Homelessness on the rise

Mooooo

whisky_galore wrote: »

Irish winters are hardly extreme weather events, in global terms.

Not really but the constant wet could be an issue. While many places get worse weather a lot of them are drier, even winters with snow drier so to speak. Be interesting to see how they'd do alrite tho

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I'll concentrate on Dublin as an example,the Local Authority is one of the owners of some of the largest land banks in the county. They even have fully serviced sites sitting idle. Allow an extra 20 grand per unit for getting a site ready and it still comes up about 200k cheaper than building a similar size house in the capital.
Could these houses be classed as 'mobile homes' as they could be dismantled and moved if necessary?

It’s already being done. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-families-to-be-housed-permanently-in-modular-housing-1.3082859

whisky_galore

'Bed sharing' ads are a thing now.

It's like something from 100 years ago.

Cantona's Collars

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s already being done. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-families-to-be-housed-permanently-in-modular-housing-1.3082859

They took longer than expected to build and over ran the budget per unit. Typical of this country where they couldn't even get a cheaper solution done on time and cheaper.
At this stage they'd nearly be better off supplying mobile homes on a site for people. A bit of a trailer park situation but at least people are off the streets or out of unsuitable hotel rooms or hostels. I know plenty who lived in one while building their homes.

Slydice

The October figures have been released:
http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homelessness_report_-_october_2017.pdf

Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes

or:

The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.

Coverage of this report:
'Extremely worrying': A record high of 184 people are now sleeping rough in Dublin
New figures for October also show an increase in homeless families and single people.
https://www.thejournal.ie/184-sleeping-rough-3710640-Nov2017/

Dublin experienced its highest ever number of rough sleepers in one night this month
http://irishpost.co.uk/dublin-experienced-highest-ever-number-rough-sleepers-in-one-night-this-month/

DUBLIN has set a grim new record after almost two-hundred people were recorded sleeping rough in the Irish capital earlier this month.

184 people recorded sleeping rough in Dublin on 7 November
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/1122/922001-rough-sleeper/

The highest number of rough sleepers in Dublin was recorded on 7 November, with 184 people found on the streets that night.
This compares with the previous highest figure of 168 recorded in the winter of 2014.
It also shows a steady increase from 161 in the spring count and 142 last winter.

The Simon Communities in Ireland said it is deeply disturbing that the number of people in emergency accommodation is continuing to increase.

"As people move out of emergency accommodation, more people come in to take their place. This has to be traced back to the failure of the private sector to provide for housing needs, in the absence of sufficient social and affordable housing," said spokesperson Niamh Randall.

"Prevention is critical, we need to keep people in the homes they have to stem the tide of men, women and children into homelessness".

Focus Ireand has warned that the figures clearly show that the homeless crisis is continuing to deepen with less than five weeks to Christmas.

Rough sleepers numbers rocket
https://www.fm104.ie/news/rough-sleepers-numbers-rocket/

184 people were sleeping rough on the night of the seventh of November.
That's the highest number recorded.

Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
thejournal.ie had an article on homelessness numbers which included this chart with data going back to 2008:


RTÉ Investigates programme 'Nightmare to Let' included the supply shortage of rental accomodation:
https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/rte-investigates-30003696/10798063/

Lack of housing supply main issue to solving homelessness - committee chair
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1116/920488-homelessness/

The chair of the Oireachtas Housing Committee has said that the main problem to solving homelessness is the lack of a supply of housing

Cost of housing in Dublin up 87% since bottom of market
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/cost-of-housing-in-dublin-up-87-since-bottom-of-market-1.3284092

Diarmuid Kelly, chief executive of Brokers Ireland, which represents 1,300 broker firms, described “the deteriorating situation” as “very worrying”.

“We’re now very close to a decade on from the financial crisis. Thousands upon thousands of people who would normally have planned to buy a home in the intervening period have not been able to achieve that aspiration,” he said.

Mr Kelly said the State had prioritised the effects of the housing shortage rather than the cause – a lack of supply of new homes.

Tweets:
https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/933335658990587905

https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/933306110207037440

Slydice

The MyNameIs campaign highlighted the number of children in an event beside St Stephens Green shopping centre today:

https://twitter.com/MyNameCampaign/status/933669723228790784

covered by thejournal:
https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/933727776137412608

pilly

Great idea.

whisky_galore

Two people died on the streets this week.

Our Minister for Homelessness offered his sympathies.

Klonker

These people are choosing to sleep on the street, it says that not all beds in the homeless shelters were used the last few nights on some newspaper reports, what more can you do to help these people other than drag them inside.

The charity asking for all the homeless people to be giving houses is ridiculous, as if most of them would be able to maintain them. Offer them beds in homeless shelters and if they don't take them there's nothing more we can do for them.

pilly

Klonker wrote: »

These people are choosing to sleep on the street, it says that not all beds in the homeless shelters were used the last few nights on some newspaper reports, what more can you do to help these people other than drag them inside.

The charity asking for all the homeless people to be giving houses is ridiculous, as if most of them would be able to maintain them. Offer them beds in homeless shelters and if they don't take them there's nothing more we can do for them.

There is plenty you can do for them. The amount of rehab beds we have in this country is disgusting. And those we do have that are not in private centres are run by charities, not by the government.

Interested Observer

pilly wrote: »

There is plenty you can do for them. The amount of rehab beds we have in this country is disgusting. And those we do have that are not in private centres are run by charities, not by the government.

I would imagine these charities receive a significant portion/most of their funding from the Govt.

pilly

Interested Observer wrote: »

I would imagine these charities receive a significant portion/most of their funding from the Govt.

You'd imagine wrong.

Interested Observer

pilly wrote: »

You'd imagine wrong.

Oh yeah?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-charity-sector-is-being-drained-by-duplication-1.2717375

Agencies are funded mainly by the State

n 2014, Dublin Simon’s total income was €12,519,761. It received €6,194,218 from the State

Dublin Simon, the Peter McVerry Trust, Depaul Ireland and Focus Ireland received a total of €33.6 million in grants from State agencies in 2014

The Peter McVerry Trust had a total income of €10,656,737 in 2014, of which €6,842,691 came from the State

Focus Ireland had an average of 328 employees in 2014 at a cost of €13.82 million, including pensions and social insurance costs. In 2014, State agencies granted it €11.38 million.

MrMorooka

Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this graph from Dublin Inquirer show that the single biggest item of spending for DCC right now is grants to homeless charities and bodies? I think that's interesting.

pilly

Interested Observer wrote: »

Oh yeah?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-charity-sector-is-being-drained-by-duplication-1.2717375

Are you even reading my posts? I was talking about rehabilitation so you've just gone off now and gotten all your little links for nothing.

pilly

MrMorooka wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this graph from Dublin Inquirer show that the single biggest item of spending for DCC right now is grants to homeless charities and bodies? I think that's interesting.

Indeed it is interesting. They're basically sub-contracting the work out.

Interested Observer

pilly wrote: »

Are you even reading my posts? I was talking about rehabilitation so you've just gone off now and gotten all your little links for nothing.

So which charities that apparently don't receive Govt funding are providing the beds?

Try to be civil btw.

Carlos Orange

MrMorooka wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this graph from Dublin Inquirer show that the single biggest item of spending for DCC right now is grants to homeless charities and bodies? I think that's interesting.

Is that about 20 thousand euro per homeless person?

Eric Cartman

MrMorooka wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this graph from Dublin Inquirer show that the single biggest item of spending for DCC right now is grants to homeless charities and bodies? I think that's interesting.

its an industry, the amount of money that actually makes it to the homeless is tiny, meanwhile well paid people run charities and get volunteers to appear on tv to make you think that its a company that cares.

Heart Break Kid

whisky_galore wrote: »

Two people died on the streets this week.

Our Minister for Homelessness offered his sympathies.

How the die? Was it from tbe cold, starvation? Or was it from substance abuse? Yes it does matter.

Heart Break Kid

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

How the die? Was it from tbe cold, starvation? Or was it from substance abuse? Yes it does matter.

They died while there were beds available. I’m sure that’s the Governments fault.

Eric Cartman

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

How the die? Was it from tbe cold, starvation? Or was it from substance abuse? Yes it does matter.

Isn't it really sad that these organisations take advantage of somebody overdosing to further their donation grabbing agendas when it has nothing to do with homelessness

Deleted User wrote: »

They died while there were beds available. I’m sure that’s the Governments fault.

Theres always loads of dry beds available. Dublin has an addiction problem, not a homeless(rough sleepers) problem. Handing rough sleepers soup or using them as a pawn to get donations is one thing, but what they really need is a supervised detox centre far away from other people and a drug supply.

Heart Break Kid

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

How the die? Was it from tbe cold, starvation? Or was it from substance abuse? Yes it does matter.

Unfortunately it looks likely. http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fr-peter-mcverry-homelessness-is-now-beyond-a-crisis-taoiseach-must-declare-national-emergency-816395.html May he Rest In Peace.

GGTrek

Deleted User wrote: »

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

How the die? Was it from tbe cold, starvation? Or was it from substance abuse? Yes it does matter.

Unfortunately it looks likely. http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fr-peter-mcverry-homelessness-is-now-beyond-a-crisis-taoiseach-must-declare-national-emergency-816395.html May he Rest In Peace.

Fr Peter MC Verry is the last person I would listen to: he is using homelessness to push his communist agenda together with the psycho trotskysts of AAA and PBP. I despise him and his allies profoundly. If the Irish govvie was not so spineless they could perform their social function in house and in so doing avoid outsourcing the homeless detox support to marxist charities which are using the big amounts of PUBLIC money received to push their communist political agenda.

whisky_galore

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

How the die? Was it from tbe cold, starvation? Or was it from substance abuse? Yes it does matter.

Oh, right. No homelessness crisis so.

Must have been a bad dream...all those people in doorways must be a figment of my imagination.

whisky_galore

whisky_galore wrote: »

Oh, right. No homelessness crisis so.

Must have been a bad dream...all those people in doorways must be a figment of my imagination.

While beds provided lie empty because of some condition that they objected to.

pilly

Interested Observer wrote: »

So which charities that apparently don't receive Govt funding are providing the beds?

Try to be civil btw.

Cuann Mhuire is one I can think off.

Interested Observer

pilly wrote: »

Cuann Mhuire is one I can think off.

https://benefacts.ie/org/1b6e0dfb-0c57-4484-b578-faa740f0f75f

Over €4m in state funding last year. Why did you think they don't receive any state funding?

alastair

Deleted User wrote: »

While beds provided lie empty because of some condition that they objected to.

'Some condition' often being personal safety concerns. Just because there are beds available on a given night, doesn't mean that they're in a safe place.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0118/761135-homeless/

Carlos Orange

pilly wrote: »

Cuann Mhuire is one I can think off.

https://cuanmhuire.ie/get-involved/