Political Bias in US Universities

Brian?

phila91 wrote: »

First debate in NY, home field for Hillary. Be interesting to see the approach Trump takes, will he go at her from the off?

It's home field for both:

Trump Tower, New York, NY 10022, USA
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Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

It's home field for both:

Trump Tower, New York, NY 10022, USA
https://maps.google.com/?q=Trump%20Tower%2C%20New%20York%2C%20NY%2010022%2C%20USA&ftid=0x89c258faf496ca53:0xcac444369838c0c3&hl=en-IE&gl=ie

Any university would be home field for a Democrat as our higher educational system are liberal breeding grounds.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Any university would be home field for a Democrat as our higher educational system are liberal breeding grounds.

We could be here all day explaining why this is a fallible statement.

Just from local social media I can reassure you that white supremacy is alive and well on college campuses. Hell the whole campus here used to be a plantation, slave barracks and all.

If by liberal breeding grounds though you mean teaching people how to think for themselves, well I guess they're guilty there. However I must have skipped the hour in orientation where they handed out the democrat-brainwashing manuals that told us how good government-run-abortion was for us and ****.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

We could be here all day explaining why this is a fallible statement.

Just from local social media I can reassure you that white supremacy is alive and well on college campuses. Hell the whole campus here used to be a plantation, slave barracks and all.

If by liberal breeding grounds though you mean teaching people how to think for themselves, well I guess they're guilty there. However I must have skipped the hour in orientation where they handed out the democrat-brainwashing manuals that told us how good government-run-abortion was for us and ****.

I say bullsh|t to your claim. They ARE breeding grounds for radical liberalism. More so today then when I was in college. My daughter is going through it today. Her university made Hillary Clinton’s “Hard Choices” mandatory reading over the summer. She is no longer going to take any liberal arts classes as they are nothing short of liberal/progressive propaganda, regardless of the subject matter. She was a liberal when she entered college (how I manage to breed a lovely bunch of liberals is beyond me ), but she's extremely bright and can recognize brainwashing when she sees it, and has now moved to the center/right-of-center.

Do you disagree that the majority of university/college faculty tend to be more liberal/progressive? And college age students are heavily influenced by the views and perspectives of their biased professors who espouse leftist ideology. And espousing the views of their professors is almost guaranteed to get you better grades.

And I disagree that they teach students to think for themselves. If anything they fail to challenge students which makes them woefully unprepared for the real world.

And there is no democrat-brainwashing manuals. Things that are a given don’t need manuals.

But there is a manual in how to avoid liberal indoctrination at colleges and still get good grades.

https://www.amazon.com/Please-Enroll-Responsibly-Indoctrination-ebook/dp/B005K2HS44/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321633089&sr=8-1

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

I say bullsh|t to your claim. They ARE breeding grounds for radical liberalism.

BOOM! You call BS and then produce the most BS term ever coined. There is no such thing as "radical liberalism". Liberalism is a moderate left political position. It's not even an ethos, there is no founding doctrine of liberalism, it's not an ideology. Anything to the left of liberalism on the political spectrum is socialism. We've been through this before.

More so today then when I was in college. My daughter is going through it today. Her university made Hillary Clinton’s “Hard Choices” mandatory reading over the summer. She is no longer going to take any liberal arts classes as they are nothing short of liberal/progressive propaganda, regardless of the subject matter. She was a liberal when she entered college (how I manage to breed a lovely bunch of liberals is beyond me ), but she's extremely bright and can recognize brainwashing when she sees it, and has now moved to the center/right-of-center.

Do you disagree that the majority of university/college faculty tend to be more liberal/progressive? And college age students are heavily influenced by the views and perspectives of their biased professors who espouse leftist ideology. And espousing the views of their professors is almost guaranteed to get you better grades.

I do disagree. I studied engineering. I found it difficult to curry favour with my professors by aligning with them ideologically.

Most professors are liberal simply because most college educated people lean liberal. It's funny what education can do.

And I disagree that they teach students to think for themselves. If anything they fail to challenge students which makes them woefully unprepared for the real world.

And there is no democrat-brainwashing manuals. Things that are a given don’t need manuals.

But there is a manual in how to avoid liberal indoctrination at colleges and still get good grades.

https://www.amazon.com/Please-Enroll-Responsibly-Indoctrination-ebook/dp/B005K2HS44/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321633089&sr=8-1

You seem obsessed with the liberal arts from what I can tell. What about engineering and sciences? Are the liberal brain washers as well?

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

I do disagree. I studied engineering. I found it difficult to curry favour with my professors by aligning with them ideologically.

Then IMO, you're not doing it right. :P

My daughter has learned how to curry favor based on ideology (with my urging, as grades are what is important) and is tops in her class. Advanced Math to boot.

Most professors are liberal simply because most college educated people lean liberal. It's funny what education can do.

What’s that old saying… Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

You seem obsessed with the liberal arts from what I can tell. What about engineering and sciences? Are the liberal brain washers as well?

Just telling it like it is.

Math… The majority of college mathematics professors identify themselves as liberal. Although I don't have the statistics, I would guess engineering professors run the same way.

As for science… I would say… Yes. As an example, more and more university science professors don’t want students invading their man-made climate change "safe space." And the attitude is if you don't like it then don’t take their classes.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html

K-9

Amerika wrote: »

Any university would be home field for a Democrat as our higher educational system are liberal breeding grounds.

Yet college graduates nearly always vote Democrat.

Maybe reality is biased.

oscarBravo

Amerika wrote: »

Any university would be home field for a Democrat as our higher educational system are liberal breeding grounds.

More educated => more liberal. Who'da thunk it?

TheDoctor

K-9 wrote: »

Yet college graduates nearly always vote Democrat.

Maybe reality is biased.

2016 reality is liberal, the more you know of the world the more liberal you'll be.

The less you know, (small town mentality) the more conservative you are.

Amerika

oscarBravo wrote: »

More educated => more liberal. Who'da thunk it?

Perhaps it just means liberals just like to teach. Maybe many of them can't hack it in the real world

Amerika

K-9 wrote: »

Yet college graduates nearly always vote Democrat.

Maybe reality is biased.

Maybe indoctrination does work.

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

Then IMO, you're not doing it right. :P

My daughter has learned how to curry favor based on ideology (with my urging, as grades are what is important) and is tops in her class. Advanced Math to boot.


What’s that old saying… Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.


Just telling it like it is.

Math… The majority of college mathematics professors identify themselves as liberal. Although I don't have the statistics, I would guess engineering professors run the same way.

As for science… I would say… Yes. As an example, more and more university science professors don’t want students invading their man-made climate change "safe space." And the attitude is if you don't like it then don’t take their classes.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html

Your daughter isn't currying favour based on ideology. I've never come across a maths test where someone could get extra marks based on agreeing with the marker on something completely unrelated.

More intelligent/educated people tend to be more liberal. This isn't because they're brainwashed, there are just very few intelligent arguments in favour of conservatism.

Climate science has nothing to do with ideology. Climate change is occurring and is heavily influenced by human activity. That is a scientific fact, deal with it.

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

Perhaps it just means liberals just like to teach. Maybe many of them can't hack it in the real world

If they liked teaching then why on earth would they work in a university? Most university professors spend very little time teaching.

K-9

TheDoctor wrote: »

2016 reality is liberal, the more you know of the world the more liberal you'll be.

The less you know, (small town mentality) the more conservative you are.

That's very fixed but it's a generalisation I suppose. It's possible to be open minded and arrive at a more conservative or right wing view, depending on circumstances!

The most closed minded are those who already know the answer before they've actually thought about a problem. They pick the liberal, left or right default position and agree with whatever their side thinks, regardless of the actual arguments.

For example it is possible to be a conservative and think Obamacare isn't evil or a liberal and think immigration isn't all sunshine and lollipops!

K-9

Amerika wrote: »

Maybe indoctrination does work.

Sh*t! Typo.Republicans always win the college graduate vote. So colleges don't seem to be great liberal breeding grounds as you put it.

Amerika

K-9 wrote: »

Sh*t! Typo.Republicans always win the college graduate vote. So colleges don't seem to be great liberal breeding grounds as you put it.

Not since 2004, about the time liberalism on campuses turn into intolerance and censorship, IMO. Our fault really for Republicans and Conservative surrendering to liberalism and allowing them to take over higher education faculty. And hard to get back in at this point as conservatives get turned down for professorships and tenure. And hard to get back in at this point as conservatives have a tendency to get turned down for professorships and tenure.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Perhaps it just means liberals just like to teach. Maybe many of them can't hack it in the real world

None of the professors in my department made it onto the payroll without professional experience. One of the department heads spent a few years consulting with the Lockheed Skunkworks, Michelin, and several others. Another spent about 10 years on various masters and PhDs and about 6 years building nuclear submarines. The rest follow similarly.

Amerika wrote: »

I say bullsh|t to your claim. They ARE breeding grounds for radical liberalism. More so today then when I was in college. My daughter is going through it today. Her university made Hillary Clinton’s “Hard Choices” mandatory reading over the summer. She is no longer going to take any liberal arts classes as they are nothing short of liberal/progressive propaganda, regardless of the subject matter. She was a liberal when she entered college (how I manage to breed a lovely bunch of liberals is beyond me ), but she's extremely bright and can recognize brainwashing when she sees it, and has now moved to the center/right-of-center.

Do you disagree that the majority of university/college faculty tend to be more liberal/progressive? And college age students are heavily influenced by the views and perspectives of their biased professors who espouse leftist ideology. And espousing the views of their professors is almost guaranteed to get you better grades.

And I disagree that they teach students to think for themselves. If anything they fail to challenge students which makes them woefully unprepared for the real world.

And there is no democrat-brainwashing manuals. Things that are a given don’t need manuals.

But there is a manual in how to avoid liberal indoctrination at colleges and still get good grades.

https://www.amazon.com/Please-Enroll-Responsibly-Indoctrination-ebook/dp/B005K2HS44/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321633089&sr=8-1

I'd be fascinated to know what caused her to take a political science credit during the summer term, as I can't think of any other reason she would be asked to read "Hard Choices."

I can't say qualitatively for such a large university how many of them lean conservative, liberal, or moderate. But I should remind you this is the University that houses the Strom Thurmond institute (you won't find anything in that building about him being a devout negro hater though) and is a land grant institution that has been built upon a former plantation. I can say there are more pickup trucks than hybrids and more camo than rainbows, and that there would be more people carrying on campus if state law didn't forbid carry on campuses. The university teaches firearms elective credits off-campus to avoid that legality. There is no campus policy that includes trigger warnings or safe spaces if that's your fear. Equal time and place is given to pride, pro choice, etc. etc. - our governor Nikki Haley went here doncha know? I'm surprised she doesn't have a hidden agenda to give out free abortions and gay pride flags to every home in the state!

I'm not sure when during any of my math, science, or engineering classes anyone would have time to convince me of "the liberal agenda." Must admit I haven't taken a single credit from the school of Art, Architecture, and Humanities here. When I did take my english credits they were in Charleston and more Shakespeare and Oedipus stuff than "Dreams of My Father." I'm also pretty sure I won't get any more points on my exam if I write "Hail Emperor Obama" on the back of my paper. My fluids professor could be a wizard in the KKK for all I know. But that would be weird, because he's actually 1st generation Chinese.

Maybe it's just that at the University level everyone realizes you are neither going to advance your career or find the next cure for cancer by believing that God designed Zebras and Armadillos. If that is how you feel though there are places for that, like Charleston Southern University that has bible study as part of the general curriculum.

I guess I'm more curious though about two things: what do you think people are being taught at University, and what do you think they should be taught?

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

If they liked teaching then why on earth would they work in a university? Most university professors spend very little time teaching.

So true… about the spending very little time actually teaching, that is. My daughter’s goal in life is to be paid a lot of money for not doing much. I told her your best bet then is to get great grades in her mathematics major and become a professor at some university. Upon obtaining her undergraduate degree, make sure the university notices her accomplishments as a woman (extra points in liberalism, and doubly so in mathematics). Let the university pay for her MBA and PHD while she's an adjunct professor for them. And most importantly… outwardly be sympathetic to liberal/progressive ideologies, even if that means hiding your real feelings until one gets tenure.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

I'd be fascinated to know what caused her to take a political science credit during the summer term, as I can't think of any other reason she would be asked to read "Hard Choices."

No political science class and no credit. The college mandates EVERY student read a book the college chooses for everyone over the summer. This past summer it was 'Hard Choices.' Last summer it was a book about being transgender.

You've got to remember we're located in the northeast liberal haven here. She even turned down Yale and Princeton who recruited her. She said she was not Ivy League material. Made me happy and sad at the same time (But I will keep those letters forever and show her every so often later in life what she passed on).

Overheal

Not since 2004, about the time liberalism on campuses turn into intolerance and censorship, IMO.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the PATRIOT Act. Nope. Not a chance. Couldn't be people paying attention to what was happening in politics. Couldn't possibly be understanding what was happening in the Middle East and how we were conducting ourselves. HAD to be brainwashing. Yep. Brainwashing. Brainwashing 2004-present; never forget.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

No political science class and no credit. The college mandates EVERY student read a book the college chooses for everyone over the summer. This past summer it was 'Hard Choices.' Last summer it was a book about being transgender.

Which University is this? Still assuming this is bull**** and conjecture. At best, I question whether it's a Title IV Institution.

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

So true… about the spending very little time actually teaching, that is. My daughter’s goal in life is to be paid a lot of money for not doing much. I told her your best bet then is to get great grades in her mathematics major and become a professor at some university. Upon obtaining her undergraduate degree, make sure the university notices her accomplishments as a woman (extra points in liberalism, and doubly so in mathematics). Let the university pay for her MBA and PHD while she's an adjunct professor for them. And most importantly… outwardly be sympathetic to liberal/progressive ideologies, even if that means hiding your real feelings until one gets tenure.

:rolleyes:

Most professors spend the vast majority of their doing research. You'll have a hard time to find a professor that doesn't work harder and longer hours than the average American.

Why on earth would somebody get an MBA if they wanted to be a maths professor?

Amerika wrote: »

No political science class and no credit. The college mandates EVERY student read a book the college chooses for everyone over the summer. This past summer it was 'Hard Choices.' Last summer it was a book about being transgender.

You've got to remember we're located in the northeast liberal haven here. She even turned down Yale and Princeton who recruited her. She said she was not Ivy League material. Made me happy and sad at the same time (But I will keep those letters forever and show her every so often later in life what she passed on).

Everyone on this thread knows this didn't happen.

Overheal

Suryavarman wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Most professors spend the vast majority of their doing research. You'll have a hard time to find a professor that doesn't work harder and longer hours than the average American.

Why on earth would somebody get an MBA if they wanted to be a maths professor?

As the nuke sub guy put it one day in his office, he spends time teaching, time learning, time researching, and time writing grant proposals. It's a hard knock life, part of their employment agreement is using some grant money to pay for their university overheads (light, workspace, etc) the rest goes to the research, the grad student workers, the equipment, etc. etc. and I don't know what the story is about how many classes they teach per semester but I should ask about that. My presumption is its so they can remain focused in a subset of the curriculum without you know, trying to teach fluids and thermo and this and that and that. I don't know where they are hiding the clandestine liberal-freemason meetings though. Maybe that's why he came to 8ams looking like he only ever got 3 hours of sleep? My professors always were up late to answer emails. They work like dogs.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Which University is this? Still assuming this is bull**** and conjecture. At best, I question whether it's a Title IV Institution.

ESU, Title IV Code: 003320. One of the top teaching universities in the state. She was recruited by just about every college in the country. She ended up applying to 8 colleges and was accepted by every one with either full or six-figure scholarships. She chose ESU because they offered her a full tuition academic scholarship and two extra scholarships, and recently hired a renowned woman to head their mathematics department whose goal it is making the university have one of the top mathematics teaching degrees in the country. She told my daughter she was taking her under her wing. But one of the most important factors in choosing the college was because it was the only college that had recently built a new form of housing that was able to accommodate her disability.

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

Everyone on this thread knows this didn't happen.

Then everyone on this thread would be wrong. It's the 'University’s One Book, Once Campus Program.'

Overheal

I've emailed ESU for comment. Your claim is just too preposterous at face value to ignore.

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

Why on earth would somebody get an MBA if they wanted to be a maths professor?

Sorry, should have said MA, not MBA.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Then everyone on this thread would be wrong. It's the 'University’s One Book, Once Campus Program.'

Ah. I can't find the record that Hard Choices was one of the selected books though. Strange setup but then again I doubt it's as damaging as that time a whole gaggle of university students were forced to attended the Donald Trump sermon about Two Corinthians

That said, you never answered my earlier question: what are you afraid they're teaching at universities and what do you want them to teach at universities?

Quin_Dub

Amerika wrote: »

Then everyone on this thread would be wrong. It's the 'University’s One Book, Once Campus Program.'

Is this the ESU you're talking about?

http://quantum.esu.edu/onebook/

This years book is "The Circle" by Dave Eggers.

No mention of Clinton anywhere I can find..

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

Then everyone on this thread would be wrong. It's the 'University’s One Book, Once Campus Program.'

That is a voluntary programme. Nothing happens if the student doesn't read the book. The book wasn't Hard Choices either.

Amerika

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is this the ESU you're talking about?

http://quantum.esu.edu/onebook/

This years book is "The Circle" by Dave Eggers.

No mention of Clinton anywhere I can find..

Yes that's the one. And hmmm… I see that about 'The Circle." But she doesn’t have that one, she has ‘Hard Choices.’ When I saw the book I asked her why in the world she was reading it. She said it was her required summer reading. I assumed it was the One Book, One Campus required reading (last year the required book was “Your Face in Mine”). Now I wonder if it was required reading for the ESU Honors Program (aka super liberal indoctrination program). I doubt she would lie to me.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

Then IMO, you're not doing it right. :P

The wonderful thing about numbers is their complete lack of bias. What should I have done, built a robot Karl Marx?

My daughter has learned how to curry favor based on ideology (with my urging, as grades are what is important) and is tops in her class. Advanced Math to boot.

Advanced math eh? How does she appeal to liberal bias through numbers exactly? Serious question. Mathematics is not a matter of opinion or conjecture.

What’s that old saying… Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

Nonsense. University doctors and professors spend a lot more time working than they do teaching.

Just telling it like it is.

Math… The majority of college mathematics professors identify themselves as liberal. Although I don't have the statistics, I would guess engineering professors run the same way.

As for science… I would say… Yes. As an example, more and more university science professors don’t want students invading their man-made climate change "safe space." And the attitude is if you don't like it then don’t take their classes.

Climate change is man made. They teach the truth. Science is the search for truth, if you don't like things being proven with empirical data then you shouldn't take the class. Damn right you shouldn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html

Haven't read that yet.

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

Climate change is man made. They teach the truth. Science is the search for truth, if you don't like things being proven with empirical data then you shouldn't take the class. Damn right you shouldn't.

Climate change has been happening since day one of Earth's existence. No one is denying that. What is not settled science is the amount of impact man has on climate change, and the extent of benefits that can be derived from the draconian measures being put forward to deal with man’s impact.

Billy86

Overheal wrote: »

Amerika wrote: »

Any university would be home field for a Democrat as our higher educational system are liberal breeding grounds.

We could be here all day explaining why this is a fallible statement.

Just from local social media I can reassure you that white supremacy is alive and well on college campuses. Hell the whole campus here used to be a plantation, slave barracks and all.

If by liberal breeding grounds though you mean teaching people how to think for themselves, well I guess they're guilty there. However I must have skipped the hour in orientation where they handed out the democrat-brainwashing manuals that told us how good government-run-abortion was for us and ****.

Except we couldn't debate this, because he is right. People who are more educated tend to vote Democrat in the US, or liberal generally. Which should say something, and just well might... if some others were better educated.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Yes that's the one. And hmmm… I see that about 'The Circle." But she doesn’t have that one, she has ‘Hard Choices.’ When I saw the book I asked her why in the world she was reading it. She said it was her required summer reading. I assumed it was the One Book, One Campus required reading (last year the required book was “Your Face in Mine”). Now I wonder if it was required reading for the ESU Honors Program (aka super liberal indoctrination program). I doubt she would lie to me.

Sounds like dad isn't doing a good job brainwashing his princess all to himself after all. Sounds like she's just reading the book and didn't want to hear you go off on her for reading it.

InTheTrees

Amerika wrote: »

I doubt she would lie to me.

Maybe not lie but a small fib just to avoid upsetting old conservative dad?

Saying its "required reading" is an easy way to avoid having to argue about it.
Given the level of support Clinton gets from both women and the college educated it seems likely.

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

The wonderful thing about numbers is their complete lack of bias. What should I have done, built a robot Karl Marx?

I disagree. Mathematics, especially statistics, is used extensively in political and social research. A persons perspective can influence how people tackle dealing with the science aspect.

Overheal

I'd still enjoy your answer to my previous question Joe. What do you want taught in higher education?

marienbad

Amerika wrote: »

I disagree. Mathematics, especially statistics, is used extensively in political and social research. A persons perspective can influence how people tackle dealing with the science aspect.

Statistics isn't Maths though , is it ?

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Sounds like dad isn't doing a good job brainwashing his princess all to himself after all. Sounds like she's just reading the book and didn't want to hear you go off on her for reading it.

Then you know nothing of me (and the youngest one is the princess, the one in college is the intellectual... the oldest is the politician, and the second one is unique in her own way). I always teach my kids to explore all aspects, especially those that differ from mine. I say to weigh all sides and come up with a perspective that is uniquely theirs. I would actually want her to read something like Clinton's book in order to see something from another perspective and to counter what I say about Hillzilla. (didn’t you see me state earlier that I’ve raised a lovely bunch of liberals :P)

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

I'd still enjoy your answer to my previous question Joe. What do you want taught in higher education?

I did answer it in the other thread, but it got deleted. I'll wait a little to see if it appears here.

Overheal

marienbad wrote: »

Statistics isn't Maths though , is it ?

I'm definitely in a stat class coded STAT, not MATH. There is some math involved mind you, but a fair chunk of it is descriptive analysis and subjective observation eg. how important are these outliers, etc. etc

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Then you know nothing of me (and the youngest one is the princess, the one in college is the intellectual... the oldest is the politician, and the second one is unique in her own way). I always teach my kids to explore all aspects, especially those that differ from mine. I say to weigh all sides and come up with a perspective that is uniquely theirs. I would actually want her to read something like Clinton's book in order to see something from another perspective and to counter what I say about Hillzilla. (didn’t you see me state earlier that I’ve raised a lovely bunch of liberals :P)

Then I'm curious why you're bent out of shape she's reading it.

Amerika

InTheTrees wrote: »

Maybe not lie but a small fib just to avoid upsetting old conservative dad?

Saying its "required reading" is an easy way to avoid having to argue about it.
Given the level of support Clinton gets from both women and the college educated it seems likely.

LOL. Her avoiding the chance to disagree with me... Well, that's rich! She'd fit in well with the rest of you... as I'm always wrong, intolerant and overly abrasive.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

I disagree. Mathematics, especially statistics, is used extensively in political and social research. A persons perspective can influence how people tackle dealing with the science aspect.

It can, but it shouldn't.

You realise how science is advanced. Proposals, Study, peer review and either acceptance or dismissal. Science is the quest for truth by trying to disprove the work of others. If it can't be disproved it's accepted as true. That's how bias is eliminated.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Then I'm curious why you're bent out of shape she's reading it.

It's just she considers Hillary a person that can't be trusted and is only concerned over her own ambitions. I thought it was odd she was reading it, knowing how she feels.

Brian?

marienbad wrote: »

Statistics isn't Maths though , is it ?

It's a much misunderstood branch of mathematics.

Overheal

Well I doubt your alleged post was deleted during the move so perhaps you'd like to indulge us with your view on what the Universities should be teaching people that they aren't already?

Brian?

Overheal wrote: »

Well I doubt your alleged post was deleted during the move so perhaps you'd like to indulge us with your view on what the Universities should be teaching people that they aren't already?

I assume they should be teaching Reganomics.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

I'm definitely in a stat class coded STAT, not MATH. There is some math involved mind you, but a fair chunk of it is descriptive analysis and subjective observation eg. how important are these outliers, etc. etc

She's going for a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics with Concentration in Applied Biological Mathematics. Statistics at ESU has a MATH designation.

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

I assume they should be teaching Reganomics.

In economics class... sure. The post that got deleted which answered Overheals question was political ideologies should be limited to political and sociological classes. Not bleed into all other subjects. Last year my daughter took a class that was a requirement for the Honors Program. Forget the name but I believe it had Liberal Arts in the heading and was a literature type course. I do know her textbooks for the class were classic literature. She said the professor spent all his class time talking about NPR's 'All Things Considered' and bashing Donald Trump. All the actual literature work needed to pass the tests she had to do on her own outside of the classroom.