Doctors charges

meeeeh

antix80 wrote: »

On the bright side the kid you're fostering will net you €352 a week tax-free. Plus child benefit.

So, swings and roundabouts.

Oh yeah kids don't cost any money and take no time. Sure those five-year olds take care of themselves.

That is a typical small minded begrudgery. I bet you wouldn't foster a child if they would pay you three times as much but all you manage are nasty remarks how much someone else will be getting.

davo10

antix80 wrote: »

Worth noting the €100 fee may include VAT at 23%.

No vat on professional medical fees.

dudara

Posters - take it easy on the personal digs please. A few posts here are crossing boundaries. Stick to offering constructive advice to the OP.

dudara

antix80

davo10 wrote: »

No vat on professional medical fees.

This type of fee is vatable.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/leaflets/medical-services.html

davo10

antix80 wrote: »

This type of fee is vatable.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/leaflets/medical-services.html

Filling out a report is not subject to vat.

Turtle_

Actually this is disgraceful. If people are taking a needy child into their home and providing them with a safe and caring environment then they shouldn't be out of pocket by that much on an annual basis to have a simple checkup and form filled out that allows them to continue to care for the child. The state ought to be covering that cost.

OP, can you apply for a welfare special grant? The cwo or whatever they're now being called might be able to cover all or part of it. Maybe try the svdp if not?

antix80

davo10 wrote: »

Filling out a report is not subject to vat.

Read the link
Medical Reports for Statutory Purposes e.g. fitness to drive certificates, fitness reports on prospective adopters Standard Rate

Turtle_

antix80 wrote: »

Read the link
Medical Reports for Statutory Purposes e.g. fitness to drive certificates, fitness reports on prospective adopters Standard Rate

I'd say it's €85 ex-VAT...

davo10

antix80 wrote: »

Read the link
Medical Reports for Statutory Purposes e.g. fitness to drive certificates, fitness reports on prospective adopters Standard Rate

I read the link and I fill out reports of this type, there is no vat charged, it comes under professional fees and is taxed as professional income at a higher rate. Even if vat was charged, it would make no difference to what the op is being charged.

antix80

davo10 wrote: »

I read the link and I fill out reports of this type, there is no vat charged, it comes under professional fees and is taxed as professional income at a higher rate. Even if vat was charged, it would make no difference to what the op is being charged.

It's there in black & white! Besides i didnt say the op's gp charges vat. Just that they may be required to depending on business activities and levels of turnover.

davo10

antix80 wrote: »

It's there in black & white! Besides i didnt say the op's gp charges vat. Just that they may be required to depending on business activities and levels of turnover.

Sent you a PM regarding this, I don't want to derail thread.

MelachiT

antix80 wrote: »

On the bright side the kid you're fostering will net you €352 a week tax-free. Plus child benefit.

So, swings and roundabouts.

Only €325 per week as the child is under 12.

Op did you say you are already fostering the child? If so then the fostering allowance should cover the cost no problem.
But I do get your point, it is an extortionate amount to charge. I guess the only thing you can do it complain to the doctor himself.

L1011

davo10 wrote: »

I read the link and I fill out reports of this type, there is no vat charged, it comes under professional fees and is taxed as professional income at a higher rate. Even if vat was charged, it would make no difference to what the op is being charged.

You may be in for a shock in future

Revenue have targeted doctors who do abnormal amounts of reports as they are entirely VAT-able. Most would be under the threshold but some are not. Trauma specialists who do huge volumes of PIAB reports were the first targets

shamdrog63

Thanks folks for all your advice, even the unsympathetic begrudging ones.I seem to have generated a lively debate.I initially posted before I had cooled down and have subsequently discovered that TUSLA will refund this fee but I will not be swayed that charging €104.55 to fill out a 12 question form, with 9 of the answers being either a yes or no and the only task required is to take my blood pressure (which has rocketed) is exorbitant and it just as bad if they think sure its ok wont the taxpayer pick up the tab.I may as a medical card holder be some sort of subspecies in Antic80,s eyes "not to mention the joy of another medical card patient on his books," but I have worked and paid taxes for 35 years and abhor the culture that thinks that state money is there to be bled dry.

antix80

shamdrog63 wrote: »

.. but I will not be swayed that charging €104.55 to fill out a 12 question form, with 9 of the answers being either a yes or no and the only task required is to take my blood pressure (which has rocketed) is exorbitant and it just as bad if they think sure its ok wont the taxpayer pick up the tab..

Op, the irony here is you're begruding a taxpayer a modest professional fee of €100 while the actual costs of the placement run into hundreds of thousands of euros - including the medical report - all paid for out of public funds! Have some perspective!

shamdrog63

If you think the fee is justified then i think you would find in most reasonable peoples minds, that its you who is lacking in perspective.My partners doctor feels that she can perform the task for less than half what my doctor is seeking.

davo10

L1011 wrote: »

You may be in for a shock in future

Revenue have targeted doctors who do abnormal amounts of reports as they are entirely VAT-able. Most would be under the threshold but some are not. Trauma specialists who do huge volumes of PIAB reports were the first targets

Yip, heared that every year for the last 20 years. I wonder which Revenue would prefer, the higher rate of tax paid on professional fees income over the threshold, which lets be fair is every GP, or messing around with Vat on occasional reports?

Most GP's are not Vat registered.

L1011

davo10 wrote: »

Yip, heared that every year for the last 20 years. I wonder which Revenue would prefer, the higher rate of tax paid on professional fees income over the threshold, which lets be fair is every GP, or messing around with Vat on occasional reports?

Most GP's are not Vat registered.

The first enforcement I was aware of was in 2012, and I would have been aware if it was widespread at all back to 2007 - so very unlikely you've been hearing it for 20 years.

Most practices which would be liable (there is a VAT threshold, remember) are limited companies with salaried staff GPs, not sole traders so sole trader tax arrangements are irrelevant.

It would not be hard for a multi-GP practice of the scale quite common in Dublin these days to hit the VAT threshold at all when you look at the full scope of VAT-able fees - administrative charges for letters, eyesight reports, PIAB reports, etc, etc. None of these are considered professional fees by Revenue and yes, they do enforce this when they feel its worth it.

davo10

L1011 wrote: »

The first enforcement I was aware of was in 2012, and I would have been aware if it was widespread at all back to 2007 - so very unlikely you've been hearing it for 20 years.

Most practices which would be liable (there is a VAT threshold, remember) are limited companies with salaried staff GPs, not sole traders so sole trader tax arrangements are irrelevant.

It would not be hard for a multi-GP practice of the scale quite common in Dublin these days to hit the VAT threshold at all when you look at the full scope of VAT-able fees - administrative charges for letters, eyesight reports, PIAB reports, etc, etc. None of these are considered professional fees by Revenue and yes, they do enforce this when they feel its worth it.

Clear some space in your PM bank, I don't think anyone is interested in reading about this stuff, I tried to send you a PM but your storage is full.

Suffice to say, the vast majority of GPs are sole practitioners responsible for paying tax on their own fees, very, very few are salaried working for corporate business's, most are not vat registered so do not charge vat on services because almost all day to day services provided are vat exempt. Even large practices tend to be co-op's rather than single companies.

GerardKeating

shamdrog63 wrote: »

I am fostering a child and am required by TUSLA to complete a "Health Report" so I went to my GP with the form which requires him to answer 12 questions of a routine nature like "is the applicant in good health" or "is the applicant taking any form of regular medication".The only real question requiring him to do anything is t0 answer what height, weight I am plus my BMI and Blood Pressure.For this he requires payment of €104.55.I feel this is extortion.My partner had the same form filled out by her GP for €50.Who can I complain to?
I live in Drogheda by the way if anybody is curious.

But if both Doctors changed the same fee, you might be screaming "Price Fixing Cartel"..

What the cost of a "regular visit" between yours and your partners GP?