Homelessness on the rise

Hitman3000

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Me and you have had this exact same discussion and usually you vanish out of the thread when a good few people point out how it is indeed a free house.

It's not free despite your repeated nonsense that it is. Subsidised but not free. Plenty of working people living in social and council housing. You don't discuss, it's usually childish sound bites.

Sleeper12

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

If you’re not paying for the house tough luck.

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Time to weed out this cohort of leeches.

There was a young mum in a hotel in Lucan I think about a year ago. She was offered a place & she accepted. They then backed out and told her she had to move to another place. The new accommodation neighbouring houses weren't boarded up with sheet metal. She begged them for somewhere else but she was told, incorrectly, that she would be at the bot of the list if she refused. Reluctantly she agreed but sadly she took her own life bef moving day.

Yes sending single mothers to drug ridden areas is a great way to weed out the cohort of leeches.

NOT

Gatling

Apparently in 2017 over 3000 offers of social housing were turned down .

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/3000-social-housing-offers-turned-down-in-past-two-years-450651.html

While the local authority area with the highest number of refusals was Dublin City, at 615 for both years combined, there were 247 refusals in the same period in Co Donegal. By contrast, Fingal had just 89 refusals across both years, Limerick City and County had 72 and Galway City had 33.

Sleeper12

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Can you post a link backing up your claim of "hundreds" of families?


It actually sounds a bit made up to be honest
I'd like to point out that the homeless situation is fluid. Constantly moving. For example out of the 1,300 families you are quoting more than half of these won't be part of the 1,300 (or higher) quoted in 12 months time yet the "hundreds" you mention (without proof) are figures since 2011 I'd imagine.. I'm guessing we've had over 5000 homeless families since 2011

It’s in the links I’ve already posted.

Hitman3000

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

They get put into emergency accommodation until they can fend for themselves, not until they get a forever home at the expense of the taxpayer.

Which has been shown to be detrimental to the well being of children

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

What is so inhuman about that?

Only person suggesting it's inhuman is you.

Sleeper12

Gatling wrote:

Apparently in 2017 over 3000 offers of social housing were turned down .

Not 3000 homeless people. These are people in very comfortable homes that we are paying the rent. They have the luxury of refu a house because they alr have one

Deleted User wrote:

It’s in the links I’ve already posted.

I looked & couldn't find your claims in any of the links

Gatling

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Not 3000 homeless people.

Actually ⅓ of all homeless families refused offers of social housing

Nearly one-third of families who turned down local authority social housing offers in Dublin last year were homeless.

Dublin City Council had 402 offers of social housing refused by people on their waiting list last year and 116 refusals came from individuals or families listed as homeless.

Eight of those homeless families refused a second offer of a different council home.

So just about 1600+ homeless people / families Turned down offers of social housing.

Hotels must be comfy

DebDynamite

Old diesel wrote: »

Erica was concerned that going on HAP risked becoming homeless again at a later date.

That's why she was pushing for a council house.

What she was offered was HAP.

She turned it down and eventually was offered her current council home.

The reason the window is an issue is because the house is very hard to heat.

From what I understood there was issues with some damp.

I don't know if it got sorted because it was some time ago she tweeted about it and she hasn't afaik tweeted about it since.

The people counted as homeless and who have accomodation are in temporary emergency accomodation.

That's not their permanent solution (the word temporary and emergency highlight this).

Why would she become homeless?

Hitman3000

Gatling wrote:

Actually â…“ of all homeless families refused offers of social housing

Then the council just moves down the list, it's not as if the dwelling is destroyed because someone refused it.

Hitman3000

DebDynamite wrote:

Why would she become homeless?

A HAP tenant is at the mercy of a private landlord. If a private landlord wishes to sell the tenant has no option but to leave this making them homeless. There is no culture of long term security of tenure in the housing sector in Ireland .

Tony EH

DebDynamite wrote: »

Why would she become homeless?

The landlord could turn around in 12 months and decide to kick her out, or up the rent, or decide that they didn't want to accept HAP, or the person might not qualify for it again.

HAP and private renting is not any kind solution to this problem.

People push for council housing because it offers a better way out of their predicament. Renting from some private landlord is temporary AT BEST. It's a sticking plaster over a broken leg.

DebDynamite

Hitman3000 wrote: »

A HAP tenant is at the mercy of a private landlord. If a private landlord wishes to sell the tenant has no option but to leave this making them homeless. There is no culture of long term security of tenure in the housing sector in Ireland .

The same way as people who are paying their own rent (with no HAP help) are at the mercy of their landlord and have no security of tenure either. So because she shouted and tweeted, she now has a forever home at the expense of the taxpayer. The same lady who has enjoyed a Trinity education, also at the expense of the taxpayer, and presumably will get a well paid job, now has a forever home while people who have to pay full whack for their accommodation don't enjoy the same luxury.

The system is badly broken if this is the result.

Gatling

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Then the council just moves down the list, it's not as if the dwelling is destroyed because someone refused it.

Wasn't it claimed hundreds weren't turning down social despite living in Hotels ,when it's nearly heading to half did turn down social housing offers.

Next excuse

Hitman3000

DebDynamite wrote:

The same way as people who are paying their own ret (with no HAP help) are at the mercy of their landlord and have no security of tenure either. So because she shouted and tweeted, she now has a forever home at the expense of the taxpayer. The same lady who has enjoyed a Trinity education, also at the expense of the taxpayer, and presumably will get a well paid job, now has a forever home while people who have to pay full whack for their accommodation don't enjoy the same luxury.

She now has a home that she pays a subsidised rent for and security of tenacy. Fair play to her. As for her education every 3rd level student unless non EU is educated at some expense to the taxpayer so not sure why you wish to single her out in this regard.

Hitman3000

Gatling wrote:

Wasn't it claimed hundreds weren't turning down social despite living in Hotels ,when it's nearly heading to half did turn down social housing offers.

Almost 10,000 are listed as homeless. Are you suggesting 5,000 have turned down a home. The housing lists throughout the state has nearly 90,000 on them seeking social housing.

Sleeper12

Gatling wrote:

Actually â…“ of all homeless families refused offers of social housing

Have you a link to this.

Gatling

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Almost 10,000 are listed as homeless.

Ten thousand are not listed as homeless

But was it Claimed people in their hundreds weren't turning down social housing despite living in Hotels

Gatling

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Have you a link to this.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-one-third-of-families-refusing-social-housing-were-homeless-1.3414714%3fmode=amp

Hitman3000

Gatling wrote:

Ten thousand are not listed as homeless

Randomner on the net vrs Focus Ireland s figures. Tough call but I will go with FI.

Old diesel

DebDynamite wrote: »

Hitman3000 wrote: »

A HAP tenant is at the mercy of a private landlord. If a private landlord wishes to sell the tenant has no option but to leave this making them homeless. There is no culture of long term security of tenure in the housing sector in Ireland .

The same way as people who are paying their own ret (with no HAP help) are at the mercy of their landlord and have no security of tenure either. So because she shouted and tweeted, she now has a forever home at the expense of the taxpayer. The same lady who has enjoyed a Trinity education, also at the expense of the taxpayer, and presumably will get a well paid job, now has a forever home while people who have to pay full whack for their accommodation don't enjoy the same luxury.

The system is badly broken if this is the result.

Taxpayer also shells out for HAP accomodation.

Gatling

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Randomner on the net vrs Focus Ireland s figures. Tough call but I will go with FI.

Deny deny lol

Wheeliebin30

Love the splitting of hairs from the usual posters.

If you receive money from the state while not contributing and then using that money to pay 40 euro a week rent to the council, well you are getting that money and house for free.

Once again you done nothing to earn that money....it’s free!!!

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

She’s the one who shouted loudest and got mentioned in the media. There’s roughly 1,300 families in emergency accommodation. Hundreds of those families have refused more permanent homes for various reasons. Read the links I’ve provided to inform yourself further.

Ever hear the expression “beggars cannot be choosers”?

Since when have citizens been defined as beggars because they are homeless?
Since when are people expected to be grateful for under par accommodation?
Since when are folk to be condemned for refusing unsuitable accommodation?

Hitman3000

Gatling wrote:

Deny deny lol

Why would I deny?A quick check on Google contradicts you. You should try it.

Sleeper12

Gatling wrote:

Ten thousand are not listed as homeless

There are now over 10,000 homeless people in Ireland. Don't forget that the government started juggling the figures 3 or 4 months ago. It's believed that the real figure is now around 10,500 but it's hard to get exact figures now as the government is playing sillybeggers with the numbers. They obviously have the same person counting the amount of new homes being built as the government figures were thousands higher than reality

Graces7

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Love the splitting of hairs from the usual posters.

If you receive money from the state while not contributing and then using that money to pay 40 euro a week rent to the council, well you are getting that money and house for free.

Once again you done nothing to earn that money....it’s free!!!

Not; it costs, and in a welfare state the cost is borne by those who can afford it. Sharing, caring....

So many here have no idea what a welfare state is about. Sad really.

Hitman3000

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

If you receive money from the state while not contributing and then using that money to pay 40 euro a week rent to the council, well you are getting that money and house for free.

What about pensioners in social housing or the disabled? House still isn't free though and constantly repeating that soundbite doesn't make it so.

Graces7

DebDynamite wrote: »

The same way as people who are paying their own ret (with no HAP help) are at the mercy of their landlord and have no security of tenure either. So because she shouted and tweeted, she now has a forever home at the expense of the taxpayer. The same lady who has enjoyed a Trinity education, also at the expense of the taxpayer, and presumably will get a well paid job, now has a forever home while people who have to pay full whack for their accommodation don't enjoy the same luxury.

The system is badly broken if this is the result.

Education needed re the term "welfare state".

Hitman3000

Hitman3000 wrote: »

A HAP tenant is at the mercy of a private landlord. If a private landlord wishes to sell the tenant has no option but to leave this making them homeless. There is no culture of long term security of tenure in the housing sector in Ireland

same for anyone renting, including those paying full whack

but meeting an applicant's housing need does not translate to "permanent home with a route to ownership for everyone demanding it" no matter how this is continuously pushed

Sleeper12

Gatling wrote:

Actually â…“ of all homeless families refused offers of social housing

This is not what the article you linked says. "Almost one-third of families refusing social housing were homeless" not a third of all homeless families refused offers.

Two thirds of refusals were people on the housing list but already in housing. One third of all refusals were homeless that's not a third of homeless refused social housing. Its noway near a third of homeless.

Are you sure you aren't a FG spin doctor? You've totally twisted the facts in the article you linked.