€890 pcm for a garden flat in Drimnagh!

Graham

pilly wrote: »

There is a company called Gardenrooms.ie that put in what look like garden sheds but are much bigger, fully insulated etc. and I've seen some used as granny flats.

I'm merely saying, as another poster has mentioned I've seen an awful lot worse places to live that would meet the description of studio flat, filthy, horrible, dark smelly places. I would prefer this shed to one of them.

So you'd be ok if your immediate neighbours decided to go down the private-enterprise shanty town route?

intheclouds

pilly wrote: »

There is a company called Gardenrooms.ie that put in what look like garden sheds but are much bigger, fully insulated etc. and I've seen some used as granny flats.

I'm merely saying, as another poster has mentioned I've seen an awful lot worse places to live that would meet the description of studio flat, filthy, horrible, dark smelly places. I would prefer this shed to one of them.

If they are to be used as granny flats they must apply to the local authority for planning permission.

I saw a similar thing to this being advertised on FB (it wasnt garden rooms which do state on their website that you need planning permission if you are going to use one of their rooms to live in), and he was dismissing comments of planning permission.

Im sure such a room as the advertised in this thread doesnt comply with fire safety, environmental safety etc...

Gmol

It's definitely worth it, there's a candle on the table, a candle!!
only thing holding it back is the lack of space for a Crying chair

pilly

Oh it's hardly shanty town Graham! That's exactly what I mean by up ourselves. I think if any of you guys had ever been homeless you might be more accepting of what's suitable as accommodation. I'm starting to believe the whole "snowflake" rumours. Hard times call for hard measures.

Graham

Gmol wrote: »

only thing holding it back is the lack of space for a Crying chair

it's in the shed apartment next door with the washing machine

intheclouds

I notice your washer/dryer is in a small wooden shed next to the main shed that youd be living in.

intheclouds

pilly wrote: »

Oh it's hardly shanty town Graham! That's exactly what I mean by up ourselves. I think if any of you guys had ever been homeless you might be more accepting of what's suitable as accommodation. I'm starting to believe the whole "snowflake" rumours. Hard times call for hard measures.

So you reckon I could put up 6 of these and charge <mod snip > families 1k per month each to live in them in my back garden?

Sounds a bit...........slumlordy.

Gmol

intheclouds wrote: »

I notice your washer/dryer is in a small wooden shed next to the main shed that youd be living in.

Split level apartment with appliances convienently located separately from the main dwelling

ted1

intheclouds wrote: »

I notice your washer/dryer is in a small wooden shed next to the main shed that youd be living in.

I put my dryer in a shed at the end of the garden. Safer than having it in the house. Dryers are cause of many house fires.

Graham

intheclouds wrote: »

I notice your washer/dryer is in a small wooden shed next to the main shed that youd be living in.

Exempted development on the exempted development?

pilly

No-one said a family could live in one of these but 1 person certainly could.
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intheclouds

intheclouds wrote: »

Its a shed. How is it going to stand up to weather and habitation?

Its not a timber garden shed that you would buy in woodies though, its a concrete build shed that is not going to fall down any more than the house is going to fall down. It might not be the best insulated but probably no worse than houses build of the same era (if its dry lined its probably the same as an older house).

Not sure of what you mean by "stand up to habitation really" as again it looks like a solid structure that's done up to a reasonable standard. The main issue is the price, if it was 400 euro a month or even 500euro and had a proper cooker I'm sure there are plenty of people who would prefer live there than house share.

JPF82

Imagine how living there would be bad for your mental health. Want family or friends to visit. No point. Can't have them over for dinner. No proper cooking facilities. Can't fit them in the house either. Just ridiculous that this would be considered OK to advertise by anyone, let alone an estate agent.

Graham

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Typically its vulnerable/low income groups including immigrants that end up stuck with the sort of sub-standard accommodation you're arguing should be permitted.

What example would have worked for you?

dr.fuzzenstein

kceire wrote: »

No point not picking at a system that works.
You think we should be paying for inspectors to drive the streets all day long looking for planning irregularities?

How would you have the system work?
How many staff do you think you would need?

Ahm, shouldn't inspectors, you know, ahm, inspect, and stuff? That, erm, would be, like, their job and sh*t?
Let me tell you how the Irish "system" works. Builder builds shoddy sh*teheap, "inspector' rubber stamps it from his office without looking at it, the estate agent says " bejaysis, be making' a shedload of money!" and the buyer ends up forking out €300k for something that wouldn't be allowed to be a cowshed in one of the proper EU countries. (Like Bulgaria or Romania for example).
And then we have people like you who staunchly defend this "system", in fact a lot of people would because "we don't need no Johnny Foreigner telling us how to do stuff!" And there you have it. Ireland. Deliberately doing it wrong and being proud of it.

Graham

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Ahm, shouldn't inspectors, you know, ahm, inspect, and stuff? That, erm, would be, like, their job and sh*t?

How often do you suggest the inspectors should check everyones back garden for planning irregularities?

intheclouds

Haven Fit Gopher wrote: »

Not sure of what you mean by "stand up to habitation really" as again it looks like a solid structure that's done up to a reasonable standard. The main issue is the price, if it was 400 euro a month or even 500euro and had a proper cooker I'm sure there are plenty of people who would prefer live there than house share.

By habitation I mean the normal wear and tear that happens living somewhere.

A person cooking, cleaning, showering, eating, exercising, etc in a garden shed would be doing so somewhere that isnt designed to be lived in.

Would there be proper ventilation for 365 showers per year? What about food preparation - would it vent cooking steam and grease etc..

What about insulation? Would it be able to take being heated all winter? I dont know what the walls are made of and if they are designed with internal heating in mind.

What about electricity - does it have its own electricity supply or do you have to wake the homeowners at 3am when youve tripped a switch from charging your phone?

Gumbo

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Ahm, shouldn't inspectors, you know, ahm, inspect, and stuff? That, erm, would be, like, their job and sh*t?
Let me tell you how the Irish "system" works. Builder builds shoddy sh*teheap, "inspector' rubber stamps it from his office without looking at it, the estate agent says " bejaysis, be making' a shedload of money!" and the buyer ends up forking out €300k for something that wouldn't be allowed to be a cowshed in one of the proper EU countries. (Like Bulgaria or Romania for example).
And then we have people like you who staunchly defend this "system", in fact a lot of people would because "we don't need no Johnny Foreigner telling us how to do stuff!" And there you have it. Ireland. Deliberately doing it wrong and being proud of it.

How can the enforcement inspector inspect it if nobody reports it in the first place?

Also, no inspector stamps any development in this country. In the construction industry, we operate self certification, myself included. Please educate yourself on that as you have no idea how our Irish system works, so I'll gracefully decline your offer to tell me how the system works :pac:

intheclouds

intheclouds wrote: »

By habitation I mean the normal wear and tear that happens living somewhere.

A person cooking, cleaning, showering, eating, exercising, etc in a garden shed would be doing so somewhere that isnt designed to be lived in.

Would there be proper ventilation for 365 showers per year? What about food preparation - would it vent cooking steam and grease etc..

What about insulation? Would it be able to take being heated all winter? I dont know what the walls are made of and if they are designed with internal heating in mind.

You could ask the same questions about any amount of houses that are currently being lived in up and down the country.

intheclouds

Haven Fit Gopher wrote: »

You could ask the same questions about any amount of houses that are currently being lived in up and down the country.

Dont disagree with you in the slightest.

But the fact remains, we are not discussing houses up and down the country (although you are quite welcome to start a thread on that), we are discussing a specific advertised property.

I would be very very concerned about anyone "living" in such a place. Stay the odd night, fine. Take the odd shower, grand. But to actually live there, and perform all the activities of daily living in it - its just not designed for such.

Idbatterim

I agree with a lot of the comments, that there are places in houses going that are worse than this!

So we have Coveneys plan, which in my opinion is a joke. A typical Irish solution, drastic actions is required and we get that joke. The only thing that can sort this out, is way higher density and cheaper to construct units (I mean apartments by this, a serious number need to be built) This doesnt involve having to change the CB mortgage caps...

It would mean professionals and students could vacate in massive numbers, the family homes etc that they are currently occupying...

When this is done and I am not sure of the legality, you could perhaps start charging more in property tax for example, if the house is not inhabited by a family... Again I am not sure if that is in any way legal or feasible...

dr.fuzzenstein

kceire wrote: »

How can the enforcement inspector inspect it if nobody reports it in the first place?

Also, no inspector stamps any development in this country. In the construction industry, we operate self certification, myself included. Please educate yourself on that as you have no idea how our Irish system works, so I'll gracefully decline your offer to tell me how the system works :pac:

And that's how Priory Hall happens. So nothing is inspected, all goes on "yep, all top class work, don't worry, she'll he the finesht, suckin' diesel"

Idbatterim

self certification to me seems like a joke, signing off on my own work. Property will cost me hundreds of thousands over my lifetime. I think having it checked independently at key stages, even if it cost a few hundred, is a drop in the ocean...

washman3

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And that's how Priory Hall happens. So nothing is inspected, all goes on "yep, all top class work, don't worry, she'll he the finesht, suckin' diesel"

And Joe the taxpayer picks up the tab when the s##te hits the fan down the road...

Gumbo

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And that's how Priory Hall happens. So nothing is inspected, all goes on "yep, all top class work, don't worry, she'll he the finesht, suckin' diesel"

Private sector developers, private sector builders and private sector professionals signing off he work, all so they get their pay cheque. I agree with you there. They shouldn't be allowed to police themselves.

Gumbo

Idbatterim wrote: »

self certification to me seems like a joke, signing off on my own work. Property will cost me hundreds of thousands over my lifetime. I think having it checked independently at key stages, even if it cost a few hundred, is a drop in the ocean...

Agreed. The first thing I tell clients after planning etc is approved is not to go with the builder that provides his own engineer/certification. You need independent supervision, someone who is on your side and will protect your interest.

athtrasna

Mod note

PC works a lot better on this forum than racist generalisations. Please leave ethnic stereotypes off this forum. Thanks

Feisar

The builders engineers signing off the builder's work?

LOL

Gumbo

Feisar wrote: »

The builders engineers signing off the builder's work?

LOL

Not so much as the builders engineers signing off the builders work, that would be a direct conflict of interest and would be against the code of ethics of whatever professional institute you are a member of (Engineers Ireland & Institute of Fire Engineers in my case), but more so, a builder doing a relatively small project, and he is paying the engineer.

So the builder controls the certification and stage payments then as the engineers needs to sign off so the builder gets paid, and in tune pay the engineer!

mad m

A mate of mine has a lane way out back.... Seen a development going on out back, he enquired what was it going to be, builder said granny flat and in next breath a shed for storage.

Planning came out and because it went up to 1 story developer applied for retention and put shed as development. It stated in conditions under no circumstances was building to be used as habitable space. Work has totally stopped now. Roll on a year and next door is digging out foundations now:rolleyes:

The saga continues.