RAW Superthread

Deeper Blue

Jesus Lashley is poison on the mic, he can barely get the words out

PTH2009

Agent Coulson wrote: »

How many years have they being trying to get this Sin Cara gimmick over now and it always fails.

The first guy was really special and his style was a lot different to what was around at the time but sadly it all went pair shaped. Remember he even had a match at a live event here. 2011 or 2012 it was I think

Deeper Blue

PTH2009 wrote: »

The first guy was really special and his style was a lot different to what was around at the time but sadly it all went pair shaped. Remember he even had a match at a live event here. 2011 or 2012 it was I think

Didn't he botch his very first entrance? Can't believe the gimmick is still going in 2019, it's never even come close to being over

The Ayatolla

The first guy didn't speak English apparently?

Is it still Hunico under the mask?

PTH2009

Why is Orton concerned about this love triangle ****e

Agent Coulson

I wonder how many takes that took from Shania and Becky.

johnnyryan89

Humberto needs to lose the Power Rangers attire.

PTH2009

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Humberto needs to lose the Power Rangers attire.

Reckon he needs a voice til his english improves

He sounds so different than he looks

Why the hell would someone pay for that boxing

Agent Coulson

Heymans RAW feels like he is throwing as much sh1t against the wall hoping something will stick.

johnnyryan89

So the tag team champions are in another stupid match against jobbers again this week.

Agent Coulson

They are making the Raiders look like chumps.


Vince really hates tag teams.

Deeper Blue

The "Architect" nickname really annoys me. How is he an architect? What's he done to be called that?

sky88

NDWC wrote: »

The "Architect" nickname really annoys me. How is he an architect? What's he done to be called that?

Wasn’t it something like he said he built the shield when he initially turned heel

Itssoeasy

Wait so Asuka tapped out to natalya last night ? FFS that’s bull****.

sky88

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Wait so Asuka tapped out to natalya last night ? FFS that’s bull****.

such a typical lazy wwe trope to pin the tag champs to build new challengers

they had been booked so well so far as well since being champs

Loughc

NDWC wrote: »

The "Architect" nickname really annoys me. How is he an architect? What's he done to be called that?

He built a lovely little 4 bed house. I assume that’s how he got it :pac:

Agent Coulson

Loughc wrote: »

He built a lovely little 4 bed house. I assume that’s how he got it :pac:

Did he burn it down after?

PTH2009

That end brawl was a bit all over the place tbh

Omackeral

PTH2009 wrote: »

That end brawl was a bit all over the place tbh

They built up to Keith Lee doing that dive and they didn't even mention it, yet alone pop for it, on commentary. Was a mess.

Lord TSC

Whats fascinating to me is the difference between Raw and Smackdown this week.

Smackdown had the NXT "invasion", and with only a few hours to plan, they put together a super strong show.

Raw, on the other hand, had a few days to plan, and in the process, it got way over-produced and unimpressive.

Smackdown shows WWE is at their best when they don't have time to over-think themselves.

The White Wolf

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Wait so Asuka tapped out to natalya last night ? FFS that’s bull****.

Just as I was starting to dig the Kabuki Warriors. That is awful booking.

gerrybbadd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Seth is going to burn NXT down

Be cool if he joined them, he is after all the first ever NXT champion

UGH. Don't be that guy

PTH2009 wrote: »

The first guy was really special and his style was a lot different to what was around at the time but sadly it all went pair shaped. Remember he even had a match at a live event here. 2011 or 2012 it was I think

Special in that he was absolutely shíte, couldn't (wouldn't?) learn English, botched continually, cried off a dislocated finger earning a beat down from ADR, and wasn't really as good as he was billed to be? That what you mean? Or the fact that his replacement is ten times better than he was?

ERG89

Were the crowd badly mic'd or something??

Watching the highlights on YouTube & you'd hear more atmosphere at a wake. Makes no sense.

J. Marston

The Becky/Shayna segment was really well done.

CastorTroy

I think Nattie got that win off the back of her Saudi match. Doubles as a wee reward and also because her name's in the news.

It is still Hunico under the mask, going by that tattoo. I think Carolina needs more time at the PC. She seems very green. That cross body looked dangerous. Maybe she's still getting used to working under the mask.

The invasion fell pretty flat. They had Dunne, Ciampa, Riddle and Lee there and didn't use them outside the ending. And how dis it end after going off the air? Fight to the back or all just get up and walk away?

I've said before but Shayna is a great heel and is one of the ones who has impressed me the most since first seeing her in the MYC. Just wish she could teach Duke and Shafir all she learned

Itssoeasy

CastorTroy wrote: »

I think Nattie got that win off the back of her Saudi match. Doubles as a wee reward and also because her name's in the news.

It is still Hunico under the mask, going by that tattoo. I think Carolina needs more time at the PC. She seems very green. That cross body looked dangerous. Maybe she's still getting used to working under the mask.

The invasion fell pretty flat. They had Dunne, Ciampa, Riddle and Lee there and didn't use them outside the ending. And how dis it end after going off the air? Fight to the back or all just get up and walk away?

I've said before but Shayna is a great heel and is one of the ones who has impressed me the most since first seeing her in the MYC. Just wish she could teach Duke and Shafir all she learned

I mean if you have to give her a push but don't have her beat clean one of the best women's wrestlers you who went undefeated in nxt. That's the stupid part to me.

Yeah, duke and Shafir have been in the WWE PC for a while now and even in the recent on screen action they just don't seem to be getting it. At least from what I see they aren't getting it as fast as they should.

johnnyryan89

Omackeral wrote: »

They built up to Keith Lee doing that dive and they didn't even mention it, yet alone pop for it, on commentary. Was a mess.

Not only that but they wait too long building it up. Lee was in the ring for what felt like ages, only for Ricochet to take him out and do his spot, for Lee to then get up and then do his spot. Leading to that sudden ending which sucked.

It's mind blowing to see them put on a good show in such short notice when the lads couldn't make it back in time to then botching things when they had the weekend to plan things out.

Maybe the extra hour truly does make everything in that hour feel meh. When they announced that Cole Vs Bryan was up next on Smackdown I was shocked that the show had flown by so fast. But you could stack the last hour of Raw and half way through it I'm just thinking will this ever end.

PTH2009

Few good moments from the taping

They ****ed up Ricochet entrance

A face turn for a certain superstar out of nowhere really

It's what we expect with Lana and by god it was a ****e segment and I should of went and paid for over priced beer instead

Its was tag team galore something Teddy Long would be proud of

That NXT group is amazing

Officer999

PTH2009 wrote: »

Few good moments from the taping

They ****ed up Ricochet entrance

A face turn for a certain superstar out of nowhere really

It's what we expect with Lana and by god it was a ****e segment and I should of went and paid for over priced beer instead

Its was tag team galore something Teddy Long would be proud of

That NXT group is amazing

What happened with Ricochet’s entrance?

PTH2009

Officer999 wrote: »

What happened with Ricochet’s entrance?

From my view it looked like they overdone it on the fog

Itssoeasy

J. Marston wrote: »

The Becky/Shayna segment was really well done.

It was actually. The way it was filmed made it look great along with shayna and Becky more than holding their own on the mic.

Cotts72

PTH2009 wrote: »

Few good moments from the taping

They ****ed up Ricochet entrance

A face turn for a certain superstar out of nowhere really

It's what we expect with Lana and by god it was a ****e segment and I should of went and paid for over priced beer instead

Its was tag team galore something Teddy Long would be proud of

That NXT group is amazing

Who turned face?

JP Liz V1

PTH2009 wrote: »

Why is Orton concerned about this love triangle ****e

Lana should go off with Orton

PTH2009

Cotts72 wrote: »

Who turned face?

Mr RKO Randy Orton

It was quite confusing really and it came out of the blue.

A video segment showed The OC tauting Ricochet and Emberto and Styles says find and partner and orton just came in and accepted it. No explanation on way hes now a face but they seemed to tease he would turn in the match but never did

maybe they might have done another video that they didnt show in the arena

PTH2009

That video segment of the OC/ricochet was actually shown in the middle of the show in the arena would not be surprised if they moved the order of some of the matches

Other than the video segment its going in order of the way it was recorded

PTH2009

Nope they didnt show that Rowen video but he did come out with whatever he was talking too

PTH2009

So that lana segment must join the list of raws worst moments ???

Apparently Vince loves this storyline cause of the heel heat Lashley/Lana are getting

J. Marston

Love Walter's whole presence.

Hopefully he can be a successful main event European tough bastard unlike Cesaro and Rusev.

PTH2009

J. Marston wrote: »

Love Walter's whole presence.

Hopefully he can be a successful main event European tough bastard unlike Cesaro and Rusev.

He will prob end up being the new Vladimir Kozlov

sky88

walter has said hell never leave europe so i dont think hed have a chance to be ruined on the main roster

CastorTroy

Did you see yourself on Smackdown or Raw, PTH?

Could imagine kids asking their parents what Lana was talking about.

ThePott

Be very curious how much they messed with the crowd mics compared to what was televised.

As for Lana/Rusev, this is the embarassing stuff people talk about when you say you watch wrestling. I think Rusev and Lana are irreparably damaged by this drivel. Can't think of any possible ending that will be satisfying from a viewer perspective.

Didn't Rowan have a gimmick like this for a hot minute before the Bludgeon Brothers became a thing?

PTH2009

CastorTroy wrote: »

Did you see yourself on Smackdown or Raw, PTH?

Could imagine kids asking their parents what Lana was talking about.

nah i was too far up the back of the tiered seats but had a great view myself

counted about 5 segments which appeared on TV but were not shown in the arena. Fake crowd noise for them

One of the biggest crowd noises of the night went to the Fiend who attacked Styles and the OC when they were mocking the crowd in a dark segment after Orton and Co pissed off

Did u see Ricochets entrance deff overdone it on the smoke

ThePott

Heard Rollins was booed a lot more live and Imperium got a much bigger pop.

Seen a lot of people mention how they basically neutered Walter and Imperium by having them lose to some random team.

CastorTroy

There was a weird sounding cheer when Walter was talking.

2pacshakur

Raw thread is quite tonight.

Not the worst opening segment but don't think I'll last the three hours

Loughc

2pacshakur wrote: »

Raw thread is quite tonight.

Not the worst opening segment but don't think I'll last the three hours

I don't think anyone did....

ThePott

Felt like a redundant Raw. Not a final Raw before Survivor Series.
Happy they've at least finally remembered that Smackdown and Raw are meant to be feuding too not just NXT versus everyone.
They basically did the same segment with Seth and KO except there seemed to be even less of a point to it. Unless one of them is going to betray their team at Survivor Series.
The did a Lashley segment that involved a match and didn't further the story at all. Rusev didn't even get involved.
Half the people in the brawl at the end aren't even on the card. Triple H cut a very blaisé promo from backstage.
A lot of segments seemed really desperate to try get people to come back after the commercial.

Feels like a real wasted opportunity to not have the NXT title defended at the show too.

EDIT- Oh and the Aleister Black segment where we see that literally he is talking about a literal room and door that he's waiting for someone to knock on. Buddy Murpyh finally does and it takes him so long to answer that they don't have a match. Should be a good one when it does happen though.

CastorTroy

Black looked pretty stupid coming out after Murphy left.

2 matches cut short by invasions resulting in opponents teaming up to fight back. The last one I understand but Andrade basically turned face while Lucha House Party turned heel. Thought at first they were the only ones Fox would allow to appear.

One thing I do find funny apart from rivals joining forces (how will they coexist?) is how they apparently have to grab their brand's t-shirt before going for the rescue. Like you see them being interviewed backstage and they're not wearing Raw t-shirts.
The only ones who look right are the NXT guys as their shirts look normal.
So how come Ryder/Hawkins didn't get their title match but were able to run down at the end?
And how do those big invasions get resolved after the show goes off the air?

And the biggest offence of this episode is Billie left Peyton hanging!

J. Marston

Murphy/Tozawa was a great match. Buddy has serious strength, catching the suicide dive and turning it into a suplex was brilliant.

Also, Lana is poison. I don't see her worth at all in WWE.