SFC Final Replay - Dublin v Mayo Sat 1st October *Read Mod Note Post #1*

PressRun

Peist2007 wrote: »

Seamie has been making stupid mistakes like yesterday all year. It's a running joke with my Mayo mates as to how damaging will Seamie's wastefulness cost us on a particular day. It's speed of thought more than anything. He really really cost us yesterday. We had wiped out the goal and got level and he gave it away incredibly cheaply when momentum was with us. We were back a couple down and then he did the exact same thing when we were level again. Criminal at this level and i'd be dropping him for that.

His brother would want to be careful too. That shot on 73 mins was as big a me-me-me moment from a Mayo footballer as i can remember. I would be spitting bile about the O'Shea's today if COC hadnt subsequently stepped up.

I would drop Seamie on account of his wastefulness too. He's always at it and has been generally pretty poor all year, but yesterday was unbelievable at certain points. He always seems to **** up at crucial moments too. He should have been subbed much sooner, imo, and should not start the next day. That said, who replaces him? Barry Moran is not mobile enough, imo.

seligehgit

I watched the game back... Aidan O Shea had a very poor day out,spilled an awful lot of ball inside.Criminally poor option taking that shot on in injury whilst we were chasing the game.We've mentioned ad nauseum the fact he shouldn't be let near frees or sideline balls.Mind boggling decision to take that sideline ball and pump a hail mary inside.Two occasions where keeping possession until we worked a better shooting position was essential.

blue4ever

skywanderer wrote: »

The GAA happy to nail the Mayo supporters in the stands whilst helping the Dublin fairweather supporters who inhabit their spiritual home on Hill-16.

Hill is always cheaper and proper order really.

There were a fair body of "fairweather" Mayo supporters on the hill yesterday so I think you've got that wrong.

callaway92

Why is there not any big issue of the fact that there were 7 mins of injury time? Honestly, where do they pluck these numbers out of??

DDC1990

callaway92 wrote: »

Why is there not any big issue of the fact that there were 7 mins of injury time? Honestly, where do they pluck these numbers out of??

30 seconds per sub - 5 minutes.

Other injuries and stoppages - 2 minutes.

Simple.

Stoner

callaway92 wrote:

Why is there not any big issue of the fact that there were 7 mins of injury time? Honestly, where do they pluck these numbers out of??

They are giving 30 seconds per sub now it's adding about 6 minutes to the games now minimum

callaway92

But it's totally wrong. In 35 mins of football there was not even near 7 minutes of stoppages.

DDC1990

callaway92 wrote: »

But it's totally wrong. In 35 mins of football there was not even near 7 minutes of stoppages.

The ball is in play for an average of 34 minutes per 70 minute game.

7 minutes of stoppages is a conservative amount of additional time.

TITANIUM.

The extra time is now judged according to substitutions bookings and misc time wasting etc. With most teams making all there substitutions in the 2nd half you will always have allot more injury time in the 2nd half as opposed to the first. 7 minutes was fair imho.

callaway92

Mind boggling

We never see this much added time and yet people seem fine with it.

Right

DDC1990

callaway92 wrote: »

Mind boggling

We never see this much added time and yet people seem fine with it.

Right

Have you watched any Gaelic Football games this year?

Not trying to be a prick, but a genuine question.

Literally every single match Minor or Senior I have been to this year has had a minimum of 4 minutes added on.

Kerry Minors were 20 points or so ahead of Kildare and the referee still played 7 minutes of injury time.

jive

Dublin by 10.

Need to sort out their kick outs though. Mayo should really push up and pressure the kick out, Cluxton once Dublins strong point is now a very obvious weakness. Weather proved a good leveller the last day. Hope Mayo do it but feel their chance is gone, they had every chance to kill that game the last day but just do not have the bottle.

jive

DDC1990 wrote: »

Have you watched any Gaelic Football games this year?

Not trying to be a prick, but a genuine question.

Literally every single match Minor or Senior I have been to this year has had a minimum of 5 minutes added on.

Kerry Minors were 20 points or so ahead of Kildare and the referee still played 7 minutes of injury time.

Yeah don't know how people are cribbing about it, it's the new cool thing in GAA.

Hammer Archer

callaway92 wrote: »

Mind boggling

We never see this much added time and yet people seem fine with it.

Right

Rock took over 2 minutes to take a 45 in the second half. Lane specifically gestured that he was adding the time.

80s Child

Does Rock take an awful amount of time for each free?

I remember Maurice Sheridan was clocked at 26 seconds or something from when he put the ball on the ground, but Rock seems to take an eternity!

km79

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Rock took over 2 minutes to take a 45 in the second half. Lane specifically gestured that he was adding the time.

Lane should have thrown the ball up for that one . It was ridiculous BUT I turned to my mate and said at the time would it be awful funny if we scored late into a rake of injury time ..........Dublin can have no complaints on the amount of added time .

km79

Will mayo get the home dressing room and warm up in front of the Hill Saturday week? As its a replay id assume that's what the protocol will be

mrm

callaway92 wrote: »

Mind boggling

We never see this much added time and yet people seem fine with it.

Right

What specifically is your problem with the added time? It was given equally to both teams, on the same pitch with the same ball and ref (but home-field advantage to Dublin. Oops, I was on a good run there)! Was the game not blown up at the opportune time for you to 'hand' Dublin a win? After Mayo made it 12 a piece in the 63min this 'GOAT' Dublin side scored in the 65, 67 and 68 mins to go three up, with Mayo pulling one back at 69mins. Dublin (as with a lot of games over their last few pro years) were finishing as the strongest side.

Maybe the real problem is the 7 minutes from 38 - 45 mins within which Mayo leveled from 5 down, once again showing that Dublin have significant slack periods during big games this championship (that Kerry game slumber is worrying). Maybe you should consider contesting these 7 minutes also!

Or maybe being a point up with 30 seconds to go and one of the best Dublin players (Connolly) on this GOAT team (ergo making him one of the greatest of all time?) fights a team mate to go for glory instead of retaining the ball (which normally Dublin have demonstrated great composure re end game ball retention over last few years).

GOAT team, with the best player giving back possession so stupidly at end game stage - unlike the extra time something here really doesn't add up! Another game this championship in which I'm still not convinced by this Dublin team.

Really looking forward to the replay. Have loved the Dublin Mayo games over the last decade!

Gungadin

km79 wrote: »

Will mayo get the home dressing room and warm up in front of the Hill Saturday week? As its a replay id assume that's what the protocol will be

I believe its done in alphabetical order with the team getting the home advantage plus the hill. Just happens that Ath Cliath trumps Mhaoigh Eo all the time.

Apparently they came up with this idea post 06 'mill on the hill'.
Another one to keep the conspiracy theorists going.

km79

Gungadin wrote: »

I believe its done in alphabetical order with the team getting the home advantage plus the hill. Just happens that Ath Cliath trumps Mhaoigh Eo all the time.

Apparently they came up with this idea post 06 'mill on the hill'.
Another one to keep the conspiracy theorists going.

I understand that but I would assume for a replay that in the interest of fair play everything would be reversed

Paulzx

km79 wrote: »

I understand that but I would assume for a replay that in the interest of fair play everything would be reversed

It needs a two thirds majority at Congress and has to be proposed by 5 dead Ex Presidents, seconded by 10 Mayomen with All Ireland medals and thirded(is that a word?) by 10 Dubs that know the difference between a bull and a bullock.


I think we have a problem......

km79

I forgot to comment on something actually that was very noticeable again yday.
There is a great mutual respect amongst both sets of supporters . I had my fill of "up the dubs " by the time I got to the ground alright but in the pub before and after and in the stand during there was great respect shown for opposing supporters and most players !
Great to be part of a day like that
I can't speak for what it was like on the Hill/Nally but would be hoping it was simailar and see no reason why it wasn't
Well done all !

elguapo

I keep hearing and reading that "Dublin can't be as bad again". Presumably this means the forwards, because their midfield and defence performed pretty well. Personally, I think their forwards will struggle again.

Mayo's defenders match up very well against them, and I'd expect them to be just as tight next time out. Brogan and Flynn are misfiring in general, McManamon and Connolly were well shackled, Rock was anonymous and Kilkenny is piling up possession stats but doing little with it. Andrews did well initially when he came on, but he was quiet in the second half, Mannion was buzzing around the place but again very little end product. I think Mayo will bring the same intensity if not more in the replay, and I don't see where Dublin's big improvement up front is going to come from.

Gungadin

elguapo wrote: »

I keep hearing and reading that "Dublin can't be as bad again". Presumably this means the forwards, because their midfield and defence performed pretty well. Personally, I think their forwards will struggle again.

Mayo's defenders match up very well against them, and I'd expect them to be just as tight next time out. Brogan and Flynn are misfiring in general, McManamon and Connolly were well shackled, Rock was anonymous and Kilkenny is piling up possession stats but doing little with it. Andrews did well initially when he came on, but he was quiet in the second half, Mannion was buzzing around the place but again very little end product. I think Mayo will bring the same intensity if not more in the replay, and I don't see where Dublin's big improvement up front is going to come from.

Thats all very true and still Dublin were only 30 seconds from another All Ireland.
Did Cluxton have to make a save?
Looking forward to round 2 where winner takes all.

elguapo

Gungadin wrote: »

Thats all very true and still Dublin were only 30 seconds from another All Ireland.
Did Cluxton have to make a save?
Looking forward to round 2 where winner takes all.

Dublin could very well win the game, they have a better midfield and excellent backs, but I don't see their forwards doing much more damage than they did yesterday.
Think Cluxton made one save from an Aidan O'Shea flick on, but in general Dublin were rock solid at the back, serious defensive performance by both teams.

Gungadin

All I would hope for is a marked improvement from the Dublin team.

BonnieSituation

km79 wrote: »

I understand that but I would assume for a replay that in the interest of fair play everything would be reversed

Do you think it really matters?

km79

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Do you think it really matters?

Haha no to be honest
I was half messing

callaway92

DDC1990 wrote: »

Have you watched any Gaelic Football games this year?

Not trying to be a prick, but a genuine question.

Literally every single match Minor or Senior I have been to this year has had a minimum of 4 minutes added on.

Kerry Minors were 20 points or so ahead of Kildare and the referee still played 7 minutes of injury time.

Ya I watch a lot in fairness and I think the time added in the final was a farce

Blud

Gungadin wrote: »

I believe its done in alphabetical order with the team getting the home advantage plus the hill. Just happens that Ath Cliath trumps Mhaoigh Eo all the time.

Apparently they came up with this idea post 06 'mill on the hill'.
Another one to keep the conspiracy theorists going.

Again, what about when they played An Mhi and An Ciarrai this year?

Gael85

km79 wrote: »

I forgot to comment on something actually that was very noticeable again yday.
There is a great mutual respect amongst both sets of supporters . I had my fill of "up the dubs " by the time I got to the ground alright but in the pub before and after and in the stand during there was great respect shown for opposing supporters and most players !
Great to be part of a day like that
I can't speak for what it was like on the Hill/Nally but would be hoping it was simailar and see no reason why it wasn't
Well done all !

I was on hill in middle of Mayo supporters and we had a great time. Plenty of banter and no bad blood. Its a pity some keyboard warriors from both counties clogging this thread with crap.I suppose they have to get their kicks. Both teams played on the edge and will have players that opposition supporters don't like but at the end day its only a game and we look forward to renewing rivalries Saturday week.

km79

Gael85 wrote: »

I was on hill in middle of Mayo supporters and we had a great time. Plenty of banter and no bad blood. Its a pity some keyboard warriors from both counties clogging this thread with crap.I suppose they have to get their kicks. Both teams played on the edge and will have players that opposition supporters don't like but at the end day its only a game and we look forward to renewing rivalries Saturday week.

Well said

corny

elguapo wrote: »

I keep hearing and reading that "Dublin can't be as bad again". Presumably this means the forwards, because their midfield and defence performed pretty well. Personally, I think their forwards will struggle again.

Mayo's defenders match up very well against them, and I'd expect them to be just as tight next time out. Brogan and Flynn are misfiring in general, McManamon and Connolly were well shackled, Rock was anonymous and Kilkenny is piling up possession stats but doing little with it. Andrews did well initially when he came on, but he was quiet in the second half, Mannion was buzzing around the place but again very little end product. I think Mayo will bring the same intensity if not more in the replay, and I don't see where Dublin's big improvement up front is going to come from.

Surely you'd concede a lot of the Dublin forwards have good records against Mayo, Brogan, KMc, Andrews for example, and poor performances like that are out of the ordinary. Mayo have the same defenders who've lost match ups against these lads in the past. Add in the fact its the one area Dublin have proven options and it really isn't a stretch to say Dublin should improve as a forward unit. Its not a given but they should.

The conditions gave defenders a big advantage yesterday on both sides.

corny

km79 wrote: »

Well said

What are you taking about you're the keyboard warrior he was referring to.:)

mrm

corny wrote: »

Surely you'd concede a lot of the Dublin forwards have good records against Mayo, Brogan, KMc, Andrews for example, and poor performances like that are out of the ordinary. Mayo have the same defenders who've lost match ups against these lads in the past. Add in the fact its the one area Dublin have proven options and it really isn't a stretch to say Dublin should improve as a forward unit. Its not a given but they should.

The conditions gave defenders a big advantage yesterday on both sides.

There is no question that we have seen this Dublin forward unit looking better, even against this 'same' set of Mayo backs but those same Mayo backs seem to be so focused this year on counteracting Dublins forwards I feel that is the biggest improvement we have seen from the perspective of both teams.

Also what would you quantify as an improved performance from Dublins forwards next game? 6 points would be a decent additional tally, but will they be gifted with 2 goals next game? All hard to call. Also don't think Brogan is the player he was when he last damaged Mayo (same maybe for KMc). Keegan marking Connolly out of the game does disrupt the Dublin forward unit significantly.

corny

mrm wrote: »

There is no question that we have seen this Dublin forward unit looking better, even against this 'same' set of Mayo backs but those same Mayo backs seem to be so focused this year on counteracting Dublins forwards I feel that is the biggest improvement we have seen from the perspective of both teams.

Also what would you quantify as an improved performance from Dublins forwards next game? 6 points would be a decent additional tally, but will they be gifted with 2 goals next game? All hard to call. Also don't think Brogan is the player he was when he last damaged Mayo (same maybe for KMc). Keegan marking Connolly out of the game does disrupt the Dublin forward unit significantly.

All bull****. Stick with it though.

mrm

corny wrote: »

All bull****. Stick with it though.

OK I'll concede. You brought up a very good past tense 'have' played better scenario. NOT bull****. Stick with it though! Brogan was sh*t - not the same player he was (I don't need to ask you to concede this one, evidence is sufficient).

Next game you will not be gifted with a significant amount of scores provided by the opposition nor a ref who did his best to keep you in a semi final game that was slipping away from you! 9 scores in an All Ireland final - you only have a replay due to pure luck! No evidence based on the semi or last weeks game that you wont need it again!

BTW - impeccable manners with your (well crafted evidence based) response! My apologies for attempting to conduct a discussion with your good self!

corny

mrm wrote: »

OK I'll concede. You brought up a very good past tense 'have' played better scenario. NOT bull****. Stick with it though! Brogan was sh*t - not the same player he was (I don't need to ask you to concede this one, evidence is sufficient).

Next game you will not be gifted with a significant amount of scores provided by the opposition nor a ref who did his best to keep you in a semi final game that was slipping away from you! 9 scores in an All Ireland final - you only have a replay due to pure luck! No evidence based on the semi or last weeks game that you wont need it again!

BTW - impeccable manners with your (well crafted evidence based) response! My apologies for attempting to conduct a discussion with your good self!

Judging by the countless comments on here i think you lot are just happy you can talk yourselves up again. Not interested in your one-upmanship.

elguapo

corny wrote: »

Surely you'd concede a lot of the Dublin forwards have good records against Mayo, Brogan, KMc, Andrews for example, and poor performances like that are out of the ordinary. Mayo have the same defenders who've lost match ups against these lads in the past. Add in the fact its the one area Dublin have proven options and it really isn't a stretch to say Dublin should improve as a forward unit. Its not a given but they should.

The conditions gave defenders a big advantage yesterday on both sides.

They have performed well against Mayo in the past, but that was then and this is now. Players go in and out of form. Brogan and Flynn are out of form, Mayo's defenders seem to be in form. McManamon might not even start, Connolly and Keegan are evenly matched. They might improve as a unit, but I have my doubts.
As for conditions, it might rain on October 1st as well!

corny

elguapo wrote: »

They have performed well against Mayo in the past, but that was then and this is now. Players go in and out of form. Brogan and Flynn are out of form, Mayo's defenders seem to be in form. McManamon might not even start, Connolly and Keegan are evenly matched. They might improve as a unit, but I have my doubts.
As for conditions, it might rain on October 1st as well!

So you're effectively ignoring the past. I can't prove you wrong obviously but i think thats foolish.

kilns

If any Mayo fan cant concede that Dublin underperformed then unfortunately they do not know much about football.

However the reasons why they underperformed are varied. One factor is the pressure Mayo put on Dublin all over the pitch. The other is the weather which acted nearly as a 7th defender for Mayo. Thirdly, in general all the Dublin forwards made poor choices and did not play to the best of their abilities.

Thats not to say Mayo performed at 100% either. Up front they too were poor enough and the two O Sheas were also poor performers on the day

Any geniune Mayo fan will be both optimistic and fearful for the replay. Optimistic because they know if they get the luck this time they could win. Fearful in the fact that if Dublin improve by 10% then no doubt Dublin will win

Gungadin

Blud wrote: »

Again, what about when they played An Mhi and An Ciarrai this year?

I don't really know or care. Just relaying how its supposedly organised as stated by some sports commentator last week.

seligehgit

kilns wrote: »

If any Mayo fan cant concede that Dublin underperformed then unfortunately they do not know much about football.

However the reasons why they underperformed are varied. One factor is the pressure Mayo put on Dublin all over the pitch. The other is the weather which acted nearly as a 7th defender for Mayo. Thirdly, in general all the Dublin forwards made poor choices and did not play to the best of their abilities.

Thats not to say Mayo performed at 100% either. Up front they too were poor enough and the two O Sheas were also poor performers on the day

Any geniune Mayo fan will be both optimistic and fearful for the replay. Optimistic because they know if they get the luck this time they could win. Fearful in the fact that if Dublin improve by 10% then no doubt Dublin will win

Good reasoned post but very hard to quantify all those variables.TBH I hope it spills rain the next day and I'm dead serious.

Undoubtedly Dublin underperformed and Mayo may have played closer to their potential on the day but how does one quantify the differential in their relative abilities to improve?Mayo may be as tigerish in defence again,but two inevitable goals conceded.There was ball watching and failure to track the runners.Will those calamities replicate themselves Saturday week?

Both sides turned over a lot of ball.

The Dublin forwards undoubtedly can improve.The O Shea's were poor and there is possibly less margin for improvement in the Mayo forwards.I actually think it will come down to whither Mayo will believe in themselves come down the home stretch.

corny

seligehgit wrote: »

Good reasoned post but very hard to quantify all those variables.TBH I hope it spills rain the next day and I'm dead serious.

Undoubtedly Dublin underperformed and Mayo may have played closer to their potential on the day but how does one quantify the differential in their relative abilities to improve?Mayo may be as tigerish in defence again,but two inevitable goals conceded.There was ball watching and failure to track the runners.Will those calamities replicate themselves Saturday week?

Both sides turned over a lot of ball.

The Dublin forwards undoubtedly can improve.The O Shea's were poor and there is possibly less margin for improvement in the Mayo forwards.I actually think it will come down to whither Mayo will believe in themselves come down the home stretch.

Tbh i don't think thats an issue. They haven't got over the line in an All Ireland final but its never been because of the intangibles. Its the obvious stuff.
- Higgins, AOS, SOS, even Vaughan taking made shots from the 45.
- Some say it was bad luck conceding 2 own goals. Well it was inches away from being three og's. Fenton should have made it four and if Rock had seen Flynn open in the first half it would have been 5. For all their good defending they're still giving up gilt-edged goal chances.
- They're still wasting ball playing it high into the square. AOS is capable of good movement and winning it clean out in front. He's proven that. He's never proven he can do anything with the high ball in. Dublin crowd him out and it ends up in a turnover every time.

seligehgit

TBH anybody who believes that it was bad luck that resulted in the two goals conceded yesterday is only kidding themselves.It was only some goalkeeping and good fortune that prevented further goal concessions in the first half.

We are continuing to afford up guilt edged goal opportunities for all the curious talk of the quality defending.

The high ball into Aidan O Shea was a dismal failure but then again he was poor in general yesterday.He is capable of such much more but has yet to produce it on the greatest stage of all.

In terms of the intangibles I'm referencing our past inability to close out a contest whilst in front or take control of game when it is up for grabs in the latter stages.I think this is purely a mental thing.Control as opposed to panic,pushing on whence you've already demonstrated you are good enough to be in front.Continuing to be positive as opposed to going defensive.

In several contests against Dublin we have been at our best when have nothing to lose.

PressRun

The two own goals came from poor defending. The second one in particular, Colm Boyle was completely caught out and lost his man. Can't happen again.

Stoner

seligehgit wrote:

TBH anybody who believes that it was bad luck that resulted in the two goals conceded yesterday is only kidding themselves.It was only some goalkeeping and good fortune that prevented further goal concessions in the first half.

I still think we were blessed

Dirty Dingus McGee

PressRun wrote: »

The two own goals came from poor defending. The second one in particular, Colm Boyle was completely caught out and lost his man. Can't happen again.

Still bad luck though.

Players get caught out all the time in games they just don't happen to be misfortunate enough for the ball to rebound off them into the back of the net.

blue4ever

The past is the past - performances were disappointing in parts in both camps. There's two weeks to for a plan b.
Someone posted a interesting point earlier. I feel Jim Gavin is a very calculated thinker - will loyalty or form dominate his decisions as to the starting 15.
I watched the game last night again and it was a different one to the one I saw on the Hill - but that's always the case!!
Both sides would want to be careful with some off the ball marking or simple intrusions.
DC putting a hand on a face, as did his counterpart, might not be tolerated (maybe went unseen)
BB really didn't feature - feature the way the Dubs expect him to which is a different thing.
Start him or leave him on the bench till the last 15? - Memories of the 'impact' Canavan made (mentally) coming on as an impact sub.
Interesting one for Dublin.
I see the CCCC have been reported some issues about the tunnel and the run on to the pitch. Hopefully its just handbags stuff

DDC1990

I really don't know what John Casey was on about in his report.

There was no skepling or barging through fellas. Bastick shoved O'Shea, O'Shea shoved McAuley and both sides ran off to where they should be.

He went on about O'Connor, but Cillian actually slowed down coming out of the tunnel to avoid running into Mick Fitzsimons. It's clear from the pictures that O'Connor comes out to his right from the tunnel and slows down.

Also a Croke Park official in a white shirt actually waves the Mayo team into the tunnel. The idea that this was a planned ambush by Mayo is crazy.

It could have been avoided by ignoring the programme order and sending Mayo out first when Dublin over-ran their time. Perhaps Croke Park officials were worried Mayo might be tempted to go for the Hill in that situation.