Homelessness on the rise

colm_mcm

splinter65 wrote: »

They’ve decided to live in a tent. How is that sad?!

In Dundrum too.

GGTrek

Just to further debase the OP "statistics", below he/she will find a a prime example of people who are included in the statistics the OP is quoting and this particular example is costing the Irish taxpayer an absolute fortune in legal fees and housing expenses:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/family-who-turned-down-four-bed-house-loses-legal-challenge-1.3336683
I shall follow the OP style and quote the article most relevant parts:

The High Court has dismissed a woman and her five children’s challenge against Galway County Council’s refusal to provide them with continued emergency accommodation after they turned down an offer of a four-bedroom house.

The claims were dismissed by Ms Justice Miriam O’Regan who found that the local authority did not breach the family’s Constitutional rights or their rights under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) when it decided to stop providing them with emergency accommodation.

The court heard emergency accommodation was ended last summer after the family, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, refused the council’s transitional offer of a four bedroom house.

In her judgment Ms Justice O’Regan said that in all the circumstances the decision to withdraw emergency accommodation had not breached the family’s rights.

Noting the offer of the four-bedroom house, the judge said there was a failure to establish the council’s decision was irrational or unlawful, the judge added.

In addition the council was entitled to make the deferral. The judge said the council had taken into account the family’s vulnerability.

However, the judge said the mother had failed to provide the council with information when making an application for housing.

The mother, who has 89 convictions for minor offences, told the council in 2010 and 2011 that she did not have a conviction for disorderly conduct in a public place in the previous five years, when she did have such a conviction during that period.

splinter65

GGTrek wrote: »

Just to further debase the OP "statistics", below he/she will find a a prime example of people who are included in the statistics the OP is quoting and this particular example is costing the Irish taxpayer an absolute fortune in legal fees and housing expenses:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/family-who-turned-down-four-bed-house-loses-legal-challenge-1.3336683
I shall follow the OP style and quote the article most relevant parts:

If anyone here can put forward an argument for this woman I’d like to hear it.
If someone doesn’t put a stop to this lunacy soon we’ll have to get the Troika back in.

Bubbaclaus

PeterCasey wrote: »

Very sad to day in Dundrum Dublin with all the fuss of Christmas shopping etc ,I see a young couple getting into a tent they had as there home what a pity things are gone this bad Ireland the home of a thousand welcomes get a grip.

They've decided to live in a tent. If that's what they want to do then good for them.

cursai

PeterCasey wrote: »

Very sad to day in Dundrum Dublin with all the fuss of Christmas shopping etc ,I see a young couple getting into a tent they had as there home what a pity things are gone this bad Ireland the home of a thousand welcomes get a grip.

That's very judgmental. Nothing wrong with tents. Wombles lived in them for years. New age Wombles crisis is what we have.

DancingHomer

PeterCasey wrote: »

Very sad to day in Dundrum Dublin with all the fuss of Christmas shopping etc ,I see a young couple getting into a tent they had as there home what a pity things are gone this bad Ireland the home of a thousand welcomes get a grip.

I'm sure you immediately dropped your House of Fraser shopping bags and went over to empty the contents of your wallet over the poor unfortunates.

More than likely you just did nothing and then came on here to take a swipe at Society and its lack of compassion.

PeterCasey

DancingHomer wrote: »

I'm sure you immediately dropped your House of Fraser shopping bags and went over to empty the contents of your wallet over the poor unfortunates.

More than likely you just did nothing and then came on here to take a swipe at Society and its lack of compassion.

Had I a house of Fraser shopping bag no I had not did I empty the contents of my wallet on the poor unfortunates I don't poses such a thing as a wallet. Happy new year keep in touch with yourself.

hawkelady

It took you over a week to come back with that answer !! Whoooosssh .....

PeterCasey

DancingHomer wrote: »

I'm sure you immediately dropped your House of Fraser shopping bags and went over to empty the contents of your wallet over the poor unfortunates.

More than likely you just did nothing and then came on here to take a swipe at Society and its lack of compassion.

What would you do actually we had a whip around for them on the site we were working on in Dundrum gave them the money when we broke up for the Christmas holidays people on the site were very generous more than people on here seem to be.

There is a very interesting thread. It’s about renting longer term from AirBnB. Could this be one of the reasons housing is in short supply since the rise of AirBnB?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=105669907#post105669907

zell12

You need planning in order to rent an entire house for tourists/hostel/B&B
However local authorities are simply not enforcing the planning regulations despite all the information being there.

The_Conductor

zell12 wrote: »

You need planning in order to rent an entire house for tourists/hostel/B&B
However local authorities are simply not enforcing the planning regulations despite all the information being there.

Two Dublin local authorities are sporadically applying legislation demanding a planning application for change of use from owners playing this game. No other local authorities are applying it- and indeed, if you ask, will politely request you point out precisely where this requirement is spelt out (as opposed to forwarding them media details of the cases from Temple Bar, Smithfield (DCC) or Lucan (SDCC)).

Its ripe for guidance from the Department- however, to be brutally honest- its not the issue that the media are making it out to be. According to informal conversations with the DoF- Airbnb suggest almost 3/4 of Irish lettings are people's PPR and typically are for a few days here, a few days there- and are as likely to involve a property swap with a host in another country/city- as a cash transaction. Airbnb are obliged to notify Revenue of all transactions involving Irish properties- regardless of the domicile of the owner.

zell12

The_Conductor wrote: »

Two Dublin local authorities are sporadically applying legislation demanding a planning application for change of use from owners playing this game. No other local authorities are applying it- and indeed, if you ask, will politely request you point out precisely where this requirement is spelt out (as opposed to forwarding them media details of the cases from Temple Bar, Smithfield (DCC) or Lucan (SDCC)).............

2870 (55%) of Airbnbs in Dublin are entire homes
That is 2870 homes removed from the rental market to Airbnb.
https://www.airdna.co/market-data/app/ie/default/dublin/overview

Edit: This February 2017 data suggests 3165 (47%) entire homes http://insideairbnb.com/dublin/

jimmycrackcorm

zell12 wrote:

2870 (55%) of Airbnbs in Dublin are entire homes That is 2870 homes removed from the rental market to Airbnb.

That's a little like arguing that every pirated movie is by someone who works have gone to the cinema instead.

While some may be full time rentals, others may be temporary and not available for say a 12 month rental. I've a teacher friend who Airbnbs their home during the summer months and travels or spends time at her parents home.

The_Conductor

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That's a little like arguing that every pirated movie is by someone who works have gone to the cinema instead.

While some may be full time rentals, others may be temporary and not available for say a 12 month rental. I've a teacher friend who Airbnbs their home during the summer months and travels or spends time at her parents home.

And I've a brother in New York this weekend- who has let his whole house in D6 on Airbnb- and is renting a commensurate house in Queens with his wife and 4 kids for a long weekend......... I could name 10-15 work colleagues who do similar- 2 of whom were in London over the New Year- the others habitually do it for St. Patricks Day or other events........ That is most probably the significant majority of the units. Landlords are not habitually doing this- because it has to be notified to Revenue- and you do not get the deductions you'd be allowed on a rental unit.

It looked likely to be a massive problem- before Airbnb started notifying Revenue of all Irish lettings- it is far less common than it was even 2-3 years ago.

Most people are using it either as an extension of the rent-a-room scheme- or an opportunity to get free accommodation in London/NewYork (where-ever) for a weekend.............

People don't really appreciate the nature of the majority of the lettings.

KellyXX

I just moved into a place all done through airbnb.
I was a bit worried at first but I'm just moved in and it's all going as smooth as glass so far.

From.our conversations I think it was a normal rental before we took it.

ludite

Slydice wrote: »

It was supply when I looked at Refusals last.

Housing waiting list size Versus Refusals
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97606025&postcount=36

The title of that graph..."absolute embarrassment"

Slydice

The December figures have been released:
http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_december_2017.pdf

The total Adults number lowered by 16 to 5508. Families levels lowered to levels from around July/August.
I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give. I've reduced the number months shown as the charts were getting wide.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes

or:

The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.

Coverage of this report:
Almost 300 children became homeless in Dublin within 12 months
The latest figures have been released by the Department of Housing
http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/almost-300-children-became-homeless-14175417

Almost 300 more children became homeless in Dublin in 2017 compared to 12 months before.
The last week of December 2017 shows 2,385 children were homeless, up from 2,096 in December 2016.

Drop in December homeless figures a 'seasonal trend', say charities
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/drop-in-december-homeless-figures-a-seasonal-trend-say-charities-823643.html

"To put it in context on Christmas Day 2015 there were 5,214 people homeless by Christmas Day 2016 this number had risen to 7,148 and continued to rise as by Christmas Day 2017 there were 8,587 people homeless.
"December 2015 there was 1616 children homeless and by December 2017 the number of homeless children was 3,079 so there is still a lot of work to do to end this crisis.

Homelessness among men rises while overall numbers fall, leading charity warns
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/homelessness-among-men-rises-while-overall-numbers-fall-leading-charity-warns-36507622.html

The number of men becoming homeless increased over Christmas, a leading homeless charity has warned.
Official figures revealed a drop in the total number of people in emergency accommodation at the end of last year.
But the report also showed the number of homeless men increased by 64 to 3,191 in the last week of December.

Tweets:
https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/954136321181847552

https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/954287225272971264

https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/954248403680137217


Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
Surge in tent living a ‘national crisis’
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/surge-in-tent-living-a-national-crisis-465970.html

Christina Chalmers, who leads Helping Cork’s Homeless, warned of more deaths of rough sleepers in the months ahead unless there is a radical shift in government policy.
“This is just January — we’ve February and March to get through yet. It’s getting colder — we have cold weather and snow alerts. People are going to die on the streets,” she said.

Housing crisis must be solved to avoid another crash
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/housing-crisis-must-be-solved-to-avoid-another-crash-1.3343163?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fhousing-crisis-must-be-solved-to-avoid-another-crash-1.3343163

State’s passivity in addressing housing issues is economically and socially dangerous

Strong support for proposed tax measures to boost housing supply
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/strong-support-for-proposed-tax-measures-to-boost-housing-supply-822797.html

IBEC’s Fergal O’Brien says the shortage of residential property is one of the biggest challenges facing our society.

Children’s ombudsman demands deadline for housing
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/childrens-ombudsman-demands-deadline-for-housing-465873.html

“We need to know every family that is in a hub; how long they have been there and anybody is there for more than six months should be on a high priority to move again,” said Dr Muldoon.
Dr Muldoon said hubs are a step up from hotels and B&Bs but they should only be a stop-gap situation for homeless families before homes are found for them.
“Because it is a better service it could easily become institutionalised,” he warned.

Some just don’t appreciate the help that they get. http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/when-tenants-choose-to-abuse-the-roof-over-their-heads-823960.html

hawkelady

Deleted User wrote: »

Some just don’t appreciate the help that they get. http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/when-tenants-choose-to-abuse-the-roof-over-their-heads-823960.html

Sure why would they bother when they get it all handed to them. If these type of scum actually had to buy the furniture themselves they mightn't be too quick to destroy it. I feel sorry for the landlord that's left with that mess. Jesus , and to think kids lived in that squalor. I've no doubt that in 15/20 years time those kids will be doing what their parents are doing now. Sub-human

They’re being housed like pigs, yet choose to stay there without paying any rent! https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/were-being-housed-like-pigs-couple-with-8550-unpaid-rent-told-to-vacate-property-36541705.html

pilly

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re being housed like pigs, yet choose to stay there without paying any rent! https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/were-being-housed-like-pigs-couple-with-8550-unpaid-rent-told-to-vacate-property-36541705.html

Do you come into this thread simply to post stories about bad tenants?

What has this got to do with homelessness?

hawkelady

pilly wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re being housed like pigs, yet choose to stay there without paying any rent! https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/were-being-housed-like-pigs-couple-with-8550-unpaid-rent-told-to-vacate-property-36541705.html

Do you come into this thread simply to post stories about bad tenants?

What has this got to do with homelessness?[/quot

In fairness, there's plenty of stories about bad tenants !!

Maybe these goons should apply for their own mortgage rather than trashing other people property and not paying rent !! Maybe these goons should be homeless , hence why it's in a homelessness thread

pilly

pilly wrote: »

Do you come into this thread simply to post stories about bad tenants?

What has this got to do with homelessness?

It looked like they were heading for homelessness. Who would have been at fault? Should we feel sorry for them?

handlemaster

The UK has a similar mentality to ireland. Look at the show Dont pay we'll take it away. Alot of people make themselves homeless by not paying landlords what they are due. Or taxes in other cases. Alot even have the state paying 75% of the rent and cant be bothered to pay the rest. Then blame everyone but themselves

Efforts to ease the housing situation is meeting with objections from locals. I wonder how often this is happening? http://www.thejournal.ie/donabate-new-apartments-mcgarrell-reilly-3-3842316-Feb2018/

handlemaster

Deleted User wrote: »

Efforts to ease the housing situation is meeting with objections from locals. I wonder how often this is happening? http://www.thejournal.ie/donabate-new-apartments-mcgarrell-reilly-3-3842316-Feb2018/

Houses for people but not in my back yard

mikemac2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some just don’t appreciate the help that they get. http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/when-tenants-choose-to-abuse-the-roof-over-their-heads-823960.html

Prior to going to court, tenants will have received a number of verbal warnings, followed by a written legal warning. Pat says most people will surrender the tenancy rather than be evicted, because there’s no coming back from an eviction.

“If you are evicted, you can’t go back on a housing list,” he says.

Interesting to know, I wasn’t aware of this at all. I just assumed the local authority had their very worst developments for their troublesome tenants. And to get into a good new development you needed a good track record and would do an interview too. Well it used to happen like that but maybe that’s a long time ago

Slydice

The January figures have been released:
http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_january_2018.pdf

Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes

or:

The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.

Coverage of this report:
Homelessness hit a record high in January
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/homelessness-hit-a-record-high-in-january-830140.html

A new record of 9104 people are homeless in this country.
The January figures released by the Department of Housing show that 3267 of those are children.
The number is up by 517 on December's figure which is a 6% increase in one month alone.

'It's a moral shame': Another 188 children have become homeless since the start of the year
There were 1,517 families with 3,267 children staying in emergency accommodation in January.
https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-figures-january-3875291-Feb2018/

Inner City Helping Homeless (ICHH) has hit out at the rising figures, which have been released just as temperatures are set to plummet as low as -6 degrees over the coming days.

Number of homeless people increased by more than 500 last month
http://www.newstalk.com/Number-of-homeless-people-increased-by-more-than-500-last-month

Focus Ireland described the latest increase as 'shocking'.
The charity's spokesperson Mike Allen observed: "We are deeply concerned by the Government's continued emphasis on the delivery of Hubs to tackle this human crisis of family homelessness.
"The Government admits that Hubs are only a 'first response' but there is still no sign of them delivering a second, substantive response which is adequate to the crisis we are facing."

Homeless number tops 9,000 with more than third children
Focus Ireland said its records show that one child became homeless every three and a half hours in January.
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/homeless-number-tops-9000-with-more-than-third-children-36650476.html

But the numbers published by Mr Murphy’s department do not take into account the so-called hidden homeless where adults move back into their parents’ home after having to leave a rented property.
Pat Doyle, chief executive of the Peter McVerry Trust, said the increases are unacceptable.

Tweets:
https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/968509039926800384
https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/968544974106255361
https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/968519959738449922


Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
Coldest week in years leads to concerns for rough sleepers
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/coldest-week-in-years-leads-to-concerns-for-rough-sleepers-467632.html

A Dublin-based homeless charity has said it has “major concerns” for the safety of homeless people sleeping out this week.

Residential property prices rise 12.3% in year to December
House prices in Dublin increase 10.8%, while the cost of apartments climbs 14.7%
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/residential-property-prices-rise-12-3-in-year-to-december-1.3391844

“Yet housing demand is estimated to be running at about 40,000 homes a year. Either way, even the most favourable interpretation leaves supply well short of demand with considerable backlog on top of yearly shortfall.”

Shocking Rent Prices Shows It’s Time To Shake Up Renting Laws
The average rent on new leases in Dublin has increased to €1,822 per month, according to a new report.
https://www.hotpress.com/daftie/Shocking-Rent-Prices-Shows-Its-Time-To-Shake-Up-Renting-Laws/21794574.html


'We're failing children': One in seven kids lost to homelessness, poverty or neglect
https://www.thejournal.ie/barnardos-lost-children-3862989-Feb2018/

NIMAN

Sorry but these figures are just plainly wrong.

9104 people homeless? Where are they all?

If you count homeless figures in a way that suits you, you'll get any number you want.