RAW Superthread

PTH2009

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Two contract signings tonight

They will go ahead without any issues anyway

PTH2009

Ziggler with his heavy words

He is not winning this title

Jesus 'extreme rules horror show' what a stupid name

JP Liz V1

Truth champ again, how many times now

PTH2009

Is it a Mexican tradition to break into spanish all of a sudden when you're talking ?

Lithium93_

Gotta feel sorry for Ruby Riott, she's on an 0-11 losing streak.

She really is being wasted.

CastorTroy

Everyone to get in trouble for not pronouncing the "The" part of the PPV?
Like why do they have to emphasise it every time?
Imagine if they did that for Backlash: "This Sunday at Backlash The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever I'll make you pay! So see you at Backlash The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever"

Finally they admit it's Richard O'Shea.

J. Marston

When did Peyton Royce get such a class finisher combo?

https://i.imgur.com/lb3LVdS.mp4

Cotts72

I see nothing interesting about Ruby Riot.

Haven't seen Raw but I'd imagine ricochet got demolished by the 2nd coming of Bobby Lashley, here's hoping he goes to AEW and actually get used properly

Blue_Dabadee

I am reaching to the point where I forget to check out clips on YouTube each week now.

There aren't many great storylines or characters in WWE product right now.

I think feud between Orton and Edge has really made the rest of the roster look bland in compassion.

Agent Coulson

Reports that Covid released

Heath Slater

due to appear on the show tonight.

Pentecost

J. Marston wrote: »

When did Peyton Royce get such a class finisher combo?

https://i.imgur.com/lb3LVdS.mp4

That does look class but it was helped by Ruby taking it well. I can't picture, say, Dana Brooke or someone like that making it look as good.

Itssoeasy

Pentecost wrote: »

That does look class but it was helped by Ruby taking it well. I can't picture, say, Dana Brooke or someone like that making it look as good.

Yeah while peyton did well ruby made it look a million bucks. I've said it before but WWE don't know how lucky they are to have someone as good in the ring as ruby on their roster, and is clearly a good human being in general. If only they'd realise that. Nope Dana Brooke wouldn't have taken it as well.

PTH2009

Enter Heath Slater who was 'fired'

JP Liz V1

Heath Vs. Drew is making the Dolph feud very interesting now, will Jinder show up 3MB

PTH2009

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Heath Vs. Drew is making the Dolph feud very interesting now, will Jinder show up 3MB

Bring hornswoggle back too

PTH2009

eye for an eye match

I'm guessing it could be another cinematic match

JP Liz V1

I was expecting a blind fold match

seandotcomm

Woulda preferred the classic leg for an arm and an arm for a leg match

CastorTroy

Extreme Rules -> Extreme Rules: The Horror Show -> The Horror Show at Extreme Rules.

If I was Dolph, my stipulation would be something along the lines of Drew must have both feet tied together or if the champion or challenger wins, then the title changes hands.

Dunno what to think of the new US title. Looked cheap at times.
Have to admit, fair play to MVP for making the most of this new opportunity after returning at the Rumble. Thought it was just a 1 or 2 night thing but he's doing well for himself.

Was funny seeing Peyton trying not to laugh when Billie screeched "Really?" when Ruby commented on their voices.
Wonder if it was intentional that Peyton mentioned Ruby's ugly tattoos before bringing her arm up and showing her tattoo.

So much for Owens staying away.

I look forward to seeing someone having their eye pulled out, though seems they grow back anyway since Rey apparently had his eye punctured and is pretty much grand now.

J. Marston

Why does NXTUK get those gorgeous, prestigious looking titles and the main shows get ugly cartoon-ish belts?

PTH2009

I wonder did they sign back Slater and have him go on another one of those 'fight for your contract' stuff ??

Didn't they do that with him a while back

JP Liz V1

They should keep Heath or is he done again with WWE

J. Marston

Kairi has gotten better with the flute/recorder.

CastorTroy

Was trying to see if she had a scar or anything, but her hair seemed stuck in place

Lord TSC

PTH2009 wrote: »

I wonder did they sign back Slater and have him go on another one of those 'fight for your contract' stuff ??

Didn't they do that with him a while back

Yeah. At the draft, Drew went undrafted, and they ran the story that no one wanted him. So him and Rhino got entered into the tournement for the SD tag titles, they won, and in the process, he won a contract.

Heath is someone who when they announced he was released, my immediate thought was "he'll be back the very second live shows start up again". Maybe since that will be a while longer, they've brought him back now. But he seems ultra well liked, willing to be the job guy, yet stays over with the crowd. He's Mr. Live Events, and I'd be shocked if he's still "unemployed" by Xmas.

PTH2009

https://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2020-07-13

stacked raw tonight
Bayley/Sasha vs Kabuki Warriors for the womens titles
R Truth vs Randy Orton
Viking Warriors vs Zelinas guys
KO vs Seth Rollins

CastorTroy

I guess the 24/7 title which is supposed to be defended 24/7 won't be on the line

Ridley

CastorTroy wrote: »

I guess the 24/7 title which is supposed to be defended 24/7 won't be on the line

Orton insisted on it not being a championship match.

PTH2009

tag team divisions on both Raw and SD a bit stale atm

But have to love cute Ivar

PTH2009

is Joe injured or creative have nothing for him to do

Itssoeasy

PTH2009 wrote: »

is Joe injured or creative have nothing for him to do

He initially was injured which is why he first went and did commentary(which he’s excellent at) and now I don’t know exactly.

CastorTroy

Who would've thought Angel Garza would be jealous of Ivar?

Proof again that WWE are clearly reading boards. I just mention about them not using Bianca and Shayna and who shows up this week?

PTH2009

when we getting another Big Show turn

CastorTroy

I'd say he's face until after this Sunday anyway.
Looked like Randy was set to turn on Ric though with the look he gave when he told Ric to go ahead and he'd be right behind.

J. Marston

Historically low ratings for Raw. First hour was their lowest rating ever and got worse from there.

No surprise, the shows are dirt. I barely ever watch the opening anymore. Just check Reddit clips the following morning.

sky88

J. Marston wrote: »

Historically low ratings for Raw. First hour was their lowest rating ever and got worse from there.

No surprise, the shows are dirt. I don't even watch the opening anymore. Just check Reddit clips the following morning.

But what about the demos as if we’re to believe Wednesday night talk that’s the most important

But on a serious note I don’t even check the clips of raw Or smackdown anymore just cant be bothered with nxt and aew I’m clinging onto

Lithium93_

Think it's bad now? Just wait until the other American sports return. Both companies will have to get their acts together to keep eyeballs on their product. Pro-Wrestling is just a small fish in a big pond compared to the NFL, MLB, NHL.

sky88

I honestly think by end of the year there won’t be a show over a million viewers

Lithium93_

sky88 wrote: »

I honestly think by end of the year there won’t be a show over a million viewers

Can't see it, factor in too it's an Election year in America as well, they'll be doing well to sustain what they already have.

Agent Coulson

The majority of the WWE's audience on all 3 shows is the over 50's.

Not really who you would think they would be aiming at especially when on USA and FOX who would want 18 to 35 audience for the advertising.

PTH2009

Big Show and Flair will pull in the viewers no doubt

Really interesting to see the crowds when they return to the road. People might go for the novelty and boredom. Tbh god knows when it will happen. Royal Rumble 2021 maybe

Loughc

sky88 wrote: »

I honestly think by end of the year there won’t be a show over a million viewers

I honestly think by the end of the year there won’t be a show.

sky88

Loughc wrote: »

I honestly think by the end of the year there won’t be a show.

Wrestling industry in America is in serious trouble

I know a lot of people like to think It’s just wwe but it’s all companies big or Indy

OneEightSeven

That rating was lower than Christmas 2018, which is lower than anything in 1996 when they were up against Nitro, but they're still top 6 on a Monday.

Lithium93_

sky88 wrote: »

Wrestling industry in America is in serious trouble

I know a lot of people like to think It’s just wwe but it’s all companies big or Indy

I wouldn't say the industry is in trouble, it'll have it's high and lows like any other part of the entertainment industry, but maybe as far as it's perception in the States, it's at the kids & teenagers table, while the likes of NFL, Major League Baseball, MLS, NHL and Nascar are at the grown ups table.

sky88

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I wouldn't say the industry is in trouble, it'll have it's high and lows like any other part of the entertainment industry, but maybe as far as it's perception in the States, it's at the kids & teenagers table, while the likes of NFL, Major League Baseball, MLS, NHL and Nascar are at the grown ups table.

its a niche product for sure will never get to the grown up table but why i think its in trouble is its most loyal fans are starting to turn away and while covid is certainly not helping with no crowds but who knows if they return

CastorTroy

Are the NFL and all being played behind closed doors as well?

The White Feather

This weeks Raw was really bad in particular.

I had completely forgot about the charisma vacuum Shayna Baszler. She is like a male bob backlund. Only just realised Charlotte is gone too. Thats how boring I find them. Since Becky has gone the womens division is very boring. There is no one worth watching at the min.

How that womens match ended the show I will never know. But before that they had Richocet v Lashley. So the men are in a bad place too.

There was nothing at all in the show that would make you want to talk about it.

People complained about the Smackdown angle with Sheamus/Hardy. But thats what both shows need. They need "antics" That angle has 1.3 m views on youtube.

I think WWE has fallen into the trap of online people like Meltzer who rate every match with stars like it was a UFC event. They keep trying to do shows like they are contests. Here is one guy. Here is the other. Now they do a match. That guy just barely won after a great move. This only appeals to a small amount of people.

People like me want good guys, bad guys and some kind of beef between them. Run ins seem to be gone as well as cheating by the bad guys. Thats virtually gone now. NXT is just full of matches. There doesn't seem to be any storylines at all. I havent watched AEW at all as its not on TV here so I don't know about that.

Until WWE goes back to storylines the ratings will always be low.

Lithium93_

Asuka and Kairi are the only one's worth a damn on the RAW Women's Roster.

CastorTroy

So I decided Ziggler's stipulation for his match should be the first ever "Scots lay down" match. Where all Scottish participants must let their opponent pin them for a count of 3.