RAW Superthread

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lawlolawl wrote: »

Lesnar sucks and is one of the major reasons why WWE ratings are in the toilet.


No one wants to see some disinterested part-timer who obviously doesn't give two ****s about the business work the same tedious "match" over and over.


I admire his ability to hustle a multi-billion dollar corporation whilst putting in the absolute bare minimum of effort but if he disappeared from the wrestling landscape tomorrow it would be no loss whatsoever.

Lesnar is both one of the best to ever do it and a top 5 box office draw of all time.

sky88

lawlolawl wrote: »

Hey now, Roman had a good two shows were he didn't get booed out of the arena! That's literally the best they've ever managed with him.

I actually feel bad for him. I've heard interviews with him and he seems like a good dude. It's not his fault that he is being pushed far beyond his abilities because he is related to The Rock.

His ceiling is half a mediocre tag team that gets a match on Main Event now and then

with the exception of kenny roman is better wrestler than everyone in AEW if you take your clearly anti wwe bias away you might realize that.

Rock Lesnar

2nd week in a row my sky planner has not recorded Raw, think its trying to tell me something

RollieFingers

Lesnar dancing being the highlight of Raw says it all...just awful. Can not take Kofi/Dolph seriously as a WWE championship feud, Zigglers tears and promos are laughable.

Lord TSC

During the first hour of Raw, there was a grand total of 1 minute and 32 seconds of actual wrestling.

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Lord TSC wrote: »

During the first hour of Raw, there was a grand total of 1 minute and 32 seconds of actual wrestling.

You'd think considering all they have going for them at the minute is quality in ring wrestlers they'd maybe lean on it but no, exposing these guys weakness' and hiding their strengths every week is the way they continue to run with it.

RollieFingers

Lord TSC wrote: »

During the first hour of Raw, there was a grand total of 1 minute and 32 seconds of actual wrestling.

And that involved Shane McMahon :P was cool to see Lance on Raw though, he's done some good stuff in MLW.

ERG89

correction wrote:

Lesnar is both one of the best to ever do it and a top 5 box office draw of all time.

In UFC he was a mahoosive draw in wrestling however that statement is laughable. He's not even a top 5 draw in WWF/E history much less all of wrestling.

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ERG89 wrote: »

In UFC he was a mahoosive draw in wrestling however that statement is laughable. He's not even a top 5 draw in WWF/E history much less all of wrestling.

All time is a stretch alright. But who from Hogan onwards in WWE is ahead? Hogan, Austin, Rock and Cena. I'm struggling to think of anyone else to put ahead of him.

ERG89

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All time is a stretch alright. But who from Hogan onwards in WWE is ahead? Hogan, Austin, Rock and Cena. I'm struggling to think of anyone else to put ahead of him.

Bruno.
Savage & Warrior were big names too but only one of them kept the ship on course when Hogan wasn't on top; that was Randy.
I'd argue Bret & Hbk don't get the credit they deserve either as WWF was a total mess in when they were champions but they did their part to try get the likes of Sid, Diesel & Yokozuna over when Vince insisted on going with them.
Undertaker like a Foley it's harder to gauge as both were rarely put on top but both a lot of Mania's & PPV's were sold with their names.
Lesnar came in not long after WWE were declining in popularity after the attitude era ended & when he hasn't stopped the bleed in ratings the last few years. I don't think his (or anyone else's) name on the marquee now means WWE are going to sell out.

Loughc

Corbin and Ziggler as number 1 contenders offer no threat to the champions at all. God I hope Lesnar cashes in and just reigns forever. Rollins is blander than Finn at this stage.

sky88

did they do or say anything to renne last night as revenge for dean or are they slightly less petty than usual

Angron

https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/1133198887618043905?s=19

Yowza.

CastorTroy

It was obvious those questions were planted, though it was funny seeing Kayla pulling the mic away.

So apparently Braun and Lashley were eliminated from a no DQ match due to leaving the ring area?

They're stuck spinning their wheels with the women since they're obviously holding off on promoting their next PPV until after Super Showdown.

lawlolawl

Ricochet vs Cesaro was cut from the Hulu version of Raw.

Guess they had to make sure they didn't cut any of that first 58-odd minute block of absolutely no wrestling.

ThePott

Angron wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/1133198887618043905?s=19

Yowza.

Yowie Wowie

lawlolawl

Dave Meltzer explaining the Sami AEW mention:


"It was scripted. They just lied to their own employees to make it out like Sami went against the script, not realizing anyone with a brain knows about the 15 second delay. Not to mention the people who did know would eventually tell those who don't.

This is Bischoff WCW and they didn't learn a thing from it. It draws no money and only makes paranoid talent even more paranoid, and makes employees think they're working for an insane company, neither of which is a positive."

J. Marston

Brock being punished for his "disrespectful actions" aka being entertaining...

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1134178571528810496?s=19

Gotta find some nonsense reason to write him off TV for a while.

lawlolawl

J. Marston wrote: »

Brock being punished for his "disrespectful actions" aka being entertaining...

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1134178571528810496?s=19

Gotta find some nonsense reason to write him off TV for a while.

Cody messed up the MITB briefcase 6 years ago and nothing happened to him.

nazmoalex

Those flowers on Stephanie's dress look like odd shaped nipples, that's the most interesting thing about this video!

JP Liz V1

J. Marston wrote: »

Brock being punished for his "disrespectful actions" aka being entertaining...

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1134178571528810496?s=19

Gotta find some nonsense reason to write him off TV for a while.

Just when he got some bit interesting

CastorTroy

I just had to google who the tag champs are. There's only 1 tag team story at the moment and it doesn't involve them, because why would the champions be in the main story?

J. Marston

Brock is cashing in on Monday, or so we're supposed to believe...

https://twitter.com/heymanhustle/status/1134535304390545411?s=21

lawlolawl

J. Marston wrote: »

Brock is cashing in on Monday, or so we're supposed to believe...

https://twitter.com/heymanhustle/status/1134535304390545411?s=21

How they think the prospect of another Brock title reign will bring back viewers is beyond me.

martyos121

Calling a swerve on that one. Let’s be honest, there’s more chance of Linda McMahon having a match on Raw than Brock Lesnar.

He has literally wrestled zero matches on weekly TV since he returned in 2012.

Pentecost

martyos121 wrote: »

Calling a swerve on that one. Let’s be honest, there’s more chance of Linda McMahon having a match on Raw than Brock Lesnar.

He has literally wrestled zero matches on weekly TV since he returned in 2012.

They’ll probably have Becky come out and pin Seth.

J. Marston

Pentecost wrote: »

They’ll probably have Becky come out and pin Seth.

Having Brock threaten all night to cash in and instead all he does is F5 Becky could lead to a good blood feud between him and Seth but it isn't 2000 so that isn't allowed.

Agent Coulson

That R Truth reveal was funny.

grames_bond

One post during raw....and it was about the throw away R-Truth comedy bit...jesus that speaks volumes!

sky88

Had a real bad insomnia ridden night last night turned it on and actually thought it was a good show with bray and truth as clear standouts

lawlolawl

grames_bond wrote: »

One post during raw....and it was about the throw away R-Truth comedy bit...jesus that speaks volumes!

Charlotte and Lacey also apparently had one of the worst matches on TV in a long time and it ended in a DQ, so there's that.

Omackeral

grames_bond wrote: »

One post during raw....and it was about the throw away R-Truth comedy bit...jesus that speaks volumes!

First time in literally 25 years where I won't look at at least one part of RAW. Just. Don't. Care.

NXT Takeover was unfreakingreal and always is.

J. Marston

Brock did not go easy with those chair shots, he cut Rollins' back up. Fùcking brutal. Convinced one of Seth's screams wasn't just selling.

If Becky's new t-shirt didn't have the big orange text, I'd almost get it. It's a cool design.

R-Truth's reveal was brilliant.

Vince's puppet in Firefly Funhouse was great too.

Maybe my standards are so low now but it didn't look like the worst episode of Raw.

lawlolawl wrote: »

Charlotte and Lacey also apparently had one of the worst matches on TV in a long time and it ended in a DQ, so there's that.

It was reminiscent of one of those Diva era hair pulling matches. Awful. The way Becky ended it was like a mercy to the crowd.

Firefly funhouse was brilliant. I nearly don't want him to return to inring action. There's no way it can be as good as these promos.

Exceptional work

Agent Coulson

The Undertakers Promo was full on Ultimate Warrior bonkers

sky88

highlight of raw and it wasnt even on the show

https://twitter.com/PeytonRoyceWWE/status/1135952466049228800?s=20

CastorTroy

No wrestlers wanted to pose with Lance Armstrong?

Hmm, an unhealthy husky pig being warned to get fit by the evil boss or get fired. I'm guessing some truth to that. How they got Vince to play himself, I don't know.

Lacey's first punch to Charlotte was a mess as well.

I like Alexa having coffee brought to her. Then her having to be calmed down by Nikki is kinda funny.

Rock Lesnar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There's no way it can be as good as these promos.

It can if Vince allows it time, or it could go like like Elias, look what getting himself over done for him, 24/7 title level now

Itssoeasy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Undertakers Promo was full on Ultimate Warrior bonkers

All I've seen was he said that Goldberg was next wasn't it ? I won't be watching but given that taker isn't the best in the ring mobility wise recently, it'll be up to the second coming of nick bockwinkel in bill Goldberg to be the in ring technician.

Itssoeasy

lawlolawl wrote: »

Charlotte and Lacey also apparently had one of the worst matches on TV in a long time and it ended in a DQ, so there's that.

Without having seen the match and given the people involved I'm going to assume that Lacey was the main reason for it being bad.

CastorTroy

Wonder if Becky was out there as a precaution and told to end the match if things were going south.

sky88

Honestly thought it was both of them they had no chemistry at all

J. Marston

Yeah, I wouldn't lay all the blame on Lacey at all. Charlotte seemed just as bad.

Meltzer's excuse is that they were told to go out and do a "worked shoot" style match. I find that very hard to believe.

lawlolawl

Charlotte is a bit crap to be honest.


She wrestles "gangly". She can take a bump and that's about it, all her offense looks really awkward. Never understood the hype behind her.

CastorTroy

Wait until she fights Jessamyn Duke. It'll be like 2 Daddy Long Legs fighting

lawlolawl

CastorTroy wrote: »

Wait until she fights Jessamyn Duke. It'll be like 2 Daddy Long Legs fighting

Duke and Shaffir and two utter duds and it is going to be hilarious to watch them being pushed far beyond their abilities.

Agent Coulson

Last weeks announcement of the new groundbreaking weekly live fan interactive interview segment The Electric Chair lasted all of one episode after they got Sami to AEW.

The Nal

lawlolawl wrote: »

Charlotte is a bit crap to be honest.


She wrestles "gangly". She can take a bump and that's about it, all her offense looks really awkward. Never understood the hype behind her.

gerrybbadd

Couple of things.

Firefly Funhouse - the best yet. I want a Wyatt Gym workout shirt.

Also, I want a Worlds Coolest Man™ Matthew McConaughty shirt also - that thing was awesome

Bounty Hunter

Is it just me or do we like the things we are not supposed to like?

Taker returns to build a once ever match vs Goldberg, HHH who only wrestles a couple of times a year has a segment with one of the biggest names from SD who is appearing thanks to the Wildcard rule and Brock Lesnar beats the Universal champion Seth Rollins to bits with chair, briefcase and more..............MEH!!

But Bray Wyatt does a skit with puppets and R-Truth does comedy nonsense with Drake Maverick and co......damn that entertaining!

For a long time I thought this was Vince

and he is but...
I guess it is simply that we have just been force fed the same formulaic stuff for so long that we are just well and truely past sick of it now and the fun different stuff (although we fear they will mess it up by going back to their standard practices) is such a breath of fresh air in comparison.