Lawyer shoots 9 people in this weeks mass shooting.

BattleCorp

cdeb wrote: »

2,600 rounds of ammunition.

Whatever about a gun, what on earth do you be doing driving around with 2,600 rounds of ammunition?

I'd buy more than that at a time here in Ireland. It's not a huge amount by US standards.

Hande hoche!

cdeb wrote: »

2,600 rounds of ammunition.

Whatever about a gun, what on earth do you be doing driving around with 2,600 rounds of ammunition?

Seems to be a common trend with mass shooters. They purchase a quantity of ammunition, that they would have difficulty carrying let alone using.

BattleCorp

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Seems to be a common trend with mass shooters. They purchase a quantity of ammunition, that they would have difficulty carrying let alone using.

Assuming he could hold approximately 10 rounds per mag, he would have been able to reload 260 times. Yep, he was crazy if he thought he could do that. Even if there were no cops, his fingers would have fallen off by the time he reloaded that much.

cdeb

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd buy more than that at a time here in Ireland. It's not a huge amount by US standards.

Why though?

InTheTrees

BattleCorp wrote: »

But it's a very incorrect statement to say that guns are pretty much against the law here in Ireland.

Yes. I have a 17 year old relative in county cork who has a,semi automatic .22 rifle with telescopic sights and a silencer. All legal.

Even in the USA a silencer (or suppressor) is illegal in a lot if places.

BattleCorp

cdeb wrote: »

Why though?

Target shooting.

The number one reason is batch consistency. In simple terms, not all batches are all the same. They might vary slightly in weight, size, powder quality/quantity etc. This will impact on accuracy. In other words, where you aim might not be exactly where the bullet will go every time. If all your bullets are from the same batch, they will be more consistent and therefore hopefully more accurate.

Second of all is that I shoot a lot. I need lots of bullets for practice. I could shoot 500 rounds easily in a day at the range. At times I would shoot even more than that. 2600 rounds could be used up in a week if there was a big competition coming up.

Thirdly is economy of scale. If you buy a larger quantity, then you should be able to negotiate a better price.

ScumLord

cdeb wrote: »

2,600 rounds of ammunition.

Whatever about a gun, what on earth do you be doing driving around with 2,600 rounds of ammunition?

He'd probably just bought the family bucket at KFC and got them for free.

Heckler

Morpheus wrote: »

You can own guns
You can use a gun in self defence - without the Gardai issuing you a licence to hold a handgun for self defence.
Pádraig Nally v the state - farmer shot at intruders, killing one. he was charged with and acquitted of manslaughter. . . this resulted in The Criminal Law (Defence and the Dwelling) Act 2011 being enacted on 19 December 2011. If i possess a gun and you break into and enter my house, and threaten my life by doing so, it would be well within reason for me to shoot you to defend my property and life.

There was a prison officer on Matt Coopers shows last week.

While at home on his farm a car drove in and two men started scoping out his farm equipment.

He approached them and there were threats made against him. He recognised one of them as a violent criminal.

In fear of a bad hiding he got an unloaded (not that they knew this) shotgun and persuaded them to leave with threats being made against him all the while. He said he never raised the shotgun or pointed it at them.

He subsequently made a full report to the Guards whereupon a file was sent to the DPP with the purpose of prosecuting HIM for his actions with the firearm. His license was revoked and his shotgun taken from him.

The DPP eventually decided not to prosecute. The superintendent won't give him back his license or firearm. He is appealing this in court.

All this for simply holding an unloaded shotgun. Disgrace.

God knows what might have happened to him if he had discharged a shot or actually shot anyone.

Gatling

Heckler wrote: »

He subsequently made a full report to the Guards whereupon a file was sent to the DPP with the purpose of prosecuting HIM for his actions with the firearm. His license was revoked and his shotgun taken from him.

The DPP eventually decided not to prosecute. The superintendent won't give him back his license or firearm. He is appealing this in court.

All this for simply holding an unloaded shotgun. Disgrace.

God knows what might have happened to him if he had discharged a shot or actually shot anyone.

This is just one version of what was claimed to have happened.
Probably there is a justified reason why he's been revoked .
Probably a whole different thread though

BattleCorp

Gatling wrote: »

This is just one version of what was claimed to have happened.
Probably there is a justified reason why he's been revoked .
Probably a whole different thread though

You sound very sceptical of his story. Why?

His version of things is probably the only version. I doubt the criminal went and made a statement. And even if he did, whose word would you take, that of a prison officer or that of a known criminal?

Using firearms for self defence is a very risky thing to do. The courts have their own way of looking at things.

Stigura

Butters1979 wrote: »

The shooters name is Nathan Desai.

Yep. I was reading that, and looking at his mug shot, and reading what his father had to say about him, late last night.

How, or why, could someone Not simply google up such reports, if they're interested

Blah, blah, blah narrative

HensVassal

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Less guns would mean less shootings.

If all those 9 people also had guns maybe he'd only have shot 4 or 5 of them before the others had a chance to draw their weapons.

There's no clear winning argument. They're both so solid

If the 9 all had guns too they most likely would have shat their pants anyway and done fcuk all.
You see a guy on the Luas punching up an old lady.....well everyone else has fists too and what do they do? NOTHING.

jmayo

BattleCorp wrote: »

There are lots of people with 9mm, .357, .38 Spl etc. handguns for target shooting. Currently no new licences are being issued for these types of handguns but those currently with licences can keep them.

Ahh the old grandfather rule that will surely be closed off someday.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Any type of bolt action rifle can be licenced. Larger calibre rifles can be licenced once you can justify why you need such a firearm. Special restricted licences are issued for those.

I would have thought the only chance of a large calibre rifle was ones to be used for deer hunting.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Semi-automatic rifles such as an AR15 or a M1 Garand can be licenced on a restricted licence (once you can convince a Chief Super that you have a genuine use for it). It's difficult enough to get these but some people have them.

I find it hard to believe anyone in Ireland (Republic that is) has managed to get licenses for any of those.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Yes, we are restricted in what we can have compared to America but there's a fair amount of firearms allowable too. You just have to jump through a lot more hoops here to licence them.

A lot of hoops and ultimately it is down to whim of your local super.

wes wrote: »

Nazi memorabilia found in his car.

Houston shooter wore Nazi emblems, drove a Porsche, carried 2,600 rounds of ammo, police say

I wonder what his motivations were, considering the Nazi stuff in his car.....

I wonder to keep the kinda German theme going if he used a SIG, H&K or Glock.

Heckler wrote: »

There was a prison officer on Matt Coopers shows last week.

While at home on his farm a car drove in and two men started scoping out his farm equipment.

He approached them and there were threats made against him. He recognised one of them as a violent criminal.

In fear of a bad hiding he got an unloaded (not that they knew this) shotgun and persuaded them to leave with threats being made against him all the while. He said he never raised the shotgun or pointed it at them.

He subsequently made a full report to the Guards whereupon a file was sent to the DPP with the purpose of prosecuting HIM for his actions with the firearm. His license was revoked and his shotgun taken from him.

The DPP eventually decided not to prosecute. The superintendent won't give him back his license or firearm. He is appealing this in court.

All this for simply holding an unloaded shotgun. Disgrace.

God knows what might have happened to him if he had discharged a shot or actually shot anyone.

To answer your last question the world would probably be a much better place.

BTW didn't you know the criminals rights are always more important in this state. :rolleyes:

BattleCorp

Ahh the old grandfather rule that will surely be closed off someday.
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There were talks to bring it back. Maybe some day. Who knows.

I would have thought the only chance of a large calibre rifle was ones to be used for deer hunting.
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And long range target shooting

I find it hard to believe anyone in Ireland (Republic that is) has managed to get licenses for any of those.[\quote]

Doubt all you want. There are competitions held regularly for semi auto centrefires.

A lot of hoops and ultimately it is down to whim of your local super.[\QUOTE]

Unfortunately you are correct on that point.

Manic Moran

Only to a gun nut :P

Take a wild f*cking guess why there's been no mass shootings in Oz in the last 20 years ??

Want to know a little observed fact or two?
Oz is the sixth largest importer of firearms in the world, 95% of which are privately owned. There are more privately held firearms in Australia now than there were before the Port Arthur Massacre and the following gun buyback, which University of Melbourne couldn't find a causatory relationship for as regards crime reduction.. By way of example, a Glock semi-auto (legal sale) costs about $600 AUS right now. Not bad for a gun-banned country.
People think that Australia has become a gun-free paradise and a ban on firearms has been the cause of it. Folks don't look into the details very much. It has actually been a combination of societal legislation and good policing which has resulted in the reduction trend which pre-dated the buyback.
As to bulk ammunition purchases, I rarely by less than thousand-packs. Shooting is a hobby in which you almost literally burn money, and there is something to be said both for having an economy of scale, and not having to have to detour via a shop every time you feel like going to the range.

feargale

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Less guns would mean less shootings.

If all those 9 people also had guns maybe he'd only have shot 4 or 5 of them before the others had a chance to draw their weapons.

There's no clear winning argument. They're both so solid

Give my granny a gun. She's half blind but she'd make sure to get the culprit by blasting the lot.

InTheTrees

feargale wrote: »

Give my granny a gun. She's half blind but she'd make sure to get the culprit by blasting the lot.

I'm sure there's some American police forces that would hire her. She sounds up to standard.

JP Liz V1

From BBC news

Police found a Thompson submachine gun and ammunition in his sports car.
As well as the Tommy gun, a bomb squad search of the suspect's black Porsche convertible, which was parked at the scene, found a semi-automatic rifle, a knife and 2,600 rounds of live ammunition.
Officials said DeSai was wearing historic military attire with Nazi emblems and used a semi-automatic handgun during the attack.
Authorities also found a notebook with a Nazi symbol and recovered 75 shell casings at the scene.
The guns were purchased legally and the suspect had a licence to carry concealed weapons, police said.

:eek: holy f*ck

Heckler

Manic Moran wrote: »

Want to know a little observed fact or two?
Oz is the sixth largest importer of firearms in the world, 95% of which are privately owned. There are more privately held firearms in Australia now than there were before the Port Arthur Massacre and the following gun buyback, which University of Melbourne couldn't find a causatory relationship for as regards crime reduction.. By way of example, a Glock semi-auto (legal sale) costs about $600 AUS right now. Not bad for a gun-banned country.
People think that Australia has become a gun-free paradise and a ban on firearms has been the cause of it. Folks don't look into the details very much. It has actually been a combination of societal legislation and good policing which has resulted in the reduction trend which pre-dated the buyback.
As to bulk ammunition purchases, I rarely by less than thousand-packs. Shooting is a hobby in which you almost literally burn money, and there is something to be said both for having an economy of scale, and not having to have to detour via a shop every time you feel like going to the range.

I like your and others (Makomi, Battlecorp etc) posts about firearms who actually know what they are talking about as opposed to some of the hysterical nonsense posted here. People too eager to pounce without researching.

But you can't win. Any defense and its "ah hes a gun nut".

InTheTrees

InTheTrees wrote: »

Yes. I have a 17 year old relative in county cork who has a,semi automatic .22 rifle with telescopic sights and a silencer. All legal.

Even in the USA a silencer (or suppressor) is illegal in a lot if places.

Why does a 17 year old in county cork need a semi automatic .22 rifle with a telescopic sights and a silencer?

mikhail

Deleted User wrote: »

Why does a 17 year old in county cork need a semi automatic .22 rifle with a telescopic sights and a silencer?

Huntin wabbit.

corner of hells

Gatling wrote: »

Never heard of anything like that before

Hes correct , I know an individual who was permitted a permit for a pistol for self defence.

Heckler

Deleted User wrote: »

Why does a 17 year old in county cork need a semi automatic .22 rifle with a telescopic sights and a silencer?

A telescopic sight to hit at large ranges, probably rabbits. The sound moderator (silencer) to both protect his own hearing and stop the gunshot noise scaring the other rabbits away.

Believe it or not your cuddly Bugs Bunny is doing a lot of harm to farmers crops and they are happy to let shooters cull them.

Heckler

corner of hells wrote: »

Hes correct , I know an individual who was permitted a permit for a pistol for self defence.

Very very rare. I have a pistol and a license and wouldn't touch it in a self defense scenario. Would just end up in prison.

laugh

BattleCorp wrote: »

There were talks to bring it back. Maybe some day. Who knows.

And long range target shooting

Doubt all you want. There are competitions held regularly for semi auto centrefires.


Unfortunately you are correct on that point.

Would your guns be taken off you if you had some kind of psychological problems?

corner of hells

Heckler wrote: »

Very very rare. I have a pistol and a license and wouldn't touch it in a self defense scenario. Would just end up in prison.

Really rare.Though originally when CAB was set up , there was talk of senior officials being issued with firearms.

BattleCorp

laugh wrote: »

Would your guns be taken off you if you had some kind of psychological problems?

Yes. The authorities wouldn't be doing their job properly if they didn't remove firearms from someone who was a danger to themselves or others.

InTheTrees

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why does a 17 year old in county cork need a semi automatic .22 rifle with a telescopic sights and a silencer?

Mink. Amongst others.

Actually the silencer adds some accuracy, and doesn't frighten off everything close.

My point was a lot of guns are legal in Ireland.

BattleCorp

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why does a 17 year old in county cork need a semi automatic .22 rifle with a telescopic sights and a silencer?

If the 17 year old has a semi-auto .22lr rifle with a telescopic sight and silencer, he has proven to the Gardai that he is of good character, mentally stable, has suitable security arrangements, is competent in the safe use of the firearm, and has a genuine need for that firearm.

As for why he has that setup, I'd guess vermin control.