Telegraph Investigations Megathread - Sam Allardyce resigns as England Manager

~Rebel~

keeponhurling wrote: »

The allegations are that Allardyce offered advice on how to circumvent FA third-party ownership laws and tried to negotiate a £400,000 deal to address investors in a Far East firm.

rob316 wrote: »

People blaming the journalists, give me a break. No one forced him to go on the trip and take the money, he was greedy and stupid enough to get caught.

People are blaming the journalists because they have an article in which they lay out some allegations - and then promptly contradict themselves by showing videos and quotes from Allardyce that don't back up those allegations, and in some cases directly go against the allegations.

For instance, the article talks about his conflict of interest advising on players that might be elligble for England call ups at some point, when he categorically states on their own videos that he would not be taking any part whatsoever in advising. That he would only be doing a 15 minute warm up keynote about football, and would then have a few sociable pints after. That done the line, after he's finished working with England, that he could then maybe offer more advise. It's also key that the role he's supposedly taking is ambassador. Not advisor, not consultant - ambassador.

He may have done something wrong, but those articles have yet to show any evidence of it. And beyond that, it's written extremely badly, which I daresay might be on purpose to muddy a weak argument. The fact they jump into him making fun of Roy's voice shows they know their audience, and have no interest in making a well thought out, clear, inarguable case.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not seeing this as an issue for which he should be sacked. Looks like they were hoping for him to take more of the bait and he actually stayed the right side of the line throughout. The headline and the way the story has been presented ultimately misrepresents the content. A low form of scum journalism, that screams of personal vendettas within the ownership and / or editorial function of the paper.

Exactly...I kind of think their approach was just "throw out a sensationalistic headline, some judgements up top, a video of him speaking badly of Roy, and hope no-one actually reads any further".

This is no Boston Globe expose, it's a publicity grab.

Gbear

It was even on BBC Radio 4 and they said he'd "insulted" (I believe was the word they used) Hodgson when the only quote they attributed to him was that he said he was indecisive.

It makes the whole thing sound a bit suspicious.

There's no shame in slagging off a proven failure of a management team and they didn't even say he did that - he gave perfectly valid criticism according to the reports.

Then the third-party-ownership stuff sounded very luke-warm indeed and my overriding impression was more about this is why England can't have nice things - they treat their national side and everyone associated with it like absolute dirt.

Not that I'd be surprised if Allardyce was a crook, but this story sounds like overblown bollocks thus far.

bobmalooka

Gbear wrote: »

It was even on BBC Radio 4 and they said he'd "insulted" (I believe was the word they used) Hodgson when the only quote they attributed to him was that he said he was indecisive.

It makes the whole thing sound a bit suspicious.

There's no shame in slagging off a proven failure of a management team and they didn't even say he did that - he gave perfectly valid criticism according to the reports.

Then the third-party-ownership stuff sounded very luke-warm indeed and my overriding impression was more about this is why England can't have nice things - they treat their national side and everyone associated with it like absolute dirt.

Not that I'd be surprised if Allardyce was a crook, but this story sounds like overblown bollocks thus far.

I'd imagine the insult they were referring too was calling him Woy, mocking his speech impedement.

He won't be sacked of there's nothing in it.

Thepoet85

bobmalooka wrote:

I'd imagine the insult they were referring too was calling him Woy, mocking his speech impedement.

Thats def what it was for. Can't have the national team manager mocking colleagues like that. Have a bit of sympathy for him, but I think he'll go.

Agent Coulson

He's gone!

Mutual agreement!

Mint Sauce

Listening to 5Live, three different news papers are sayng he has resigned.

Whose next then?

PropJoe10

Offered to resign apparently. Sad story.

retalivity

The old 'mutual agreement'...jumping before hes pished

Edit: typo, still works though!

Haha farcical. 3 months.

What other English managers are there? Should be fun watching this unfold

jaykay74

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Sam Allardyce to leave England role tonight. Mutual agreement between him and FA to part ways
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Martyn Ziegler ‏@martynziegler 22m22 minutes ago
Hearing there's likely to be announcement that Allardyce has quit rather been sacked as England manager. Confirmation expected this evening.

PropJoe10

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Haha farcical. 3 months.

What other English managers are there? Should be fun watching this unfold

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDMlVquZI1axqQ8/giphy.gif

Harry Palmr

Expect more casualties in the next week or two I think, the telegraph are running this as part of a series

~Rebel~

Feel a bit sorry for him on this one to be honest. More than anything he's done, I think it's the embaressment of a few comments, which are grand in a private conversation, but look bad for the FA when aired all over the place.

More than anything he's actually done wrong, i'd say most of this comes from 2 things - mocking Roy, and saying the FA's provisions to block 3rd party ownership don't work.

I guess Southgate to take charge for next week, and the hunt to go on before the round of fixtures after that? Not a lot of options if they want to stick with their English thing though.

PropJoe10

PropJoe10 wrote: »

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDMlVquZI1axqQ8/giphy.gif

That would be great. Neville as assistant

Steve Bruce the early favourite

Harry Palmr

I hear Van Gaal is still free.

sReq | uTeK

I think England should take this time to go a different route. They won't and will ultimately go down the same route that sees them perform Poorly time after time

Mantis Toboggan

Holey moley

Agent Coulson

The Celtic manager might be tempted.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I hear Van Gaal is still free.

Yeah but he's a foreigner.

Still on the English man cycle. After the next sacking it'll be back on a foreign one

Gbear

England have a lot of pace a lot of wily yard dogs and they're not so utterly bereft of quality that they can't play at least basic passing football.

Just get someone in who'll have them playing like utter bastards and they might be half-decent.

That should've been what your Hodgson and Allardyces went for but either they couldn't bring that togetether at the end of a long season or they'll stick stuck with the mentality of passivity that plagues english football culturally.

Mr.Nice Guy

With the criticism the FA have had for corruption in FIFA the last few years they would have been left with egg on their faces over this whole sleazy business and I don't see how they could have kept him around. The writing was on the wall.

I wonder what other revelations the Telegraph will reveal over the coming days. Could other managers be in trouble?

NATLOR

What an idiot. When he landed that job he was genuinely ecstatic,job of his dreams, wanted it all his life, then blows it after one game. At least he can boast a 100% win record :rolleyes:

Agent Coulson

There is going to be a lot of people on football wondering now are the next because Sam spilled the beans on them.

Skylinehead

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Haha farcical. 3 months.

What other English managers are there? Should be fun watching this unfold

English born manager wanted, international experience, capable of reaching knockout stages.

ahlookit

Pearson had a bust up at Derby according to the Telegraph....so not related to their corruption stories by the look of it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/27/derby-county-suspend-manager-nigel-pearson/

eagle eye

Lord TSC wrote: »

That, and I'd imagine that very rarely do these stings catch people participating in their first and only misdemeanor. I'd imagine that usually these stories are a single example of multiple happenings. I can never help but feel that if someone is caught doing things once, it's more than likely they've done it multiple times before being caught...

This is one of the big reasons why I am against this type of stuff.

You are already saying that because somebody fell for their setup that he has done it before. Another guy is saying that they wouldn't set him up unless they knew they could get him.

Do you see where this is leading?

Beefy78

AhahahaAnahha yes! I can support England again. Thank you thank you thank you.

Notorious

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you see where this is leading?

Exposing corruption in sport?

Beefy78

Lord TSC wrote: »

That, and I'd imagine that very rarely do these stings catch people participating in their first and only misdemeanor. I'd imagine that usually these stories are a single example of multiple happenings. I can never help but feel that if someone is caught doing things once, it's more than likely they've done it multiple times before being caught...

Yep. They didn't call up Allardyce on the off-chance. They called him up because people had told him this sort of thing is right up his alley

Mint Sauce

FA just confirmed it. Inappropriate conduct. Gone by mutual consent. Southgate in charge for next 4 games.

Rayne Wooney

Is corruption the correct word for this?

A PR disaster at worst.

Beefy78

Mint Sauce wrote: »

FA just confirmed it. Inappropriate conduct. Gone by mutual consent. Southgate in charge for next 4 games.

That's a play for Wenger then.

Lord TSC

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Is corruption the correct word for this?

A PR disaster at worst.

He took money to help people undermine rules set out by the company he works for. It's textbook corruption.

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

He took money to help people undermine rules set out by the company he works for. It's textbook corruption.

He didn't actually take money though did he?

That_Guy

Been at a training course all day.... Had a scroll through of the sports news and BAM!!!

Didn't see that coming.

Billy86

19:00

RoboKlopp wrote: »

He won't be sacked of there's nothing in it.

19:10

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He's gone!

Mutual agreement!

Well I guess you were half right!

glued

He didn't really say anything wrong. He used third party ownership in a way that suggested that the return of an agents percentage on a contract would yield a similar return such is the inflation of wages in the PL. You control the player once you have control of the agent but the fact remains that it's quite legal to do so in football terms as third party ownership only governs around actually owing a player as opposed to having control over one.

Maybe I'm wrong but the editiorial is still sensationalist and it's gutter journalism at its finest.

Lovely Bloke

Who is going to take a job where the national press goes out of it's way to stitch you up and get you sacked after one game in charge?

Rayne Wooney

Lord TSC wrote: »

He took money to help people undermine rules set out by the company he works for. It's textbook corruption.

But did he take money? and did he outline how to get around rules?

The telegraph seem to have played an excellent bluff here.

Billy86

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Haha farcical. 3 months.

What other English managers are there? Should be fun watching this unfold

None that they should go for, don't get their 'need' for an English manager when there simply aren't very many good ones at all.

Lovely Bloke

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

Who is going to take a job where the national press goes out of it's way to stitch you up and get you sacked after one game in charge?

Stitch him up or expose him for what he is?

thebaz

Beefy78 wrote: »

That's a play for Wenger then.

Wegner would be crazy to take it - the media already would have a sting in place , to find some rot in a decent man - poison chalice - give it to 'Arry and have another tabloid feast - why I wonder it England fail fail so gloriously ???

kfallon

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

Who is going to take a job where the national press goes out of it's way to stitch you up and get you sacked after one game in charge?

Plenty of people would! Especially if you have nothing to hide!

PropJoe10

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Offered to resign apparently. Sad story.

It's not in the least bit sad.

Multi millionaire loses sight of his job while following up on a chance to grab another ball of money.

It's no tale of hardship anyway.

kfallon

kfallon wrote: »

Plenty of people would! Especially if you have nothing to hide!

Exactly.

BorneTobyWilde

Iused2likebusts

Billy86 wrote: »

None that they should go for, don't get their 'need' for an English manager when there simply aren't very many good ones at all.

If the top English clubs don't go for an English manager why should the national team. Eddie howe is the only one that should be under consideration .

That_Guy

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

Who is going to take a job where the national press goes out of it's way to stitch you up and get you sacked after one game in charge?