New Irish pro Conti team (aka The Aquablue thread)

Doc07

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/1101226355377618945?s=19

This should not be all over the web. I can see why they couldn’t resist but it’s typical crap journalism focusing on the minnow they have caught and ‘nothing to see here’ for all the actual winners , medalists. Also making individual examples out of whole corrupt systems is irresponsible.

Piece on Preidler here http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/preidler-admits-to-blood-extraction-as-doping-investigation-widens/

Weepsie

Doc07 wrote: »

This should not be all over the web. I can see why they couldn’t resist but it’s typical crap journalism focusing on the minnow they have caught and ‘nothing to see here’ for all the actual winners , medalists. Also making individual examples out of whole corrupt systems is irresponsible.

The policeman is in trouble for sharing it apparently

velo.2010

Another bomb waiting to go off for the sport of cycling. Lots of talk on who may be next. People watching Twitter accounts and looking at who is and isn't tweeting etc.

Biological passport shown to be effectively useless again regarding Denifl and the skiers.

terrydel

CramCycle wrote: »

The biopassport has never worked unless the athlete or doctor don't understand it, several reports of microdosing and timing to get around it.

The truth is, at that level, only blanket testing in and out of competition will work, and even then it still won't catch everyone. If a person will refuse to edit their Strava segments after "accidentally" getting a load of KOMs in their car, then imagine what a person whose very livelyhood relies on results will do to get up there.

This. There are countless gob****es cheating for no other reason than bragging to other fatties on a Sunday, if they are at it, the pros (probably the vast majority) are doing it.

terrydel

Doc07 wrote: »

Agree but almost every team has DS’s, Managers, Doctors and even active cyclists from the ‘dirty era’. For example Orica green edge seemed cool and clean with their promotion of young talent and nice videos from the Tour but their management are dopers.
Top level cycling is still filthy, just maybe not as filthy as the 90’s/2000’s. It’s maybe not as filthy as soccer or athletics but it’s still filthy.

Its filthier imho.
Soccer 'may' be worse, but the evidence isnt there to prove that. The reasons why that evidence isnt there is another debate.

Chips Lovell

What? There are countless "Sunday morning fatties" doping? And bragging about it? Where is this?

terrydel

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

What? There are countless "Sunday morning fatties" doping? And bragging about it? Where is this?

Cheating on strava.

Lumen

Shedite27 wrote: »

Yeah you have to feel for the lads he's cheated out of wins

Like Daniel Moreno on Stage 17 of the 2017 Vuelta, who Denifl dropped on a 25%+ climb.

https://www.velonews.com/stages/2017-vuelta-espana-stage-17

“I can’t believe it. I had super, super legs today. I was waiting the whole Vuelta for that day,” said Denifl. “Today I went all in. It’s amazing.”

Third week, two days after the rest day (traditional refill day).

https://tiz-cycling.racing/videos/la-vuelta-2017-stage-17-last-30-km/
45:10 and then 48:46

Amazing indeed.

edit: although I don't feel too sorry for Moreno.
https://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Operaci%C3%B3n-Chinatown/

elchupanebrey

Wonder would there have been suspicions of this in the UCI, hence Aquablue Sports struggle to get invites last year?!

gman2k

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/former-aqua-blue-sport-rider-stefan-denifl-confesses-blood-doping-police-interview-409519#WYt7eY08YJP0rW0B.99

RobFowl

How could a team that abandons staff and reneges on contracts leaving almost everyone on the team out of pocket be involved with stuff like this????

Junior

elchupanebrey wrote: »

Wonder would there have been suspicions of this in the UCI, hence Aquablue Sports struggle to get invites last year?!

No that was still down to Rick being a dick.

TheBlaaMan

2006 is calling and wants its credibility back, please:


It has been reported that 40 blood bags were discovered in a garage in Erfurt, Germany, and that Schmidt is ready to cooperate with investigators. As was the case in the Operacion Puerto inquiry in Spain, the blood bags are labelled with simple abbreviations, or code-names. Investigators hope to secure a court order to secure the DNA of the accused athletes so that the identity of the 40 blood bags can be confirmed.

harringtonp

RobFowl wrote: »

How could a team that abandons staff and reneges on contracts leaving almost everyone on the team out of pocket be involved with stuff like this????

I don't know anything about Aquablue apart from what I read in boards and the occasional article on cyclingweekly.

However my gut feeling is that Denifl is an individual transgression rather than a team supported one.

MPFGLB

harringtonp wrote: »

I don't know anything about Aquablue apart from what I read in boards and the occasional article on cyclingweekly.

However my gut feeling is that Denifl is an individual transgression rather than a team supported one.

Given that is is multiple Austrains both cycling and skiing it seems to me a national thing based on the doctor the Austrians had

Not saying though other countries don't have equally shady doctors

Shedite27

harringtonp wrote: »

I don't know anything about Aquablue apart from what I read in boards and the occasional article on cyclingweekly.

However my gut feeling is that Denifl is an individual transgression rather than a team supported one.

Is it the sort of thing you could hide from a team on a 3 week tour? These guys share bedrooms, live in each other pockets while at Vuelta.

harringtonp

Shedite27 wrote: »

Is it the sort of thing you could hide from a team on a 3 week tour? These guys share bedrooms, live in each other pockets while at Vuelta.

Good point, that I don't know

Mr. Grieves

RobFowl wrote: »

How could a team that abandons staff and reneges on contracts leaving almost everyone on the team out of pocket be involved with stuff like this????

Aqua Blue on list of tax defaulters in today's Irish Times. 118k for under declaration of VAT.

velo.2010

Mr. Grieves wrote: »

Aqua Blue on list of tax defaulters in today's Irish Times. 118k for under declaration of VAT.

Let me guess, Delaney's reaction was something along the lines of...

'I was recently subject to a Revenue audit, some issues were identified and as soon as these were agreed the appropriate tax, interest and penalties were immediately paid in full.'

RobFowl

harringtonp wrote: »

I don't know anything about Aquablue apart from what I read in boards and the occasional article on cyclingweekly.

However my gut feeling is that Denifl is an individual transgression rather than a team supported one.

As you yesterday we also know Aquablue is listed as a tax defaulter on the Revenue list.
We know for a fact now they didn't pay their taxes either...

py

Money still owed to the riders: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/ex-aqua-blue-riders-still-owed-thousands-410102

Riders and staff from the Aqua Blue team are still owed “thousands” six months after the team folded as the UCI continues to pursue the team’s backers for cash.

gman2k

Adam Bylthe's Strada (minus wheels) is for sale on a UK Facebook group page- listed by a family member

RobFowl

Stefal Denfil banned to day for 4 years. Doping from 2014 through to 2018 and stripped of all his results in that period.
Vuelta stage win among that.
Sad for the team and all concerned.

TheBlaaMan

RobFowl wrote: »

...stripped of all his results in that period.
Vuelta stage win among that.

Oh the irony of this sport..... Contador gets credited a Vuelta stage win due to someone else's doping bust. Who'd have thought it would come to this?