Public service - didn't get job

MeatTwoVeg

How you react to your failures says more about you than how you react to your successes.
Very few careers are a constant procession of advancement. There will be setbacks and sideways moves along the way.

Mrs OBumble

Lux23 wrote: »

...My manager who interviewed me along with two others said I was ready, senior management are shocked I haven't progressed.

If you were ready, you wouldn't have f*cked up the interview.

If senior management really wanted you to get the job, they would have found a way to organise the marking so you got the job, no matter what happened in the interview. Worst case, they would just have not appointed and re-advertised.




Best of luck with progressing your career elsewhere, if progression is what what you really want to do.

Gungadin

Lux23 wrote: »

1. I am more qualified. (Their CV did not match up to mine, the interview panel hadn't selected anyone as qualified as me)
2. I am doing the job, understand the organisation very well.
3. It is less of a risk to promote internally especially when the role involves managing people and influencing senior members of staff.

So yes this decision is wrong and could be disastrous.

Its totally out of order if you've seen the other candidates CV or interview report card.

Big Bag of Chips

Lux23 wrote: »

3. It is less of a risk to promote internally especially when the role involves managing people and influencing senior members of staff.

So yes this decision is wrong and could be disastrous.

That's a matter of opinion. I know of many places where an outsider was brought in to a management position, over somebody who had been acting for quite some time. It was always thought to be for the best to bring in a fresh brain, and somebody who had no history, friendships or loyalties to existing staff members. Somebody who wouldn't be afraid to make changes and shake ups where necessary, and wouldn't be afraid of "stepping on a friend's toes". Not disregarding the fact that the outside person proved to be the best applicant for the job!

"Disastrous"?

Really?

oppenheimer1

NapoleonInRags wrote: »

Exactly as above. The practice of people getting a job because they are 'next in line', rather than on merit, was a major criticism of public sector recruitment for years and has happily ceased.

You agree that you didn't perform at interview on this occasion. So why not focus on improving this, rather than some half-baked appeal that has no grounds.

Since when?

Lux23

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Lux23 wrote: »

I work in the civil service at EO level for the last year and half.

Lux23 wrote: »

I only joined the public sector recently, but have been acting up for about seven months.

Lux23 wrote: »

3. It is less of a risk to promote internally especially when the role involves managing people and influencing senior members of staff.

So yes this decision is wrong and could be disastrous.

You're hardly in the door yourself, most of your relevant experience was from outside, just like the other candidate.
A few months internal experience doesn't make you so vital that failure to promote you will be disastrous.

Lux23

wench wrote: »

You're hardly in the door yourself, most of your relevant experience was from outside, just like the other candidate.
A few months internal experience doesn't make you so vital that failure to promote you will be disastrous.

Fair enough.

Ghekko

This happened a friend of mine who was acting as a team leader for some time. She didn't get the role but was subsequently asked to train in the person who did - to me that is an insult. So if this is expected of you I would kindly refrain and go back to the job you were doing before you were acting in that role.

Lux23

I don't know, that probably isn't fair on the new person, I think I would provide some support.

Big Bag of Chips

Lux23 wrote: »

I am devastated. And its not just a job, it was about my whole life. The money to buy a home, start a family all of these things are now out of reach for another couple of years and I just don't know how to pick myself back up from this. I am 34 and feel like I am running out of time. I thought about walking out in front of a car earlier, I am scaring myself that much.

Really, Lux, this is crazy. Surely you can see yourself that this is a wholly disproportionate reaction to a job.

Your boss was promoted in June, and in July you stepped into her old role. So you've been doing this job for 2 and a half months, tops. Before June you had no idea you were in line for this role. And now you are talking about your life being over, no children, no mortgage etc. You are catastrophising. And talk of walking under cars??

You really really need to go see your GP. This job won't stop you having a family or buying a house. I'm sure there are many of your colleagues who have children and a family home who earn less than you would do in this role. The fact that you are so devastated by a minor, temporary set back in your life would worry me. Speak to your GP. This is not a normal reaction.

Lux23

Its not a minor setback. Its a huge one at my stage in life. Please don't patronise me like that. And I don't actually have money to see a doctor. Dublin rents don't allow much wriggle room.

Big Bag of Chips

I'm not patronising you. I'm genuinely concerned that you pinned all your life plans on a position that you didn't know existed 3 months ago. What were your plans before that? If your boss hadn't been promoted in June what was your plan?

Really, Lux... I'm not patronising you, but a chat to your GP is definitely needed here.

Ursus Horribilis

How much of a jump in wages would this have been? I got promoted in the public service and my take home pay didn't change all that dramatically.

Tasden

Lux23 wrote: »

1. I am more qualified. (Their CV did not match up to mine, the interview panel hadn't selected anyone as qualified as me)
2. I am doing the job, understand the organisation very well.
3. It is less of a risk to promote internally especially when the role involves managing people and influencing senior members of staff.

So yes this decision is wrong and could be disastrous.

Op I understand how you feel as I've been there myself.
But first thing to remember is pretty much everyone is replaceable. Just because you are doing a job and doing it well does not mean you're the only one who can do it. I mean someone did it before you did right?
Being qualified means different things to different people, professional and academic can be worth less than the transferrable skills someone else has.
Internal and external applicants have pros and cons. You can't say that internal is automatically better just because they know the organisation or role.

I've been in the position where I got the job over the "shoe in" candidate. And everybody thought it was unfair etc. At the end of the day they didn't know anything about me. They had no idea whether it was the right decision or not. They made plenty of assumptions mind you. Don't come across as bitter, be the bigger person and welcome the new person. It's not nice for someone to come into a new job and have people assume you are not worthy of the job without even giving you a chance. I got my job on my own merits and my work proves it. If the new person isn't up to the job then you will be proven right eventually, if they are good then you're just going to have to accept that it was the right decision.

Avatar MIA

Lux23 wrote: »

Its not a minor setback. Its a huge one at my stage in life. Please don't patronise me like that. And I don't actually have money to see a doctor. Dublin rents don't allow much wriggle room.

If you're thinking of walking in front of cars and cannot afford a GP then there are free telephone helplines that can offer assistance.

Dodge

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You need to seek professional help. I'm not kidding. You were doing a job for a couple of months and because you missed out on a promotion, you considered suicide?

Honestly, you need help to work on this. best of luck

Jentle Grenade

What you really need to do for your own sanity is to let go of the idea that your managers etc are shocked/wanted you to get the job/will arrange something else. They're not shocked, they probably did genuinely want to give you a fair crack at it and they may or may not be trying to placate you by saying they'll find something else. For your own dignity and sanity you need to take this on the chin and move forward. I help a lot of people in distress with workplace grievances and this is often a huge sticking point for them. I make a decent chunk of my living off workplace situations like this but appealing in this scenario will only serve to damage you, your mental health and your work place reputation. Its a crap situation to be in, but you need to reassess your head space. If you're feeling extremely low, talk to someone. EAP would certainly help you in this situation.

dwayneshintzy

How much interaction have you had with the other candidate who got the job? And what occurred in this interaction to make you so certain that they are not as qualified as you, that their hiring could potentially prove "disastrous" and that rubbed you up in such a bad way that you legitimately hope they fail?

Ursus Horribilis

I think a phone call to the Employee Assistance people is the best course of action for now. They give help over the phone and also give free counselling etc

Avatar MIA

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

How much interaction have you had with the other candidate who got the job?

I think the thread has moved beyond this, tbh - read the most recent comments from the OP.

Big Bag of Chips

Lux, please follow this link to a sticky in the Personal issues forum, for information for distressed posters.

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057178293/1/#post89677352

I'm not sure if the turn2me contact is still available but all the other contacts should be good, and able to help you.

Lux23

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

I'm not patronising you. I'm genuinely concerned that you pinned all your life plans on a position that you didn't know existed 3 months. What were your plans before that? If your boss hadn't been promoted in June what was your plan?

Really, Lux... I'm not patronising you, but a chat to your GP is definitely needed here.

Its a little bit more complicated than that. Bosses boss left in April 2015, my boss got acting up towards end of the 2015 year and then I got acting up in Feb of this year. Boss got the official nod in June and this job went up in July.

My life plans are based on my earning potential unless I start earning more now then I can't get a mortgage, have a child. So here are my options.

1. Stay where I am and hope something else comes up soon
2. Start looking for a new job. This could take a couple of months at the very least, I would need one with maternity benefits (its a must, my partner earns a lot less). But if I got one, I am probably looking at waiting six months/a year while I work my probation before I can get maternity leave. So then I am nearly 36 and I could quite possibly have trouble getting pregnant.

Maybe I am an entitled idiot for expecting the standard of living that I have put in the work for.

Stheno

Op, please see your edited posts with information on where you can get advice and support considering the thoughts you are having.

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