Quays route for cycleway agreed

buffalo

Live updates from DCC meeting: http://irishcycle.com/2016/11/23/live-updates-liffey-cycle-route-at-the-dublin-city-traffic-committee/

Cllr Smyth says that listening to some commentators in the media that the economy of the city centre was based on people driving in to the city centre and buying flat screen TV, he says it’s not but they will still be able to drive in.

:pac::pac:

tomasrojo

http://irishcycle.com/2017/09/27/nta-suspends-funding-for-liffey-cycle-route/

This is going to go on forever.

average_runner

tomasrojo wrote: »

http://irishcycle.com/2017/09/27/nta-suspends-funding-for-liffey-cycle-route/

This is going to go on forever.

Why were the councilors getting a final say, they don't have the skill or expertise in this area.

Surely the Consultants are the ones for this role, to pick the best option.?

monument

average_runner wrote: »

Why were the councilors getting a final say, they don't have the skill or expertise in this area.

Surely the Consultants are the ones for this role, to pick the best option.?

Because the issue of priority and politics of space is a polictal issue, not a technical one.

Remember, the experts (the NTA and council officials) wanted Option 8 which included some daft designs: http://irishcycle.com/2017/04/29/liffey-cycle-route-solution-includes-2-85-metre-shared-cycling-and-walking-path/

average_runner

monument wrote: »

Because the issue of priority and politics of space is a polictal issue, not a technical one.

Remember, the experts (the NTA and council officials) wanted Option 8 which included some daft designs: http://irishcycle.com/2017/04/29/liffey-cycle-route-solution-includes-2-85-metre-shared-cycling-and-walking-path/

Also remember that a lot of councilors aren't very smart people!!!

Not exactly qualified for the job

Pinch Flat

And in other news, a €500m motorway opens today. Not saying it's not needed, but this Liffey cycling route would be a very small fraction of this and probably generated 1000% more publicity.

http://www.thejournal.ie/new-motorway-3617551-Sep2017/

Grassey

Pinch Flat wrote: »

And in other news, a €500m motorway opens today. Not saying it's not needed, but this Liffey cycling route would be a very small fraction of this and probably generated 1000% more publicity.

http://www.thejournal.ie/new-motorway-3617551-Sep2017/

Speaking of.... Looks like the less than glowing article about the motorway was removed...

connachttribune.ie transport-body-admits-gort-to-tuam-motorway-wont-solve-city-traffic-problems

Chiparus

Did they skimp on the hard shoulders ? in they video they seem small or non existent?

Muahahaha

Awful news

cgcsb

New route out on Wednesday. Let the wild speculation begin. I'll take the first stab:

A cycle lane either side of the liffey, quay side, made possible by new boardwalks for pedestrians and removal of parking spaces. Car traffic will continue unaffected. A re-organisation of the lethal bridge down near Heuston, good integration with the bus connects cycling corridors, right turns to remain a hunger games style challenge. A 2 way cycle way on BOTH sides of the Liffey east of Becket Bridge as-per bus connects.

Grassey

cgcsb wrote: »

Let the wild speculation begin.

Everyone to be diverted through obscure routes meandering down side streets designed to frustrate you and force you into cars which will progress along a more streamlined route now that parking and pavements have been removed for additional lanes

Pinch Flat

Grassey wrote: »

Everyone to be diverted through obscure routes meandering down side streets designed to frustrate you and force you into cars which will progress along a more streamlined route now that parking and pavements have been removed for additional lanes

True, because cyclists never need to get anywhere quickly and efficiently. Sure most of them don't even work.

Ray Bloody Purchase

Pinch Flat wrote: »

True, because cyclists never need to get anywhere quickly and efficiently. Sure most of them don't even work.

I heard some of these so called 'cyclists' actually enjoy their commute to work.

Cnutz.

monument

Boardwalks rings alarm bells for me in terms not just of the likely planning delays but also of the quality of the cycle route at the current pinchpoints.

cgcsb

monument wrote: »

Boardwalks rings alarm bells for me in terms not just of the likely planning delays but also of the quality of the cycle route at the current pinchpoints.

The boardwalks are what costs the serious bread, and ultimately the spend is to maintain road space for cars, not to actually support better pedestrian facilities. Nobody wants to tackle Arnotts

AndrewJRenko

monument wrote: »

Boardwalks rings alarm bells for me in terms not just of the likely planning delays but also of the quality of the cycle route at the current pinchpoints.

Could a boardwalk surface provide decent grip?

Muahahaha

I wouldnt fancy cycling with road bike tyres on the current boardwalk surface on a wet day. Even on a dry day I couldnt see that wooden planked surface being in any way enjoyable to cycle on. If you had to cycle 2km on that your head would be wrecked.

monument

I understand the boardwalk suggestion this time -- if it's actually the option chosen -- is for pedestrians.

magicbastarder

City cycling route on right track as report recommends go-ahead
A long-awaited cycle route along both sides of the River Liffey should go ahead, a report has recommended.

The proposed 4.7km route in Dublin is a segregated cycle track running along the north and south of the quays between Heuston Station and the East Link Bridge, which will connect Phoenix Park to the Point Village. It has been in planning for more than seven years and was put under review by the National Transport Authority.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/city-cycling-route-on-right-track-as-report-recommends-go-ahead-swp3v2vw7

i can't see much more than that, the article is paywalled.

Hurrache

The western section (presumably they mean the Heuston Station end) will be on the buildings side with the cycle lane at this point being one way both sides of the Liffey, the centre section will be on the river side, with the change over at O'Donovan Rossa Bridge which is near Wood Quay, with a designated cycle crossing. The switch is to avoid conflicts at the bus stops, and the lanes will vary in width from 2 to 3.5m.

The boardwalks seems to be for the pedestrians alright as monument suggests. Public consultation later this year. Accident data was one of the drivers to display the need for such a route, 3 fatal, 5 serious injurious and 50 minor injurious involving cyclists on that section between 2005 and 2015. Obviously that's just the reported accidents.

ted1

Hurrache wrote: »

The western section (presumably they mean the Heuston Station end) will be on the buildings side with the cycle lane at this point being one way both sides of the Liffey, the centre section will be on the river side, with the change over at O'Donovan Rossa Bridge which is near Wood Quay, with a designated cycle crossing. The switch is to avoid conflicts at the bus stops, and the lanes will vary in width from 2 to 3.5m.

The boardwalks seems to be for the pedestrians alright as monument suggests. Public consultation later this year. Accident data was one of the drivers to display the need for such a route, 3 fatal, 5 serious injurious and 50 minor injurious involving cyclists on that section between 2005 and 2015. Obviously that's just the reported accidents.

So it’s still to go for public consultation which means we might only get 100m if cycle track!!

Look what happened the metro , they cut out the Southside

ED E

ted1 wrote: »

So it’s still to go for public consultation which means we might only get 100m if cycle track!!

Look what happened the metro , they cut out the Southside

The Fitzwilliam Scheme got something like 300:1 support with the public consultation, we can get this over the line too I suspect.

average_runner

ted1 wrote: »

So it’s still to go for public consultation which means we might only get 100m if cycle track!!

Look what happened the metro , they cut out the Southside

In fairness Southside has the luas, metro should go west

ted1

average_runner wrote: »

In fairness Southside has the luas, metro should go west

The LUAS is at capacity , it was actually built to be upgraded. Foundations , track width etc are all good. Cherrywood, Sandyford etc were all developed in the understanding it’d be upgraded.

The cost is a about 5% if what it would be to bring it west.

Chips Lovell

magicbastarder wrote: »

i can't see much more than that, the article is paywalled.

It says:

From the Phoenix Park to Fr Mathew Bridge at Church St, next to the Four Courts, the path will run on the left hand side of the road, next to the buildings, on both sides of the river.

From there to O’Connell Street the path will switch to the riverside to avoid interactions at the busy bus stops along Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay. The path will remain along the river side for the rest of its length.

Doesn't state how the route moves to the other side of the road at the transition point.

YakerK

Dublin City Council have the proposal up.

https://www.dublincity.ie/councilmeetings/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=161&MId=3762&Ver=4

Quick glance makes it look like a fairly decent compromise for all road users, but devil will be in the detail.

monument

Detailed drawings up as images here: https://irishcycle.com/2019/04/03/liffey-cycle-route-new-plan-includes-cycle-paths-on-both-quays/

Idbatterim

what about just getting rid of the quay side footpath and turning that into the cycle lane?

monument

Idbatterim wrote: »

what about just getting rid of the quay side footpath and turning that into the cycle lane?

That’s what they are doing in places, but pedestrians come first in transport policy and public realm policy, so, boardwalks are needed.

Budawanny

So does anyone know what the next step is?
Is this now a done deal or is it still likely to be blocked by the usual gobsh*tes?