My job is moving to Poland

Oswalder

I'm 12 years with my company and have been told that my team's jobs are going to be moved to Poland. Our jobs in Ireland are going to change a bit in the next 12 months as the work that the six of us do will be split up into different tasks that will make it easier then for it all to be offshored. So, the role that I've been doing for the last 5 years won't exactly be moving - but what I will now be transitioning to will move.

I'm trying not to take it personally. I know it is about money and cost savings. But I'm still getting a bit shaken & upset.

I've been told to look for a new role in the company. If they take my role away from the company here to the same company over there, are they actually making me redundant? One of my colleagues said that he thinks they don't want to pay us redundancy money. They just want us to move to new roles or else just leave.

What are our rights in this situation? Anyone been through this before?

livedadream

rights are simple,

you can look for and apply for a new role within the company,
or redundancy.

or look for a new job, most people will advise that after 12 years wait for redundancy.

CI do some good one pagers here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/redundancy/

the best way with theses situations becase no one here can know more than you do, is get your union (shudder) involved if you have one and if not get a couple of people together to approach HR or managment too see whats going on.

Oswalder

Thanks livedadream,

Can they get away with not offering us redundancy?

livedadream

Oswalder wrote: »

Thanks livedadream,

Can they get away with not offering us redundancy?

in all honesty without understanding what they are offering i cant advise.

and its not a case of getting away with, that says more about your attitude than theirs.

some people think that when a company offers redeployment its a way for them to ''get away'' with paying redundancy in real life its a way of keeping valued, experienced staff in a business and off the unemployment lines.

Oswalder

My last post may have been rushed

They're not actually offering anything or really saying very much at all; that's the problem. They are just asking people to look around for new roles. Some may leave and some of us will stay.

I'm just still not sure if jobs moving to another country is actually qualifies as making us in Ireland redundant or not. I just never saw this coming.

ETA - I guess it probably means that we are. It's just sinking in.... thanks.

livedadream

If the role no longer exists it is a situation for redundancy.
If they offer you a new role then you can enter into discussion with them
Your job moving to a new country and no longer existing here is grounds for redundancy
The key is not to panic. You've been there long enough to know the company so will know what they are like in regards to how they treat their employees

Borzoi

some people think that when a company offers redeployment its a way for them to ''get away'' with paying redundancy in real life its a way of keeping valued, experienced staff in a business and off the unemployment lines.

pfft, if they valued the experienced staff, they wouldn't be moving the job to Poland. This is a cost reduction exercise- pure and simple. if your company can avoid a redundancy package by transferring internally they will be delighted. But do equivalent positions exist? and are there openings?

I've seen this before where the internal transfer option only existed on paper or was going to be used to keep a small number of workers - all typically pre arranged by HR/management. And so the transfer distracts from negotiation of a good redundancy package. I dont know if this is the case here OP, just be aware.

If you are unhappy about the situation, and you don't have a union, consult a solicitor who specialises in employment law. best of luck.