM.

I'm not comfortable with any lost lives being reduced to counts Candie tbh, be it by opportunistic journalists, I'll advised school statements, or idealistic boards posters.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just me

Annasopra

Amanda.ie wrote: »

A person cannot just flip like that but reports are he had no mental issues, can someone hide that?

Yes but has there been reports on the relationship in the house? Its almost like noone is considering that he could always have been violent and controlling inside the house because wasnt he the local gaa treasurer

rjpf1980

mansize wrote: »

Given your views on married women being property of man, I'm not surprised by your replies here

I was talking in that context about the origin of the taboo about nudity. Marriage prior to the 20th century concept of romantic love was a contract. This has no relation whatever to the Hawe case.

Spanish Eyes

Amanda.ie wrote: »

What makes a person who seems normal to everyone change in such a way? How can that happen?

Losing the control that they had for years. Partner indicates they are leaving or thinking of going.

Bang. Control has to be reasserted.

It happens a lot. Dangerous times when a partner is leaving. Control is slipping away.

Don't ask me ask google and Womens Aid.

rjpf1980

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

How do you know?

Five dead bodies.

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm not comfortable with any lost lives being reduced to counts Candie tbh, be it by opportunistic journalists, I'll advised school statements, or idealistic boards posters.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just me

I'm less comfortable with a victim not even being acknowledged while her murderer is praised. I don't think that makes me foolishly idealistic.

Amanda.ie

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes but has there been reports on the relationship in the house? Its almost like noone is considering that he could always have been violent and controlling inside the house because wasnt he the local gaa treasurer

From what I have read it all seemed like a perfect family, but it cant have been, can it?
Im sure it will all come out eventually.

Zubeneschamali

Amanda.ie wrote: »

A person cannot just flip like that but reports are he had no mental issues, can someone hide that?

From co-workers, the GAA committee and the local priest? Yes.

From his wife and children? No.

Zubeneschamali

Amanda.ie wrote: »

From what I have read it all seemed like a perfect family, but it cant have been, can it?

Exactly. Everyone who has come out and said they seemed like a perfect family is just proving that they know nothing about them.

Amanda.ie

Candie wrote: »

I'm less comfortable with a victim not even being acknowledged while her murderer is praised. I don't think that makes me foolishly idealistic.

I dont think he is been praised as such, people are shocked as he seemed to be the perfect husband and father. People seem to be totally at a loss as to why or how he could have done this.

Jesus.

Candie wrote: »

Few people think that a thread about the slaughter of three children and their mum would be a tasteful or appropriate place to break out the jokes. Even in AH.

It wasn't much of a joke. You're being too serious. Nobody here knew the individuals concerned and will have forgotten about them before too long.

mansize

Amanda.ie wrote: »

I dont think he is been praised as such, people are shocked as he seemed to be the perfect husband and father. People seem to be totally at a loss as to why or how he could have done this.

Perfect doesn't exist.

The Backwards Man

Candie wrote: »

I'm less comfortable with a victim not even being acknowledged while her murderer is praised. I don't think that makes me foolishly idealistic.

I assume you're referring to the school?

It's a bad statement made by a receptionist in a school under extreme duress. Speculation and assumption are the privilege of the unaffected.

Could you do better? I probably couldn't

Mary63

It was very inappropriate for his family member to talk about his handball skills.

It would have been better to say nothing at all rather than this.

The note is question was signed by the school principal,it was extraordinary that no mention was made of this mans wife especially as she was in the same profession as the school principal and must have attended lots of school functions to support her sons.

mansize

I don't know how being the local GAA treasurer makes a person Nice or otherwise.

It was all very wishy washy.