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Gadfly Girl wrote: »OP it's worth bearing in mind that losing several stones of weight is a different process than losing 1-2 stone and or building muscle. Whatever type of route you take to clean and healthy eating be sure to get support and advice from people who have either personal or professional experience of losing several stone weight. Some of the advice you're getting is setting you up for failure at this early stage of your journey but will be excellent to start to apply as your weight improves. Losing this weight is a total lifetime commitment to taking care of your health and food intake as a priority. There is no scheme or magic solution, it will be an ever evolving process. Slimming World is not faddy at all, it is more of a clean eating tool for dummies
as you progress you can continue to make better and better food choices and build on your newly learned health skills. The SW class format can be cringey and there is no need to purchase their bars or books but the support of others in a similar situation and the simplified way to learn what to eat and healthy cooking skills will benefit you a lot. However as with anything you will get out what you put in, you must actually want to do this and you need to truly believe that you can. You can absolutely enjoy your meals but their will be some level of effort required. Having at least a few meals prepped will help avoid turning to fast and processed foods when you're busy or tired. It doesn't need to be repetitive but personally I tend to love the meals I eat and unintentionally have several dishes that appear on the plate regularly. It is also important to eat regularly, with breakfast being of huge importance. Many people with poor nutrition don't eat regularly and then binge on awful foods.
It's good that you're thinking about all this but really you need to commit to change, even start by promising yourself to follow a healthy plan for one week 100% no cheating yourself. I bet that one good week would spur you to keep going! Don't worry about blips along the way just don't quit e.g. as I've heard said before you wouldn't slash all your tyres on your car if one was flat.
Hi Gadfly thanks so much for your response, I have actually taken down that quote about the car tyre in my phone to re-read, it hit home!
Your right it is a liftstyle change and something I need to do, eating all this crap is making me feel like crap and really not helping my mood and self esteem. I know from a week of eating good and getting out in the fresh air my mood is lifted 1000% ~ even my OH comments on it and says I am like a new person ~ just need to put it all into practice and make myself do it and believe I can0 -
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Yeah, alcohol is the hidden fattener
The doc shocked me by telling me that there were nine spoonfuls of sugar in a glass of wine :eek:
Your doctor is blatantly lying to you; that's probably why what he said sounded shocking. Perhaps nine spoonfuls of sugar were converted to alcohol during fermentation and that alcohol is now in the glass, but there are only trace amounts of sugar actually in the glass. Otherwise it would taste sickeningly sweet, like drinking honey.0 -
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Cristiano Modern Petroleum wrote: »Alochol (ethanol) itself is metabolised similar a simple sugar. So the
Ethanol is converted into AcKoA, which can be "burned" in the Krebs cycle or can be used to build fatty acids.
So add the sucrose/fructose content to the alochol content there.Sure, there are metabolic similarities, but it's not a sugar; it doesn't cause a blood sugar spike the way sugar does and it doesn't trigger insulin release. It's very misleading to say there are spoonfuls of sugar in a glass of wine.
It's obviously well-intentioned scare-mongering but I'd rather doctors tried to educate people than instil terror in them. I've heard this from a lot of people, and if you think about a diabetic believing it then you cross into outright dangerous territory. "Well, I just drank nine spoonfuls of sugar, better take a large dose of insulin."
Did the op even say she drinks ??
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Your doctor is blatantly lying to you; that's probably why what he said sounded shocking. Perhaps nine spoonfuls of sugar were converted to alcohol during fermentation and that alcohol is now in the glass, but there are only trace amounts of sugar actually in the glass. Otherwise it would taste sickeningly sweet, like drinking honey.
Doubt it, we were just chatting, nothing to do with my own health, he was just remarking on it as an interesting fact. "Blatantly lying" is a bit hysterical, eh
And @Hopefully, naah, I was just mentioning that alcohol can be a fattener and we forget about it - the OP didn't mention whether she drinks or not, it was just a throwaway remark. Same thing with breakfast; we might think we're having a nice healthy fruity breakfast but not realise that the cereal is full of sugar.0 -
Hopeful2016 wrote: »Did the op even say she drinks ??
I have a glass of wine every month at the max! Not a major drinker.. Maybe I should start! 0 -
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sammysnail016 wrote: »I have a glass of wine every month at the max! Not a major drinker.. Maybe I should start!
Mmm, well, you might try, as PG Wodehouse put it, discovering well in advance of medical science that alcohol is a food… I've noticed that people who smoke all the time and don't eat and drink lots of spirits are skinny. Healthful!0 -
Sure, there are metabolic similarities, but it's not a sugar; it doesn't cause a blood sugar spike the way sugar does and it doesn't trigger insulin release. It's very misleading to say there are spoonfuls of sugar in a glass of wine.
It's obviously well-intentioned scare-mongering but I'd rather doctors tried to educate people than instil terror in them. I've heard this from a lot of people, and if you think about a diabetic believing it then you cross into outright dangerous territory. "Well, I just drank nine spoonfuls of sugar, better take a large dose of insulin."
Worse again ethanol lowers blood sugar, and the hypoglycemia is long lasting hence the cravings for easily processed foods. It removes self control and it leads to binge eating the flowing day. So maybe instead of being right in "teh internets" we should allow doctors to give nice simple advice to people like "moderate your alochol intake, it makes you fat, its full of sugar and makes you eat take aways"
I am married to a GP, and I can tell you I would take her advice over any health and fitness guru/instagram/facebook any day because she is used to giving advice to people that they can understand and will action on rather than being technically right. Thats the real skill, knowning when not to tell people how much you know.
OP - Move more, eat less. Bay far the most important thing is eat less 5:10 -
The sugar content of wholewheat is not significantly different to white bread.OP, since you have PCOS you should start reducing your sugar intake as much as possible. Instead of white bread, pasta etc change to wholewheat.
Are you mixing up fizzy water with sea water?Spanish Eyes wrote: »I also love fizzy water, but I had to cut down, it can contain a humungous amount of sodium (salt).Doubt it, we were just chatting, nothing to do with my own health, he was just remarking on it as an interesting fact. "Blatantly lying" is a bit hysterical, eh
But its not a fact, that's his point. It's simply not true, and even close.
A glass of wine has maybe a gram of sugar. A sweet red might have 3 or 4g, less that 1 teaspoon0 -
Cristiano Modern Petroleum wrote: »I am married to a GP, and I can tell you I would take her advice over any health and fitness guru/instagram/facebook any day because she is used to giving advice to people that they can understand and will action on rather than being technically right. Thats the real skill, knowning when not to tell people how much you know.
I think it's an very condescending way to treat a patient. It disempowers them for the future when it comes to their health and understanding nutrition; it's actually a step backwards by providing false information (the wine/sugar point in question). A doctor who lied to me because they thought - what, I'm too stupid to grasp real nutrition? - would be gotten rid of ASAP.0 -
sammysnail016 wrote: »I have a glass of wine every month at the max! Not a major drinker.. Maybe I should start!
You did list wine as one of the reasons you've gained weight in your original post.sammysnail016 wrote: »I obviously know how I got here, takeaways. chocolate, wine and deli's.0 -
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I think it's an very condescending way to treat a patient. It disempowers them for the future when it comes to their health and understanding nutrition; it's actually a step backwards by providing false information (the wine/sugar point in question). A doctor who lied to me because they thought - what, I'm too stupid to grasp real nutrition? - would be gotten rid of ASAP.
You meet people where they are not where you want them to be. The only sure way to ensure a message goes unnoticed is to deliver it in a way that is more about showing your knowledge than educating the recipient.
If the doctor goes on to a person about about insulin levels, and cortsol levels, and hormon levels and feedback mechanisms, not only would it take all day, its will make the person even more confused. If it doesn't confuse them, then they know it already and the reason thay are asking is the interesting and relivant point.
You make the assumption that because you know these things, everyone does and can grasp, has interest the complex interactions, and that its important they do for them to reach their goals. They are not and it is not. The most condescending thing in the world is to confuse a person with the sole purpose of being pedantic. When your really good, you dont need to do that, and you use people misconceptions to influence rather than correct.
Sorry op, this is off topic but really its so simple and all these details do is dilute the real message. A lot of people in the fitness industry really do talk a load of self aggrandizing bull****.
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I think it's an very condescending way to treat a patient. It disempowers them for the future when it comes to their health and understanding nutrition; it's actually a step backwards by providing false information (the wine/sugar point in question). A doctor who lied to me because they thought - what, I'm too stupid to grasp real nutrition? - would be gotten rid of ASAP.
I slightly disagree on this.
Sometimes - with certain individuals - it can be beneficial to caution them off certain foods/beverages in whatever way you think might be effective.
There are so many people that just don't have a mind for nutrition. Or just don't have much interest... no matter how much you try to educate/inform them!
For those people, it's important to find a way to get them eating and drinking healthier.
Bottom line: alcohol is the enemy of weight loss and good health.
I know some people will probably spout on about how it's okay to have this much, or it depends on the type of alcohol. But ALL alcohol is essentially empty calories when you get down to basics of it.
Yes, there are some people who can have a glass of wine or a couple of beers and still lose weight. But for the majority, any quantity of alcohol is going to get in the way of their weight loss and health goals!
I almost never drink anymore. (I know super boring
) These days even a small quantity of alcohol produces a very noticeable effect on my stamina and strength... tbh I'm such a fanatic about being in shape, that I can't even enjoy a beer anymore without thinking about the after effects...
That's an extreme end of the spectrum, and I quite likely have some kind of neurotic problems in that respect. :pac: But I'm definitely NOT imagining the pronounced effects of the alcohol. (I was never a lightweight drinker back when I did drink regularly)
The problem in this country, is that very few people go long periods without alcohol in their system... so it's very difficult to get a real sense of how it's truly effecting your body!0 -
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When you do slip-up (and you will) don't throw the whole day away ......... a lot of people will say "I shouldn't have eaten that Snickers at lunch ........ f*ck it, I might as well just order chipper tonight and start again tomorrow!" ......... no.
You had the Snickers, you enjoyed it ......... don't dwell on it, move on and get back on track.
Cheat meals .......... some people need them for some relief from their "diet". If so, then try keep your cheat meal within your calorie allowance for that day.
Try not let your cheat meal become a cheat day ........... try not let your cheat day become a cheat weekend .......... if your cheat weekend becomes a cheat week/month/year then start again ........ never give up, no matter how many times you fall down.
Good luck!!!
Some very sound advice there maddog. Planning, in particular, is something I consider essential.... You've gotta be prepared for the things that might de-rail your efforts.
Planning also gives you a sense of control, so when your motivation dips a bit... which everyone's does... you don't fall completely off track.
Also, I would add this bit of advice for anyone staring down a long road with a lot of weight to lose... TAKE IT IN STAGES!
Think of it like climbing a mountain. Would you attempt to climb Everest in one go..? Nope - it would be suicidal. You break the climb into stages... do the same with your weight loss plan!
Consider coming off your calorie deficit for a small period of time, in order to let your body and mind recuperate a bit. This doesn't mean throwing all your healthy eating and exercise habits out the window... it just means allowing yourself to eat a little bit extra and tone down the workout intensity and/or duration a bit.
Basically you just want your body to stop losing weight for a while, but also not gain any weight either... so obviously use caution here. But it can be very beneficial if you give yourself a breather.
Imo you are far more likely to succeed in losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off, if you break it down into stages. This way your body can also get a chance to get used to being at a new weight and your metabolism can acclimate to that.Musketeer4 wrote: »Don't eat less, eat well. And lift.
You need to eat less as well.
And also a good variety of exercise, not just lifting. (but that last bit is just my opinion - for what it's worth) 0 -
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I think the best way to start with this is taking it slow and steady. As someone already said if you can cut your calorie intake by 500/600 kcals a day there's a great start.
Think about what you are eating. If you want chocolate, switch to good quality dark chocolate. There are plenty of healthier substitutes available to curb the cravings.
Keeping a food diary is brilliant too. But be honest with it. In the end your only fooling yourself if you're not.
Loosing a bit of weight can help reduce PCOS but loosing weight with the condition can be that much tougher. Think of it as a new lifestyle. Small changes will amount to results in time.
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