UFC Belfast 19th Nov

JustTheOne

TimRiggins wrote: »

It'll be a sad sad state of affairs if the crowd get behind Hall because of what Mousasi said. I don't think they will though anyway.

Hall also trained in SBG Dublin for a while.

DrPhilG

JustTheOne wrote: »

Hall also trained in SBG Dublin for a while.

Uriah Hall?

You sure you're not thinking of Ryan Hall?

JordanR

Does anyone know the start time of the event? Cant get off work early and should arrive at the SSE for just after 7, wondering if ill miss much of the event. Thanks

John_D80

JordanR wrote: »

Does anyone know the start time of the event? Cant get off work early and should arrive at the SSE for just after 7, wondering if ill miss much of the event. Thanks

Did you think I was lying when I answered this question for you previously??

JustTheOne

DrPhilG wrote: »

Uriah Hall?

You sure you're not thinking of Ryan Hall?

I was!

Deadst4r

TimRiggins wrote: »

fermanagh_man wrote: »

Mousasi did speak about this fight on the MMA hour this week

Mousasi also talked about some DM's him and Conor exchanged on twitter so it will be interesting to see if anything builds from that, Hall could very well be the fighter the crowd gets behind which would be very strange for a European card where they are behind the American and not the European

It'll be a sad sad state of affairs if the crowd get behind Hall because of what Mousasi said. I don't think they will though anyway.

Why would it be sad?

TimRiggins

Deadst4r wrote: »

Why would it be sad?

Rooting against a pioneer of European MMA because he talked **** about McGregor after McGregor allegedly DMed him abuse? Come on.

Deadst4r

TimRiggins wrote: »

Deadst4r wrote: »

Why would it be sad?

Rooting against a pioneer of European MMA because he talked **** about McGregor after McGregor allegedly DMed him abuse? Come on.

Wrong way around, he talked ****, then mcgregor *allegedly* DM'd him.

Its only booing. It's entertainment. If you act the heel, them expect a reaction.

I enjoy the new Mousasi, glad he's finally speaking up. But I won't be surprised if he gets boo'd at a ufc event in Ireland after slagging the biggest ufc star in Ireland.

Dan Henderson got booed by the English and he is a legend, American yes but a legend. It's just entertainment.

Paully D

What the **** are the UFC thinking of with that main card while leaving the Seery fight and the Horiguchi fight on the prelims?

They have the fights available to make it one of the better European main cards but what they have done is utterly ridiculous.

TimRiggins

Deadst4r wrote: »

Wrong way around, he talked ****, then mcgregor *allegedly* DM'd him.

Its only booing. It's entertainment. If you act the heel, them expect a reaction.

I enjoy the new Mousasi, glad he's finally speaking up. But I won't be surprised if he gets boo'd at a ufc event in Ireland after slagging the biggest ufc star in Ireland.

Dan Henderson got booed by the English and he is a legend, American yes but a legend. It's just entertainment.

Dan Henderson was fighting the hometown fighter. Mousasi took a fight he has nothing to gain from to save an event in the country. McGregor talks sh!t about nearly every fighter on the roster. I doubt the arena will be rooting for Hall anyway so its all hypothetical

Killergreene

Paully D wrote: »

What the **** are the UFC thinking of with that main card while leaving the Seery fight and the Horiguchi fight on the prelims?

They have the fights available to make it one of the better European main cards but what they have done is utterly ridiculous.

I don't the main card is fully formalised yet. There's been no confirmation as to what the co main is.

Deadst4r

Paully D wrote: »

What the **** are the UFC thinking of with that main card while leaving the Seery fight and the Horiguchi fight on the prelims?

They have the fights available to make it one of the better European main cards but what they have done is utterly ridiculous.

Where did you see the bout order? The official website can't be trusted. It keeps changing.

Paully D

TimRiggins wrote: »

Dan Henderson was fighting the hometown fighter. Mousasi took a fight he has nothing to gain from to save an event in the country. McGregor talks sh!t about nearly every fighter on the roster. I doubt the arena will be rooting for Hall anyway so its all hypothetical

Mousasi called out Hall and Silva only last week. He won't care that he's supposedly "saving" an event. He doesn't deserve any special treatment for stepping in here. It's a fight he wants back and the opportunity has presented itself. It's also another payday shortly after making over $100k at UFC 200 and the same at UFC 204.

TimRiggins

Paully D wrote: »

Mousasi called out Hall and Silva only last week. He won't care that he's supposedly "saving" an event. He doesn't deserve any special treatment for stepping in here. It's a fight he wants back and the opportunity has presented itself.

He also called out every middleweight on the roster.

Look, I'm not saying he deserves special treatment, I'm just saying that to root for Hall to beat him because of the comments about McGregor are fickle.

John_D80

Paully D wrote: »

What the **** are the UFC thinking of with that main card while leaving the Seery fight and the Horiguchi fight on the prelims?

They have the fights available to make it one of the better European main cards but what they have done is utterly ridiculous.

Only just saw the running order after I read this post. Crazy. Talk about misjudging your audience. Even outside of Ireland/UK, Seery vs McCaul should be co-main on this card.

dardoz

I'm pretty pissed about this tbh. Bought 2x £175 tickets as we are both Nelson fans. It was the only fight on the card that enticed me to spend that much. I even got the ufc fighters club membership to get early early access for another 90 Euro. It was worth it as I got 3rd row from the front, but now that Gunnar is off the card, with the hotel stay as well, it feels like I just threw away about 800 Euro.

As a pretty casual fan for the past 10 years, the card feels weak now with hardly any irish interest.

Bummed!

Paully D

dardoz wrote: »

I'm pretty pissed about this tbh. Bought 2x £175 tickets as we are both Nelson fans. It was the only fight on the card that enticed me to spend that much. I even got the ufc fighters club membership to get early early access for another 90 Euro. It was worth it as I got 3rd row from the front, but now that Gunnar is off the card, with the hotel stay as well, it feels like I just threw away about 800 Euro.

As a pretty casual fan for the past 10 years, the card feels weak now with hardly any irish interest.

Bummed!

Might not be much use to you now that you've paid for hotels etc (hopefully you will have got one that allows cancellation), but I believe you can get ticket refunds if a main event changes.

Gamebred

Dont most hotels only charge when you check in anyways? sell your tickets and dont go simple as that vote with your feet.

TimRiggins

If I was in the country I'd go just to see Neil Seery's last fight tbh.

John_D80

dardoz wrote: »

I'm pretty pissed about this tbh. Bought 2x £175 tickets as we are both Nelson fans. It was the only fight on the card that enticed me to spend that much. I even got the ufc fighters club membership to get early early access for another 90 Euro. It was worth it as I got 3rd row from the front, but now that Gunnar is off the card, with the hotel stay as well, it feels like I just threw away about 800 Euro.

As a pretty casual fan for the past 10 years, the card feels weak now with hardly any irish interest.

Bummed!

I totally get where you are coming from. Huge Gunni fan here as well and I was expecting this to be a milestone victory for him.

But for most 'neutrals' Mousasi/Hall is probably an upgrade in main event, if we're honest.

John_D80

TimRiggins wrote: »

If I was in the country I'd go just to see Neil Seery's last fight tbh.

It's the fight I'm most looking forward to without a doubt. The 'people's main event' surely.

I'm not so annoyed about Gunni being pulled as long as this fight goes ahead. Looking forward to Ross Pearson as well. Long time favourite of mine.

dardoz

Paully D wrote: »

Might not be much use to you now that you've paid for hotels etc (hopefully you will have got one that allows cancellation), but I believe you can get ticket refunds if a main event changes.

Any idea how?

Paully D

dardoz wrote: »

Any idea how?

Just have to contact your point of purchase (Ticketmaster). I'm 99% sure you can get a refund if the advertised main event changes.

TimRiggins

dardoz wrote: »

Any idea how?

If you are a casual fan i'd still go man. Seery's last ever fight, Horugucci is great to watch, Kevin Lee/Magamodev is a great fight (Magamodev is a beast), Ross Pearson is always good to watch and Mousasi/Hall is a good fight. Still plenty to see.

dardoz

TimRiggins wrote: »

If you are a casual fan i'd still go man. Seery's last ever fight, Horugucci is great to watch, Kevin Lee/Magamodev is a great fight (Magamodev is a beast), Ross Pearson is always good to watch and Mousasi/Hall is a good fight. Still plenty to see.

I'm more of a fan of specific fighters, rather than a fan of fighting if that makes sense. I don't usually watch full cards, just the fighters I like. Unfortunately this card had only 1 fighter I really wanted to see live.

Killergreene

dardoz wrote: »

I'm more of a fan of specific fighters, rather than a fan of fighting if that makes sense. I don't usually watch full cards, just the fighters I like. Unfortunately this card had only 1 fighter I really wanted to see live.

strange. gunnar is a bit of a dud tbh, he's just a top 15 gatekeeper. mousasi could be MW champion in the next six months. I'll give you 50 euro each per ticket if u are looking to flog and have trouble getting sorted with TM.

Killergreene

Killergreene wrote: »

strange. gunnar is a bit of a dud tbh, he's just a top 15 gatekeeper. mousasi could be MW champion in the next six months. I'll give you 50 euro each per ticket if u are looking to flog and have trouble getting sorted with TM.

Is this gunnar NELSON we're talking about? 15-2, never been finished, 14 of 15 wins by finish, a genius on the ground, legendary personality and you think he's a dud? Personally i'd rather burn my tickets than give them to someone that thinks that.

dardoz

Killergreene wrote: »

strange. gunnar is a bit of a dud tbh, he's just a top 15 gatekeeper. mousasi could be MW champion in the next six months. I'll give you 50 euro each per ticket if u are looking to flog and have trouble getting sorted with TM.

Haha, you're having a laugh. Tickets that cost me over 200 Euro each for 50? I'd sooner give them away

Wrongway1985

dardoz wrote: »

I'm more of a fan of specific fighters, rather than a fan of fighting if that makes sense. I don't usually watch full cards, just the fighters I like. Unfortunately this card had only 1 fighter I really wanted to see live.

How do you become a fan of specific fighters if you tune in so sporadically?

John_D80

dardoz wrote: »

Haha, you're having a laugh. Tickets that cost me over 200 Euro each for 50? I'd sooner give them away

One of his other alter-ego's might make you a better offer.

John_D80

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

How do you become a fan of specific fighters if you tune in so sporadically?

In fairness, the majority of Irish MMA ''fans'' are fans of a specific fighter (one in particular) and have little interest in the sport as a whole.

Wrongway1985

John_D80 wrote: »

In fairness, the majority of Irish MMA ''fans'' are fans of a specific fighter (one in particular) and have little interest in the sport as a whole.

True silly question I hope people these "fans" about aren't suddenly part of the Uriah Hall fan club though

Killergreene

John_D80 wrote: »

One of his other alter-ego's might make you a better offer.

what are you implying John ?
Report the post if you have an issue with something I said.

wonderfullife

TimRiggins wrote: »

The decision to put Charlie Ward on in Albany and not here baffles me to be honest.

I'm just guessing here but i imagine the UFC were keen to avoid negative publicity.

If Charlie Ward debuted on the Belfast card, i'd imagine the Carvahlo death would be splashed all over the papers again and a lot of tough questions coming Ward's way.

If they hide him away on a Micky Mouse card in Albany, they won't really get that negative blowback.

I'll go out on a limb here and guess he signed a 3-fight deal. I saw that reported somewhere. If that's true, i think they'll do everything possible to keep him on Fight Night Cards in North America. Keep everything low-key with him.

I've a suspicion they wouldn't touch any other fighter with a bargepole with a 2-1 record and having been involved in a fatality-fight. The suspicion must be Ward was signed as part of Conor's UFC 205 contract negotiation demands.

I expect a similar situation to unravel for McGregors next fight too. It'll be the usual stuff - "i want $4 million basic, PPV points and Peter Queally/Richie Smullen/Luka Jelcic signed on a 3-fight deal".

As long as he keeps winning, he has the exact leverage to demand these signings. It's no skin off the UFC's nose to give Ward or any of these SBG lads a 3-fight deal on a $12,000/$12,000 show/win deal.

dardoz

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

How do you become a fan of specific fighters if you tune in so sporadically?

I watch all fight of the nights, highlights etc for the past few years and read, read a lot, watch mma hour, other YouTube shows like luke Thomas, the usual stuff. I gorge on fighters I hear stuff I like the sound of about them. I don't watch full cards cos there are certain fighting styles put me to sleep... Mainly wrestling or mindless arm swinging that's supposed to be boxing.

It's quite ironic because one of the first guys I was a fan of was GSP, a style I wouldn't watch much now

Killergreene

dardoz wrote: »

Haha, you're having a laugh. Tickets that cost me over 200 Euro each for 50? I'd sooner give them away

Only offering to help if you get landed with them.

Doesn't make financial sense to just give them away but that's your prerogative. A fool and his money.

Wrongway1985

Killergreene wrote: »

A fool and his money.

...are soon partying

SeanieMon

What's the story with Joe Duffy? Could they not just get him a decent opponent and pay him a decent fee or is he just sick of the UFC by now? Too good a fighter to be left in limbo, always brings it and puts on a show.

Deadst4r

SeanieMon wrote: »

What's the story with Joe Duffy? Could they not just get him a decent opponent and pay him a decent fee or is he just sick of the UFC by now? Too good a fighter to be left in limbo, always brings it and puts on a show.

Honestly, it's not often I take the ufc side.

But Joe is contacted for another fight.

Why not make it Belfast? Even if it's an opponent he's not happy with.

The ufc are in control. He will have to eventually accept whoever they suggest.

Better it's in Belfast than a random card in Canada. If he wants to join a different organization, he still has to fight one more time in ufc and they hold the cards

TimRiggins

Deadst4r wrote: »

Honestly, it's not often I take the ufc side.

But Joe is contacted for another fight.

Why not make it Belfast? Even if it's an opponent he's not happy with.

The ufc are in control. He will have to eventually accept whoever they suggest.

Better it's in Belfast than a random card in Canada. If he wants to join a different organization, he still has to fight one more time in ufc and they hold the cards

Hey for those of us in Canada we'd love Joe on a random card :P

califano

Gunnar Nelson injured out of UFC Belfast. Mousasi vs Hall 2 instead.

Swashbuckler

califano wrote:

Gunnar Nelson injured out of UFC Belfast. Mousasi vs Hall 2 instead.

Wasn't that announced a week ago?

DrPhilG

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Wasn't that announced a week ago?

Lol, yup.

The other thing announced which has gone fairly unnoticed is that Neil Seery vs Ian McCaul is on the prelims.

Fair enough I'm biased as Seery is the home hero but that's an epic fight no matter how you look at it. Plus Seery is the only Irishman and he's making his final appearance before retiring.

Crazy that he's not on the main card.

Swashbuckler

DrPhilG wrote:

Crazy that he's not on the main card.

Is it the featured prelim? Seems strange alright. Although there is no featured prelims on non ppv's is there?

Paully D

It's insanity IMO that the main card isn't:

Mousasi v Hall
Seery v McCall
Horiguchi v Bagautinov
Pearson v Krause

Even flip the Seery and Horiguchi bouts.

That main card could live with any Fight Night European card that has been put on.

Instead it's like they've tried to make the worst possible main card from the available bouts.

Whelo79

Paully D wrote: »

It's insanity IMO that the main card isn't:

Mousasi v Hall
Seery v McCall
Horiguchi v Bagautinov
Pearson v Krause

Even flip the Seery and Horiguchi bouts.

That main card could live with any Fight Night European card that has been put on.

Instead it's like they've tried to make the worst possible main card from the available bouts.

They want to try and get people in the doors early rather than everyone waltzing in 5 or 6 fights into the entire night.

amorgan

i suppose they're just giving seery the headline fight of the prelims rather than a curtain opener of the main card? strange though.

anyone know if we're still getting the reneau v dudieva and cummings v yakovlev fights? they're not listed on the ufc event page any more, despite being on each individual fighter's upcoming bouts. it's only got 6 prelims whereas there were 8 originally. maybe those 2 are just gonna be fightpass exclusive?

DrPhilG

amorgan wrote: »

i suppose they're just giving seery the headline fight of the prelims rather than a curtain opener of the main card? strange though.

This is a FightPass event though, so for fans in the US it won't make a difference. But if BT only get the main card then Irish fans won't get a chance to see Seery's last bout unless they subscribe.

Which is probably the reason for the placement come to think of it...

but1er

I think the idea is

Serry headlining fight pass more people sign up + the arena will be full because of this

Gamebred

Another one bites the dust Krause out of his fight with Ross Pearson

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMB27hEAZbI/


Probably enough time to find a replacement hopefully it bumps Seery to the main card.