Clontarf Baths demolishion/redevelopement

Seth Brundle

Alicano wrote: »

I certainly didn't think there would ever be baths. they don't want that. Just clean the water.. Put in some nice lights and a fountain. And let's all move on.

Why? So pretentious twats can park their SUVs like dicks and buy their expensive wine purely because the owner was sly with their planning application?

Shedite27

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why? So pretentious twats can park their SUVs like dicks and buy their expensive wine purely because the owner was sly with their planning application?

It was an eyesore for years, new restaurant to the area, chance to get a coffee on the boardwalk. I'm happy to leave it be

downtheroad

Shedite27 wrote: »

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why? So pretentious twats can park their SUVs like dicks and buy their expensive wine purely because the owner was sly with their planning application?

It was an eyesore for years, new restaurant to the area, chance to get a coffee on the boardwalk. I'm happy to leave it be

But it sets a terrible precedent. Apply for planning permission on something you have no intention of building and get away with it because you sell a few coffees. What's to stop somebody from getting planning permission for a small extension to their house and then building something completely different, seeing as this guy (who owes €29m to NAMA, which is possibly why he charges €14 for a glass of wine but that's another debate) was able to apply for planning for a project and not see it through?

Effects

downtheroad wrote: »

But it sets a terrible precedent.

Exactly. This developer has already taken advantage of the system and left regular tax payers having to foot the bill.
It's just another continuation of that mindset. Bend the rules to suit your own agenda and fill your bank account.

Seth Brundle

Shedite27 wrote: »

It was an eyesore for years, new restaurant to the area, chance to get a coffee on the boardwalk. I'm happy to leave it be

It was allowed to fall into a derelict state by the current owner who bought it with the plan of creating a restaurant.

LionelNashe

Planning laws have to be respected. Otherwise, the council should take away his bar licence and/or tear down the structure and hit him with the bill, or jail the developer. Anything else is two fingers to society. I won't shop at Dealz for the same reason - they have a track record of opening stores in units where it's not allowed and then applying for permission after the fact.

wakka12

Theres nothing wrong with that though, its applying for retention permission

L1011

wakka12 wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with that though, its applying for retention permission

Having to apply for retention permission implies that you broke the law in the first place

If people feel strongly enough about this, object to the Licencing Court. DCC may do so themselves, they have done it before.

Shedite27

downtheroad wrote: »

But it sets a terrible precedent. Apply for planning permission on something you have no intention of building and get away with it because you sell a few coffees. What's to stop somebody from getting planning permission for a small extension to their house and then building something completely different, seeing as this guy (who owes €29m to NAMA, which is possibly why he charges €14 for a glass of wine but that's another debate) was able to apply for planning for a project and not see it through?

If you're objecting to spite a developer grand, but a coffee shop is better than a derelict building. Absolutely pointless to close it down again

LionelNashe

downtheroad wrote: »

But it sets a terrible precedent. Apply for planning permission on something you have no intention of building and get away with it because you sell a few coffees. What's to stop somebody from getting planning permission for a small extension to their house and then building something completely different, seeing as this guy (who owes €29m to NAMA, which is possibly why he charges €14 for a glass of wine but that's another debate) was able to apply for planning for a project and not see it through?

Shedite27 wrote: »

If you're objecting to spite a developer grand, but a coffee shop is better than a derelict building. Absolutely pointless to close it down again

It's not pointless, though - the point is to avoid a precedent being set which others will follow, as downtheroad says in the post you're replying to. There's an important principle at stake that outweighs, in my opinion, the benefit of having a coffee-shop cafe, although this is subjective and I guess you disagree. Objecting to spite a developer, though, is bonkers and an abuse of the system.

Alicano

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why? So pretentious twats can park their SUVs like dicks and buy their expensive wine purely because the owner was sly with their planning application?

No. And not sure why you seem to have issue with the total strangers who may go there or what transport they use?
I have ran past this place daily for the last 15 years or so. It is a kip of a structure. I am not a swimmer. But if I was, I'd be at an indoor pool or at the beach. If planning is dodge and the owners are being crafty, then object and have the place knocked down rather than close and board it up (graffiti paradise).
I won't be visiting as a swimmer or a customer of bar/restaurant. I just like there to be something instead of nothing at that location.

checky88

Seems to be an update on the LoveDublinBay facebookpage https://www.facebook.com/LoveDublinBay/ that Clontarf swimming club have been able to swim in it

L1011

SBP at the weekend said that the council was investigating this as a potential breach of planning

odyssey06

L1011 wrote: »

SBP at the weekend said that the council was investigating this as a potential breach of planning

Hmm, how coincidental then that a photo op swim event is organised shortly thereafter...

expectationlost

mixed reviews https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_Review-g186605-d13805864-Reviews-or60-The_Baths_at_Clontarf-Dublin_County_Dublin.html

expectationlost

article in Daily Mail that said it was now open to clontarf swimming club swimmers, but when the journalist went to try and join the club she couldn't in contact with them.

Gloomtastic!

Typical lazy journalist, took me all of 30 seconds....

Their Facebook page has a link to their website. It’s a waterpolo club

https://m.facebook.com/pg/Clontarf-Swimming-Club-211319172294377/about/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=1
http://clontarfscwaterpolo.ie

expectationlost

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Typical lazy journalist, took me all of 30 seconds....

Their Facebook page has a link to their website. It’s a waterpolo club

https://m.facebook.com/pg/Clontarf-Swimming-Club-211319172294377/about/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=1
http://clontarfscwaterpolo.ie

paper was still in the shed it was july 15th Sunday Mail. Donna Conney and the journalist both said theye tried to make contact with the club and didn't get a repsonse for atleast week, article said there no email on the website?, they might have updated it since then although it doesn't seem so https://web.archive.org/web/20170630211228/http://clontarfscwaterpolo.ie/contact/

here there announcement of opening the pool to the club https://www.instagram.com/p/BknSEWiHNKM/ https://www.facebook.com/thebathsclontarf/posts/1907994065931621

she says used 3 different email addresses (1 of them probably wrong) to try and contact them and got no reply https://twitter.com/donna_cooney1/status/1021089257019117569 link to copy of council letter looking for the baths to show they are complying with permission with regard to pool use.

Gangu

Any update on being able to use the baths

Sardine

The reviews are pretty mixed. Seems to be really expensive. I wonder who was stupid enough to invest so much money into what seems like an absolute basket case?

Gangu

Sardine wrote: »

The reviews are pretty mixed. Seems to be really expensive. I wonder who was stupid enough to invest so much money into what seems like an absolute basket case?

They started off with many locals against them because of failure to give access to the pool

whiskeyman

Haven't been yet, but anyone I've asked who's been says the food is mediocre and it's very pricey, especially the drinks.
Still seems to be pulling in the numbers though. Location and novelty will see them going for a while anyway.

CatInABox

Sardine wrote: »

The reviews are pretty mixed. Seems to be really expensive. I wonder who was stupid enough to invest so much money into what seems like an absolute basket case?

It's grand, to be honest, the prices are about what I'd expect for a place like that.

pixelburp

Been a couple of times: had coddle pizza the last visit and tbh was quite nice. Coffee et al was fine and the pricing middle of the road for the location. It's clontarf after all and a prime location. You'll pay more for worse, and less for better.

The decor is nice, nautical, but interior can be a bit noisy and like a barn. The big minus though has been staff: they're friendly, but almost comically disorganised; they desperately need a floor manager (or a better one).

Thus ends my impromptu TripAdvisor review lol

expectationlost

DCC give it the ok https://www.facebook.com/LoveDublinBay/photos/a.536943496463407/1120773871413697/?type=3

you see the baths are now being used via the clontarfswimmingclub https://twitter.com/clontarfswim

expectationlost

Clontarf baths owners ordered to scale back restaurant https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/clontarf-baths-owners-ordered-to-scale-back-restaurant-1.3646623 not sure which part they are referring to

Shedite27

expectationlost wrote: »

Clontarf baths owners ordered to scale back restaurant https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/clontarf-baths-owners-ordered-to-scale-back-restaurant-1.3646623 not sure which part they are referring to

Literally the very first line of the article, the Pergola dining area

expectationlost

Shedite27 wrote: »

Literally the very first line of the article, the Pergola dining area

I having trouble discerning the pergola dining areas from the rest of the building

pixelburp

expectationlost wrote: »

I having trouble discerning the pergola dining areas from the rest of the building

It's the "coffee" area with the retractable roof; not the main hall area when you come in, but the all-glass box room looking out over the pool.

Gangu

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