Why I am anti abortion and opposed to repealing the 8th.

brickmauser

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is a person.
If you deny that basic fact you are denying science the only basis on which we should make our decisions.

If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

LOL

I literally could not find one ounce of science in your post

elefant

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is person.
If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

Wow.

brickmauser

elefant wrote: »

Wow.

Killing an innocent person is always wrong.

End of

ancapailldorcha

I stopped reading when you described a foetus as person because it's alive. I've bags of living human cells growing at work. They're not a person either.

MonkeyTennis

Misplaced compassion?

Wow.

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person is always wrong.

End of

But how is that "science" as you stated was your reason for opposing choice at the very beginning of your post?

brickmauser

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL

I literally could not find one ounce of science in your post

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is a person.
If you deny that basic fact you are denying science the only basis on which we should make our decisions.

If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

So you contend that a human is merely DNA, that no brain, circulatory or nervous system is required to be viewed as a human being/person?

brickmauser

VinLieger wrote: »

But how is that "science" as you stated was your reason for opposing choice at the very beginning of your post?

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

fits

brickmauser wrote: »

When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murde
If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

Someone out there needs your kidney. If you don't donate it, you are guilty of murder. If it endangers your life, well that's too bad.

elefant

brickmauser wrote: »

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

This has to be a joke.

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

Except medical science says conception only occurs when the the fertilised egg attaches to the uterine wall

Im almost certain im beating my head against an ignorant brick wall here, but hey god loves a trier, or so im told :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

brickmauser

Delirium wrote: »

So you contend that a human is merely DNA, that no brain, circulatory or nervous system is required to be viewed as a human being/person?

A fertilised egg is a human being.
It is an undeniable scientific fact.

ancapailldorcha

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

You keep using the word "Scientific". It doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

wakka12

If a woman is dying because of the baby she doesn't want, and we don't allow her to abort then I don't see how this isn't considered murder when aborting an uborn child is

Professey Chin

brickmauser wrote: »

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

Yep. The process for what eventually can become a human is started by that event. Doesn't mean it is a human being right from the off. The end result isn't the same as the start of a process

brickmauser

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You keep using the word "Scientific". It doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

Prove that a human egg is not a human being

elefant

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove that a human egg is not a human being

Is a hen's egg a chicken?

brickmauser

Professey Chin wrote: »

Yep. The process for what eventually can become a human is started by that event. Doesn't mean it is a human being right from the off. The end result isn't the same as the start of a process

When does it become an individual organism? Conception.

brickmauser

elefant wrote: »

Is a hen's egg a chicken?

When it is fertilized.

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

A fertilised egg is a human being.
It is an undeniable scientific fact.

so are monozygotic twins half-people? :rolleyes:

cnocbui

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

No.

blueb

This kind of absolute nonsense is one of the many reasons why im pro choice for women and marched with my female friends in dublin.

All your doing here mate is hurting your own cause !!

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.


If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If the mother dies sorry thats just the way it is... if the mother and the child die.... too bad.... we could save her with "Science" but its not the right type of science??? wtf mate, this is absolutely laughable ya twit

brickmauser

wakka12 wrote: »

If a woman is dying because of the baby she doesn't want, and we don't allow her to abort then I don't see how this isn't considered murder when aborting an uborn child is

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

When does it become an individual organism? Conception.

Definition of individual: "An individual is a person or a specific object. Individuality (or selfhood) is the state or quality of being an individual; particularly of being a person separate from other persons and possessing his or her own needs or goals."

Professey Chin

brickmauser wrote: »

When does it become an individual organism? Conception.

Look at it this way. To take a sh1t you eat food. Going by that logic the second it enters your mouth it's the end result. Does that mean you eat sh1t or is there much much more that has to happen along the way?

If abortion is murder, I assume you that you believe a miscarriage is manslaughter? Should we start putting woman on trial for that?

Don't Chute!

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

He/she does not have to prove it. They read it and found no science in it. Because there is none in it. Thats it.

ancapailldorcha

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove that a human egg is not a human being

It only has half the requisite number of chromosomes and can't function by itself.

Pro Hoc Vice

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

The only person not being scientific is you, but you are fully aware of that.