Why I am anti abortion and opposed to repealing the 8th.

Speedwell

It doesn't matter if the fetus is a fully-fledged miniature adult with full consciousness when conception occurs. Nothing about it erases the fact that it's inside a human's body. But of course pregnant people are just sinful, worldly beings not fit to be spoken of in the same breath as the innocent half-gestated angel of purity that you infant fetishists imagine.

ancapailldorcha

Galicia_ wrote: »

I disagree with the OP but they are entitled to their own view of morals.

I've not stated otherwise.

VinLieger

Galicia_ wrote: »

I disagree with the OP but they are entitled to their own view of morals.

Morals and beliefs do not equal science as the OP is trying to claim

brickmauser

Professey Chin wrote: »

Look at it this way. To take a sh1t you eat food. Going by that logic the second it enters your mouth it's the end result. Does that mean you eat sh1t or is there much much more that has to happen along the way?

When the egg is fertilized and cells begin to multiply life begins. That's the starting point. To intervene and kill it after that point is killing a human being and committing murder.

jimmy blevins

Would killing a baby Hitler be considered morally wrong OP? Scientifically of course.

Pro Hoc Vice

brickmauser wrote: »

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

Yes you claim it now prove it.

eviltwin

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

So what should be done with the thousands of murderers walking our streets then?

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

No it's not. Murder is specific legal conviction, a person can also be charged with manslaughter.

If a woman takes the abortion pill here in Ireland, he won't be charged with murder she will be charged with having an illegal termination (not sure of the exact term).

elefant

jimmy blevins wrote: »

Would killing a baby Hitler be considered morally wrong?

Yes.

Not seeing the relevance though...

brickmauser

VinLieger wrote: »

Morals and beliefs do not equal science as the OP is trying to claim

This is not about belief this is about fact.
The fact is a fertilized egg is human and that fact is that killing it is murder.
Killing the unborn human at any point between fertilization of the egg and birth is therefore murder.
That is a fact that is not open to any dispute whatsoever.
The facts are undeniable.

brickmauser

eviltwin wrote: »

So what should be done with the thousands of murderers walking our streets then?

They should be imprisoned for murder

ancapailldorcha

brickmauser wrote: »

This is not about belief this is about fact.
The fact is a fertilized egg is human and that fact is that killing it is murder.
Killing the unborn human at any point between fertilization of the egg and birth is therefore murder.
That is a fact that is not open to any dispute whatsoever.
The facts are undeniable.

Killing them after birth is fine? Why set and end limit?

brickmauser

Delirium wrote: »

No it's not. Murder is specific legal conviction, a person can also be charged with manslaughter.

If a woman takes the abortion pill here in Ireland, he won't be charged with murder she will be charged with having an illegal termination (not sure of the exact term).

It's murder.
An innocent human being is killed intentionally.
Murder.
You can't argue with fact.

The Specialist

I've read some misinformed overwrought bull**** on this site over the years but this might just top them all.

wakka12

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

And now I think you're just on a wind up

Riesen_Meal

I'm pro choice and I find this post to be dreadfully offensive having it put up on a public forum that I frequent, it's borderline harassment...

There's my sensible AH response...

Oh and no one turned up at the march :

brickmauser

jimmy blevins wrote: »

Would killing a baby Hitler be considered morally wrong OP? Scientifically of course.

Killing anyone who is innocent is murder. When Hitler was a child he was innocent.

lawred2

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is a person.
If you deny that basic fact you are denying science the only basis on which we should make our decisions.

If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

This will go down well.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

This line is moral bankruptcy in a nutshell

Zaph

brickmauser wrote: »

They should be imprisoned for murder

Well at least the prison building programme will keep the construction industry busy for a few years, which has to be good for the economy.

The fact is that the OP has stated a position, one that they're not prepared to debate or defend with anything other than "it's science therefore I'm right", so I'm not really sure why anybody would waste their time trying to engage them.

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

They should be imprisoned for murder

So you would imprison women who had a legal abortion in another country? Not matter the reason for the abortion?

brickmauser wrote: »

It's murder.
An innocent human being is killed intentionally.
Murder.
You can't argue with fact.

Actually it seems you can :P

brickmauser

The Specialist wrote: »

I've read some misinformed overwrought bull**** on this site over the years but this might just top them all.

You have no argument that can counter the facts so you resort to insults.

Pro Hoc Vice

brickmauser wrote: »

This is not about belief this is about fact.
The fact is a fertilized egg is human and that fact is that killing it is murder.
Killing the unborn human at any point between fertilization of the egg and birth is therefore murder.
That is a fact that is not open to any dispute whatsoever.
The facts are undeniable.

Yes it is undeniable, I am doing just that as I am saying the opposite to you I am denying your CLAIMED truth. If you want to post scientific studies to back up your claim work away, until then in scientific terms you have put forward a idea, it's not even a theory yet.

BaaLamb

Surely the OP is simply trolling? I mean they can't be for real can they?

Pro Hoc Vice

brickmauser wrote: »

You have no argument that can counter the facts so you resort to insults.

The only person lacking in facts is you.

I can claim the earth is flat, unless I put forward some evidence I am nothing more than a crank.

The Specialist

brickmauser wrote: »

You have no argument that can counter the facts so you resort to insults.

I can't be bothered arguing with a dullard. Tell me OP, what's your opinion on the act of masturbation or ejaculation? Do you get PTSD watching porn videos?

Moo Moo Land

brickmauser wrote: »

You have no argument that can counter the facts so you resort to insults.

Before you take a stand, you should first research the topic.

brickmauser

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Yes it is undeniable, I am doing just that as I am saying the opposite to you I am denying your CLAIMED truth. If you want to post scientific studies to back up your claim work away, until then in scientific terms you have put forward a idea, it's not even a theory yet.

If you are disputing basic biology - that a fertilized human egg is an individual organism - then you are disputing biological facts.

Once you accept a fertilized egg is human you must accept it is a person and therefore you must accept killing it intentionally is murder.

Therefore you must oppose abortion at any time between conception and birth and you must oppose the repeal of the 8th amendment.

You cannot argue otherwise and claim to be moral.

Abortion is clearly murder.

You cannot defeat this logic.

It is inarguably true.

Riesen_Meal

brickmauser wrote: »

You have no argument that can counter the facts so you resort to insults.

Tick tock, tick tock -

Not long to go now until the women in our country have equal rights to women in other countries....

About time since it's 2016 do you not think?

brickmauser

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Before you take a stand, you should first research the topic.

The fertilization of an egg creates a living human being.

You can't argue otherwise.

Lollipops23

I really, really wanted this to be a post from an intelligent, well thought-out and balanced anti-choicer. I know they're out there, they have to be. I'm fed up debating this with the ones who don't understand or appreciate the nuance.

Please tell me where I can find the smart people who just happen to oppose abortion.