7,000 cars a month caught with no NCT

Atlantic Dawn

Anyone hear that new radio ad campaign from the RSA, Apparently 7,000 cars a month are caught driving with no NCT, surely that's a massive cash cow the government could tap in to and say a €100 on the spot fine would give a nice €700,000 a month to the country.

ofcork

Are the numbers that high any time I went there it was constantly busy.

Stoogie

seems a huge number
If there are about 3 million cars on the road that's 2.7% of cars getting caught for no NCT
and the catch rate is probably 10%
Are the stats available somewhere?

savagethegoat

85% of all statistics are totally made up

Stoogie

savagethegoat wrote: »

85% of all statistics are totally made up

Source?

El_Duderino 09

NCT is about safety. It's a testament to the government's that they haven't tried to turn in into a cash cow.

The point isn't to raise revenue, it's to raise safety standards.

cplwhisper

I've only had 2 customers declare Nct penalty points out of probably 5000 customers dealt with in last year so they may not be getting prosecuted in court but fines only..

Stoogie

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

NCT is about safety. It's a testament to the government's that they haven't tried to turn in into a cash cow.

The point isn't to raise revenue, it's to raise safety standards.

ah, its both

Special Circumstances

7000 per month?


Ain't nobody got time for that paperwork.

Stheno

It's a sixty Euro fine and three points at the moment

Atlantic Dawn

Stheno wrote: »

It's a sixty Euro fine and three points at the moment

Your right, didn't know there was.

So each month they take in €420k from it, nice little earner.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Point%20offences%20as%20of%2017%20April%202016.pdf

savagethegoat

Stoogie wrote: »

Source?

a bloke in the pub told me

LollipopJimmy

savagethegoat wrote: »

85% of all statistics are totally made up

60% of people know this

uck51js9zml2yt

savagethegoat wrote: »

a bloke in the pub told me

Thats ok, it must be true

carzony

I think the nct is a great service for the money. It will eventually become a money racket like most thing here though.

minikin

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

savagethegoat wrote: »

85% of all statistics are totally made up

60% of people know this

Only 42% of them report it.

Special Circumstances

carzony wrote: »

I think the nct is a great service for the money. It will eventually become a money racket like most thing here though.

Before or after they start actual diesel emissions / emissions equipment checks :pac: ?

ejabrod

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

NCT is about safety. It's a testament to the government's that they haven't tried to turn in into a cash cow.

The point isn't to raise revenue, it's to raise safety standards.

Nearly fell off the chair laughing when I read that.

BronsonTB

Hard to justify the NCT now that even insurance companies aren't covering 15 year old cars anymore. (Even if they have a clean pass rate)

Special Circumstances

BronsonTB wrote: »

Hard to justify the NCT now that even insurance companies aren't covering 15 year old cars anymore. (Even if they have a clean pass rate)

FBD not covering over 10 years. Round up them bangers and crush em, our overlords have spoken!

El_Duderino 09

ejabrod wrote:

Nearly fell off the chair laughing when I read that.

Cynical.

The OP is complaining that the government isn't raising revenue from the NCT and you nearly fell off the chair laughing at the idea that it's not being used as a cash cow.

NCT is primarily about raising vehicle standards. It achieves it's primary objective.

El_Duderino 09

Special Circumstances wrote:

FBD not covering over 10 years. Round up them bangers and crush em, our overlords have spoken!

That's an insurance problem rather than an NCT problem though.

Cheensbo

It says 7,000 anpr "detections" on the advert, i suppose that doesn't necessarily mean they act on it, feckin thing is probably flashing and beeping at them so much they ignore it at the best of times.

ejabrod

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Cynical.

The OP is complaining that the government isn't raising revenue from the NCT and you nearly fell off the chair laughing at the idea that it's not being used as a cash cow.

NCT is primarily about raising vehicle standards. It achieves it's primary objective.

Niave.

Of course it's being used as a cash cow. it is a mandatory test.

It also states that this is a reflection of the state of the car on the day of the test, nothing more.

I have recently NCT'd 3 cars. the most recent had a rear upper arm boot that was perished and a front inner tie rod that was badly worn as well as a few other things and the car passed - it shouldn't have.

The NCT is no more about safety than the speed vans are.

laoisfan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Cynical.

The OP is complaining that the government isn't raising revenue from the NCT and you nearly fell off the chair laughing at the idea that it's not being used as a cash cow.

NCT is primarily about raising vehicle standards. It achieves it's primary objective.

3 years ago the sister-in-law brought her car in for the NCT. Passed with flying colors. No sooner had she pulled out of the NCT center the exhaust fell off.

Vehicle standards my ar$e!!!

angryIreGamer

7000 seems really high. is that backed up by anything other than radio ads? I googled and looked at the RSA site and found nothing about it.

Atlantic Dawn

angryIreGamer wrote: »

7000 seems really high. is that backed up by anything other than radio ads? I googled and looked at the RSA site and found nothing about it.

No I checked the site and nothing there but as it's an advert they would have to have figures to back it up.

El_Duderino 09

ejabrod wrote:

Of course it's being used as a cash cow. it is a mandatory test.

By the government?

El_Duderino 09

ejabrod wrote:

I have recently NCT'd 3 cars. the most recent had a rear upper arm boot that was perished and a front inner tie rod that was badly worn as well as a few other things and the car passed - it shouldn't have.

laoisfan wrote:

3 years ago the sister-in-law brought her car in for the NCT. Passed with flying colors. No sooner had she pulled out of the NCT center the exhaust fell off.

If it was just a cash cow, wouldn't they have failed you both to milk you another day?

It's not perfect but I'm glad it's in place. Imagine the standards of dangerous bangers that would be driven around if not for the standards imposed by actually testing cars.

Government us a thankless job. You identify a problem with vehicle safety and the deaths that result and people complain that nothing is being done so you solve the problem. Then people forget there was ever a problem and complain about the solution as bring a pointless cash cow.

outinthefields

Not to mention that 3 points on the licence bumps up insurance by 100 euros. It's not a cash cow it's a whole heard of cattle.

uck51js9zml2yt

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If it was just a cash cow, wouldn't they have failed you both to milk you another day?

It's not perfect but I'm glad it's in place. Imagine the standards of dangerous bangers that would be driven around if not for the standards imposed by actually testing cars.

Government us a thankless job. You identify a problem with vehicle safety and the deaths that result and people complain that nothing is being done so you solve the problem. Then people forget there was ever a problem and complain about the solution as bring a pointless cash cow.

Who do you think you are...coming on here and talking sense...it's not on


PS I totally agree

Atlantic Dawn

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's not perfect but I'm glad it's in place. Imagine the standards of dangerous bangers that would be driven around if not for the standards imposed by actually testing cars.

Government us a thankless job. You identify a problem with vehicle safety and the deaths that result and people complain that nothing is being done so you solve the problem. Then people forget there was ever a problem and complain about the solution as bring a pointless cash cow.

Exactly, for anyone who doubts it have a look tonight when your out driving, try to count 10 cars in a row with 2 correctly working and focused headlights in a row, you will have extreme difficulty. I can imagine how much worse it would be with no test in place, people wouldn't have the lights looked at until both were out as they would do zero maintenance on their cars.

Cheensbo

"It's not great, but it sure is better than nothing"



Lots of people don't seem to remember that there was some pretty special death traps on the road before it came in, I know because I used to be transported around in them.

Yokes held together with baling twine and crap backyard arc welded steel filling holes here there and everywhere (if they even bothreed)

My aunt had a mini that could be better described as a collinder, the whole thing used to crumple and fold as you went around bends.

If nothing else, the nct keeps the downright dangerous shít off the roads. It also forces people to give their car an annual "service"

millington

Ever since they introduced the FCPN for no NCT it has dramatically increased the amount of people worried about having no NCT. Cars with no test have become nigh on impossible to sell.

Before this it was an extremely rare occurence for a Garda to go to the hassle of bringing someone to court over it, and 5 points was also a bit harsh. Being booked in used to be as good as having test to most people.


The NCT itself is subjective. Sometimes they might miss things, somethings they fail you on ridiculous things but I don't see anyone here with a better idea or doing it better themselves.

uck51js9zml2yt

millington wrote: »

Ever since they introduced the FCPN for no NCT it has dramatically increased the amount of people worried about having no NCT. Cars with no test have become nigh on impossible to sell.

Before this it was an extremely rare occurence for a Garda to go to the hassle of bringing someone to court over it, and 5 points was also a bit harsh. Being booked in used to be as good as having test to most people.


The NCT itself is subjective. Sometimes they might miss things, somethings they fail you on ridiculous things but I don't see anyone here with a better idea or doing it better themselves.

Certain things are not subjective. Readings and pass levels are set in stone.
Missing something or failing a visual is down to the operator opinion can hopefully experience.
I'd rather see a subjective failure with a fix than a subjective pass which is a death trap.

Sue Pa Key Pa

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone hear that new radio ad campaign from the RSA, Apparently 7,000 cars a month are caught driving with no NCT, surely that's a massive cash cow the government could tap in to and say a €100 on the spot fine would give a nice €700,000 a month to the country.

So 7,000 cars are detected a month, not having undertaken a very basic roadworthy test and insurers are starting to avoid covering older cars!!!

I wonder if there is a link between the 2, given that insurers will have to pay a 3rd party (which includes passengers in the car without the NCT) regardless of whether or not it is roadworthy. Food for thought

whisky_galore

Cheensbo wrote: »

"It's not great, but it sure is better than nothing"



Lots of people don't seem to remember that there was some pretty special death traps on the road before it came in, I know because I used to be transported around in them.

Yokes held together with baling twine and crap backyard arc welded steel filling holes here there and everywhere (if they even bothreed)

My aunt had a mini that could be better described as a collinder, the whole thing used to crumple and fold as you went around bends.

If nothing else, the nct keeps the downright dangerous shít off the roads. It also forces people to give their car an annual "service"

TBF, most of the cars knocking around then were a lot more prone to the 'rust worm' than today's models, money was scarce, there were far fewer cars and speeds were lower.

It was reckoned than one of Renault's offerings of the past was so bad you could actually hear it rusting.

IMHO the benefits of NCT outweigh the alternative, chancers with far more dangerous death traps on far busier roads travelling at way higher speeds.

carzony

The FCPN is actually 'handier' for anyone who wants to go around with no nct imo..

I'd prefer get stopped, fined and points rather than take the day off and have to go infront of a judge.

grogi

ejabrod wrote: »

Niave.

Of course it's being used as a cash cow. it is a mandatory test.

It also states that this is a reflection of the state of the car on the day of the test, nothing more.

I have recently NCT'd 3 cars. the most recent had a rear upper arm boot that was perished and a front inner tie rod that was badly worn as well as a few other things and the car passed - it shouldn't have.

The NCT is no more about safety than the speed vans are.

If it was a cash cow, your car wouldn't pass. Even a perfect car would not pass.

The NCT is about making an annual effort in car maintenance. Fixing the lights, breaks, tyres etc. Nothing more, nothing less.


Think about the money you spend on the test it in a slightly different way:
- how long does an average test take
- how much does a tester make during that time (before taxes)
- how much does the equipment to make the test cost
- how much does the building rent and maintenance cost
- how much are the additional costs, such as administrative staff, IT systems, electricity etc.

It does not look like a money drain to me...

grogi

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

So 7,000 cars are detected a month, not having undertaken a very basic roadworthy test and insurers are starting to avoid covering older cars!!!

I wonder if there is a link between the 2, given that insurers will have to pay a 3rd party (which includes passengers in the car without the NCT) regardless of whether or not it is roadworthy. Food for thought

I will not ever forget a poster here...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=100468511

If that's an attitude, I am not surprised.

sunnysoutheast

Got the front pads and discs changed on our F30 last week. Was talking to someone in work "oh did it fail the nct then?" Errm no just maintenance......

Should be yearly like the MOT. Only time many people take any notice of roadworthiness.

colm_mcm

Didn't read the whole thread, but the ad says 7,000 cars detected with no nct rather than prosecuted.

millington

carzony wrote: »

The FCPN is actually 'handier' for anyone who wants to go around with no nct imo..

I'd prefer get stopped, fined and points rather than take the day off and have to go infront of a judge.

It's really not handier because the Gardai are actually enforcing it. It was very rare for anyone to end up in court over it before. I think the Gardai themselves thought the mandatory 5 points on conviction was a bit much but now 3 is OK.

grogi

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Got the front pads and discs changed on our F30 last week. Was talking to someone in work "oh did it fail the nct then?" Errm no just maintenance......

Should be yearly like the MOT. Only time many people take any notice of roadworthiness.

MOT is done by garages, so are in a position to push a few fixes that are not really necessary...

I really prefer the NCT centres. They really have no incentive to fail a good car.

Special Circumstances

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

So 7,000 cars are detected a month, not having undertaken a very basic roadworthy test and insurers are starting to avoid covering older cars!!!

I wonder if there is a link between the 2, given that insurers will have to pay a 3rd party (which includes passengers in the car without the NCT) regardless of whether or not it is roadworthy. Food for thought

This ad only seems to have appeared AFTER insurance companies decided NCTs on 10+year old cars were worthless. I wonder if there is a link between less insurance companies insuring older cars, and the higher premiums with those that do... and less money to ensure a valid NCT. Thought for food.

NIMAN

I heard this ad this morning and was wondering if anyone knows the truth about the fine?

They word it that if you are stopped you are liable to a fine.
Does this mean if an automatic camera detects you on the road you aren't issued with a fine, it takes a Guard to stop you to get the fine?

Cheensbo

NIMAN wrote: »

Does this mean if an automatic camera detects you on the road you aren't issued with a fine, it takes a Guard to stop you to get the fine?

Absolutely yes, the anpr just detects, the gardai within must stop & process the offending vehicle.

NIMAN

Thats shocking.
Can it not be automated, catch and fine all the offenders?

Cheensbo

NIMAN wrote: »

Thats shocking.
Can it not be automated, catch and fine all the offenders?

Nope, because it cannot tell if someone is on the way to nct/other circumstances where an exemption is allowed

grogi

Cheensbo wrote: »

Nope, because it cannot tell if someone is on the way to nct/other circumstances where an exemption is allowed

Don't complicate what is easy...

It does not need to happen online, it would be trivial to cross-check those records against NCT booking and attendance database...

Cheensbo

grogi wrote: »

Don't complicate what is easy...

It does not need to happen online, it would be trivial to cross-check those records against NCT booking and attendance database...

And what about all of the possible places that someone could be getting repairs carried out??


It wouldn't work, too many variables.