Eflow fines - Sheriff took car.

salomon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Freeman: for the record there is a wait list of about 16 weeks for free legal aid ......your car would be sold by then !!!! NOT good advice - research your stuff !

Speaking of doing your research, civil legal aid is not free. Also the waiting lists for each centre differs from 5 weeks at the lowest to 33 at the highest and the average waiting time is lower than 16 weeks.

salomon

salomon wrote: »

Speaking of doing your research, civil legal aid is not free. Also the waiting lists for each centre differs from 5 weeks at the lowest to 33 at the highest and the average waiting time is lower than 16 weeks.

Was assuming OP was in Dublin area , wait times are well over 3 months ....I'm simply trying to say it's not the option for emergency cases like goods or car repossessions that are happening now . The car will be gone by the time OP gets appointment . It's not about being right or wrong , it's about trying to help with relevant advice .

I did not make the original post about "free legal aid" . Also I did not coin the phrase "free legal aid". Anyway I think it's assessed on how much you can afford to pay.

Once again people here are trying to advise on best options and if this OP is in financial difficulty then it might have been an option if time wasn't against her .

I am not here to be pedantic and analyse whether free legal aid is free or not . It's a system that was set up to help people who cannot afford full legal fees . End of .

GM228

Kings Inns or bust wrote: »

No you go to prison in default, usually for about 3 hours. If you ask nicely you'll get a cuppa.

Sheriff = Civil Recovery (No criminal record)
Non payment of fine = prison in default.

Note a fine is a criminal sanction and will result in a criminal record.

Non payment of a court fine is not prison next.

Recovery orders, attachment orders or community service may come next, but certainly not prison.

A sherif can also recover unpaid court imposed criminal conviction fines, not just civil debts, it's just not common though probably due to the usual low amount of the majority of fines.

salomon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I did not make the original post about "free legal aid" . Also I did not coin the phrase "free legal aid". Anyway I think it's assessed on how much you can afford to pay.

Once again people here are trying to advise on best options and if this OP is in financial difficulty then it might have been an option if time wasn't against her .

I am not here to be pedantic and analyse whether free legal aid is free or not . It's a system that was set up to help people who cannot afford full legal fees . End of .

I'm well aware what LAB was set up for. Long story short the friend wouldn't get a legal aid cert as it wouldn't satisfy the merits test for legal aid. Also, irrespective of waiting lists, there is a priority system for cases if there's a pressing need. But for avoidance of doubt legal aid board wouldn't have been an option in this case except for legal advice before the case came to court

XPS_Zero

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

The first line of the OP's post was "I'm just looking to get some helpful advice"

Everyone saying they've no sympathy, deserved what she got etc is NOT helpful, nor is it advice

Hahaha! You think most people come here to help others or exchange info? Some do, but mostly, like most forums people are here to take offense, argue with things people didn't say, but most of all..

To Stand up on a giant pedestal and JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE oh how we love casting moral judgement and thinking about situations with our emotions not our logic.

We may have moved on from judging gays and blacks (though we still love to stereotype them) but we still love to judge, and make no mistake people turn on homophobic comments now not because they think it's morally wrong as such it's just that that's become the new socially dominant viewpoint and THATS why people turn on them, the herd instinct has flipped. It used to be fun to judge the gays but that's too unpopular now so let's dance all over the homophobes, not cos their views are wrong but because we need to judge and it's fun to be part of the herd dancing all over the "other", the "other" changes, the dance stays the same.

You could see a classic example of this in that Trinity Back to Education case, letting her through long term saves the state money and doesn't give her any extra than what she'd already have on the dole.
But remarkably people casted judgement about her situation without understanding even the basics of how the BTE system works, again not using logic but emotion, focusing on how many kids she has and declaring she's getting something extra others were not (not letting facts get in the way, forgetting we can all get tuition free college and grant money to help reduce your work hours so you can study it's just a diff system you apply through and use as a mature student or former welfare recipient)

Now in the above situation the emotional judging and logic happen to coincide (if you don't take note of how many times you use a service, then ignore 12 letters, late warnings and a court summons you can't seriously be surprised when CONSEQUENCES happen), but that's incidental to the fun of beating up on someone.

As you can see most of the reaction is of moral condemnation not the number of warnings she had and even the very valid point some made at this being a grossly disproportionate punishment gets drowned out by the emotional judgement.

Oh how the Irish love to judge and always have and it's all emotional. A recent radio discussion on 98fm about unemployment asking the remarkably dumbed down oversimplified question "if you're still unemployed are you just lazy" and once more an emotional orgy with no rational thinking was involved because that might get in the way of the judgement.

Because the point in these discussions for many (not all) is not a genuine understanding of the topic but the emotional orgasam they get by revealing in how someone else is morally inferior to them.
They ABSURDLY asked why Jonno from Tallaght can't get a job that Hakim from India can get....gee might it be that Hakim is highly skilled with a doctorate or postgrad and Jono doesn't have the same same skills? Nah that's no fun, calling Jono a "lazy bollix who needs to pull the finger out" and "apply for jobs in McDonald's" (which, daytime radio suggests, will hire anyone who shows up, and are never full), that's much more fun.

thesandeman

Well, that escalated quickly :O

Orion

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'd say she had no idea of the implications of not paying the fines, and that is the problem.

And to be fair, I would say that is the case of most people who end up in this situation.

Ignorantia juris non excusat - Ignorance of the law is no defence.

She need to engage with the Sheriff. They may accept a payment plan but she will have to come to a deal or arrangement with them.

BuffyBot

...and we're done